Hey, I finally found this. When I had my
old username I made a post that said if
anyone would like to read this to contact
me. Then there was a post a while back
asking if anyone had it, but I could not
find it. Well, here it is. Keep in
mind I am prochoice, but this makes me
sick. Give me your feedback. And
remember, I did not write this!
Upon looking at the abortion debate there
are valid solutions to the
problem. Although the choice of abortion
is not a problem it should
be realized that right-wing forces lead by
the bush administration
are curbing women's freedoms one by one.
In this way the bush
administration is deceiving in its
intentions. If bush could he
would ban every abortion procedure.
Thankfully we have organizations
like now as well as democratic minority
leader nancy pelosi. All of
the democratic candidates are also behind
the pro-choice movement.
It is important to keep women's rights but
why stop there? The only
way to keep us safe from intrusions from
religious fanatic is to
eliminate the problem. We need to
convince the american people that
our way is the right way.
The problem with abortion is that is
doesn't solve the problem.
Single moms are increasing more than
before in poverty stricken
areas. These single moms are being denied
services and opportunities
by the overly capitalistic bush
administration. We also have poor
families throughout the country that have
large families and are
unable to provide for them. While
government programs would be able
to solve many of these inequities the fact
remains that the american
people are becoming more conservative and
are caring less and less
for the plights of the poor. The abortion
industry is not providing
the potential it can. Let me illustrate
the inefficiencies.
Many people in this country are denied
health care that would be
provided by stem cell research. We need
to expand this research in
other countries in order to counter bush
but it is also important to
oust bush so as to continue this
procedure. In the future I realize
a collective of stem cells that will be
able to provide for every
that needs them. Because science is not
fully development it would
be good for society as a whole to have
women volunteer to give up
their embryos. Proper incentive can be
reached by tax incentives or
by access to government programs
previously denied to them such as
workers comp. Or day care. In this way a
massive amount of stem cell
research will be able to solve many of the
health problems.
Fetus material can be used by scientists
for experimentation.
Medical students will have the ability to
study more of these
specimens more closely. The fetuses can
be used to go after disease
and it may be possible to provide a link
between abortion and breast
cancer. If this link exists we could use
the data to solve the
problem and save the lives of countless
women. If such a link does
not exist we can prove once and for all
that the religious fanatic
were wrong about any such link. We can
sell fetal organs for
children who are already living. The
organ transplants can be used
to help countless children in need. The
selling of organs can keep
clinics open who are in low demand areas
of the us such as the south
and midwest. There is a serious lack of
clinics in those areas which
i believe is because the government
refuses to subsidize them even
though the government spends billions on
airlines and other
corporations like enron. The europeans
will be great full for our
market of organs and will of course open
themselves up to organ
trading. Tariffs for this procedure in
exchanging fetus material
would be free open trade. In this way we
can encourage other
countries in the third world to solve some
of their economic woes.
In this way we can ensure the abortion
industry by allowing the
government to tax these exchanges of
materials. The government very
rarely banns a market that can be taxed.
In order to compete with
russia we will have to increase abortion
supply to another million.
Another thing the government is not
looking into is the idea of using
fetal tissue as a type of fuel. After all
oil and coal is a product
of dead plants and animals from many eons
ago. While I must admit
that such a way of energy production could
cause pollution in high
amounts creating smog how can we justify
the lack of energy resources
in the third world. People die in russia
because they do not have
the proper energy resources. The local
abortion clinic could be the
key to every russian town in siberia. We
need to look into
alternative energy sources and this is the
largest source available.
Burning organic matter for a fuel could be
a new way to keep energy
sources continual in the third world and
elsewhere.
We need to refund the clinics in africa
and here is the reasoning for
it. If the clinics take care of the
abortions african women have we
could solve the aids problem within the
children'' population. No
longer would we have to fund unneeded
orphanages and expend huge sums
of money on children's health. Instead
the money would be used to
get cheap drugs, supply medicine to the
existing children, and of
course find a cure. That is why it is
essential to refund the
abortion clinics in africa, which bush
rudely defunded a year ago.
The aids infected fetuses could be used
for science purposes into
coming up with a cure. If we do not find
a cure soon many tens of
millions of people will die.
We have no addressed world hunger either.
It is true that world
hunger in the poorest country is a
tragedy. In order to relieve the
stress on the governments of these nations
in feeding these people i
suggest we supply them with fetus
materials. We would then be able
to feed people who would in another case
die of terrible starvation.
Until we can find another remedy for these
people this idea should be
considered. Let it not be forgotten that
in many historical
incidents people have eaten human flesh of
their dead comrades to
survive. Although distasteful this could
help many people. It is a
pure waste I say to just send a fetus into
the trash when there are
many uses for it within the worlds of
science, education, and in
solving world hunger. In this way I am
sure that you will agree. We
cannot allow ourselves to act like the
religious fanatics and deny
people around the world a source of energy
and food. Let me suggest
it would be almost criminal for us to not
share the wealth we have as
americans. If you disagree with my ideas
or methods than you should
take a hard look at the starving people in
africa. As pro choice
america we need to defeat bush but not
just that. We need to send
our side to a high moral platform than
what the religious rights
propose. They are ignorant fools and we
all know it don't we? Once
we become dominate again in the house and
presidency we can send this
plan into action, but as of now we are
stuck. Women need to not let
their rights float out the window.
