Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 5 Location: Baltimore Maryland
Cardio With Weight Training Posted: 08-24-04 08:49am
I lift seriously approximately 5-6 times
per week, different muscle groups etc. I
know that I burn calories when I lift, and
I do get cardiovascular benefits from my
occasional dog walking, etc. But I know I
should be doing more and don't mind it.
Right now I play tennis 1 time a week for
an hour, and do the elyptical machine 2
times a week for 10-20 minutes depending
on my energy after my lift. What is a
good cardio goal for say, using an
elyptical machine. I lift at gold's gym
if that makes a difference.
If someone can be as specific as "keep
your target heart rate at this level for
this amount of time this many times per
week" that would be helpful.
My goals right now are trimming fat. I
eat extremely healthy all day...I have
only gotten back into lift this month
after a 2 year respite, so I let myself go
a bit. That's why i'm cutting the fat.
Geoff
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eric16
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 134
Posted: 08-24-04 22:41pm
Losing fat is called a cutting pahse
getting muscle is called bulking
with that said you need to gain some
muscle and go into a bulking phase before
you cut, so when you do cut fat it will
show muscle.
Sounds like you are overtraining too. You
wont see anything if you dont let muscles
rest. What is your workout consist of?
What are your stats? Do you want to gain
muscle, if so how much? What does your
diet look like? Your not giving enough
information for any answers. In order to
get any information that you are lookng
for you have to give a backround and
answer all those questions.
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geoff437
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 5 Location: Baltimore Maryland
Thanks For the Response! Posted: 08-25-04 07:44am
Basically, i'm in the gym everyday for a
different muscle group - I usually (right
now because my heal time is relatively
slow) don't lift the same muscle twice in
1 week, nor would I ever lift it while
sore. For example, monday, my chest day,
I do 3-4 sets of flat dumbell press -
recently progressing at 55 - 70 - 80 -90
(work to failure). I do flys with a pec
deck, incline press. So all in all, i'm
usually doing about 12 sets for my chest,
and other muscle groups are similar. My
days include chest, tris, back, bis,
shoulders and forearms, and legs. I might
put two muscle groups into one day if I
workout on sunday, in case I miss a day.
I normally do 20 minutes of cardio on my
lighter days, (ie: triceps, biceps, and
shoulders).
My diet is wierd. I am constantly label
watching, protein hunting, etc. In the
mornings, i'll usually have dannon fruit
on the bottom yogurt, possibly a low sugar
cereal bar, and a banana and a small glass
of oj. For lunch, I go to subway and get
a footlong sub on wheat with chicken
breast, green peppers, onions, tomatoes,
cucumbers, and a little honey mustard. In
the afternoon, i'll eat some utz fat-free
pretzels and a banana, and for dinner, it
varies but I usually have chicken or fish
- sometimes beef, but that's not often. I
drink a good amount of skim milk - usually
for dinner. Sometimes I treat myself to a
slice or two of pizza on the weekends :d
i have lost about 15 pounds in a month by
switching to this lifestyle, and I enjoy
it. However, i'm always interested to
hear different opinions on improvement,
etc.
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eric16
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 134
Posted: 08-25-04 20:49pm
You are overtraining your muscles. Cut
down to a 5 day split. You dont need to
have bis and tris for there own day.
Youll overwork them. Have a split like:
monday- chest
tuesday-back
wendesday-off
thursday-arms (biceps, triceps, forearms)
friday- legs
saturday- shoulders
sunday- off
this is much more effective and will not
overtrain your body to a point where
working out does harm.
Now the reps you are doing is a bad
pyramid. A pyramid is where you
progressivly go up in weight and down in
reps. What you are dong now is too much.
Make sure when you up your weight you
lower your reps. A typical pyramid is 12,
10, 8, 6. For example
12 reps- act as a warm up to get you
going
10 reps- stat getting into it, you could
do 12-14 if you wanted
8 reps- you could do 9 or 10 if you pushed
yourself
6 reps- your 6th rep should be to failure
only go to failure on your 6th rep.
You should have about 4-5 excercises for
large muscle like chest, back, legs
shoulders. Do about 4 for tricpes, and 3
for biceps and forearms.
As for your goals. It sounds like to me
you want to lose weight and get some
muscle or get cut. If this is true then
you cant build muscle and loose weight at
the same time. In order to gain muscle
you need to bulk. Which is eat a lot, and
lift like the split above. You will gain
fat with muscle but the main point is to
get some muscle, so then you can do what
is called cutting. Cutting is mainly
dieting off the fat you gained while
bulking. This way when you cut your fat
you have muscle that will show.
This goes into your diet. You need to
start eating. Thats what it comes down
to. You need to bulk, get some muscle so
you need to just eat. Eat healthy,
protien, carbs, veggies, but a lot. Then
when you gain muscle you can go on your
diet and cut the fat you gained so you
have muscle to show when you lose the fat.
It sounds like your diet is good, so make
sure you know that when you gain some
muscle and bulk.
As any questions if your not sure of
anything.
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geoff437
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 5 Location: Baltimore Maryland
Thank You! Posted: 08-26-04 07:38am
That was really great advice - I
appreciate the time you put into your
response. A couple of questions though:
1. I am trying to lose fat now. Is it
not possible to cut now and bulk after?
Why do suggest the other way around?
2. Is doing a back/bis/forearms,
chest/tris, shoulders, and legs as
effective as the workout you suggest?
Thanks again!
Geoff
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eric16
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 134
Posted: 08-28-04 13:10pm
Bulking would be better to do now rather
then cutting so then you can gain muscle
so when you do cut you have muscle
defintion that shows. If you cut now you
will want to have bulked before because
you will just look skinny, and not fit.
You wont have muscle defintion to show if
you cut now. Bulk up gain some muscle,
then you can cut so you have some muscle
that will show. Youll regret it if you
cut now, cause youll want to end up
bulking when you see yourself.
Is this what you were saying on the
workout you posted.
Back/bis/forearms
chest/tris
shoulders
legs
so its in 4 days?
If you want a 4 day split then you are
pretty close. I would recomend this
back/bis
chest/tris
shoulders/forearms
legs
a 4 day split will give you the same
results as a 5 day split. The main thing
is what type of excercises you are dong
and your diet so you dont overwork your
muscles. It would be best to give a days
rest inbetween each day. Its ok if you
dont, but that would be better.
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Justin_Toronto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
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Posted: 01-29-05 18:52pm
Your goal is to "trim fat" as you said.
There is no need to bulk first... It is
unnecessary for your specific goal.