Vote democratic
vote pro choice
thank you.
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
Just As Well You Disowned This!! Posted: 07-14-04 07:14am
That is appalling - did whoever wrote it -
well were they in any sense serious??
I am glad that you disowned it & so on
but equally I think that if the author was
serious we need to know the sort of insane
people who are out there.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-14-04 09:49am
I got it off of a yahoo abortion group.
I had to join to be able to read them. I
read this one (first one) copied it and
quit the group. I am prochoice, but that
is freakin disgusting.
And the sad part is that I am pretty sure
this person is serious. There are some
very, very sick people out there and they
think they are smart!Haha.
Heck no, I did not write that crap! It
gives me chills just thinking about coming
up with something like thatl
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Scary Posted: 07-14-04 10:24am
Wow,what really concerns me is that these
people really believe this stuff!At first
you think that this group has the right
idea,but read a little more and it sounds
like "soylent green"!!(anyone old enough
to remember that one??)insane!!
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JanetBee
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 332
Posted: 07-14-04 12:07pm
It reads to me like a very clever
anti-abortionist writing this, designed to
be used against anyone who is pro-choice,
by taking an extreme viewpoint, its as
thought its a satire if you see what I
mean, because it really doesn't make a lot
of sense, I mean, the idea that there
would be enough embryos to burn for fuel
is just nonsense, so if you read it
carefully it is like a parody.
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Sinsaint
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 90
Posted: 07-14-04 15:51pm
I hope you guys realize this letter is a
joke. N.A.R.A.L doesn't support this and
neither do the democrats. It's funny in
a way but come on. Tax breaks for fetal
donation? Workman's comp? We will have
to up abortions by 1 million (everyone
knows that's not true, pro-choice want
abortion to always be a woman's right but
more than anything we too want to reduce
abortions by educating people about birth
control). I could go through the entire
letter but i'm certain if you read it, you
will see where all the 'jokes' are
supposed to be.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 07-15-04 02:05am
I hope to god it is a joke. But like I
said I got it off of a prochioce "group"
on yahoo. It wasn't a debate or
anything. It was just those people's
opinions.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 07-15-04 21:03pm
It sure does not sound like they are too
happy with someone that used to be on this
forum(catlick) either! It sure is
strange that she would not say where this
came from. Maybe we should join that
forum for a while as it seems like samie
and a few others have chased others away
from here. I don't think that I would
come on the abortion forum here if I had
to listen to samie's stuff either, even
though she is gone! I think someone
might be correct about samie and catlick
being the same person. I feel this
letter is a joke also as the real
pro-choice people do not feel this way!
Maybe someone got bitter about being
kicked-off this forum.
Sincerely
sandy
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
Posted: 07-15-04 21:36pm
Yes, I am one who got tired of samie's
bigotry & total oblivion to both the
views of others & to the right of
others to actually dare to hold views that
were in any way different to that of "god"
samie!!
but I do believe that debate & sharing
of different views & ideas &
information is healthy & helpful to
everyone. So long as we also have respect
for the rights of others to have &
express different views (obviously so long
sa they are expressed with respect for
others & so long as the views are
reasonable - not sure who decides what
"reasonable" is but I hope you all
understand what I mean!!)
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 07-15-04 22:03pm
I agree with you purple333, I feel the
same way, sometimes I am a little more
blunt than others, or say things
differently and some people take it
differently, I work five and a half days a
week, sometimes 10 hours a day trying to
help people and it generally does not stop
there and I realize you cannot help
everyone as this is something I enjoy.
Purple333 you are good at this, you sound
like you have gone through a lot you
should get licensed(i am not being
sarcastic). You have a good way with
words, you sound like you have a lot of
experience just like myself!
Sincerely
sandy
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purple333
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 1420 Location: Sydney
Posted: 07-15-04 22:59pm
Thanks sandy your kind words are much
appreciated & happen to come at a time
when I really need them. Yes I have gone
& am going through alot. I do feel
though that that is a large part of why I
can be of help to others. I wouldn't know
how to "get licensed - for that matter i'm
not sure that's what happens here?? -
maybe I should look into it - I do need
something positive in my life - anything
positive would be a start. Sorry having a
rotten day!! So again thanks.
So many people who give advice just don't
know enough about the real world ( for
those here that give good advice &
perhaps feel i'm saying they don't please
don't misunderstand some peole can give
advice without necessarily having alot of
world experience - experience comes in
many forms & ways - just as having it
doesn't automatically make a person able
to give advice - samie being a great
example of this!!)
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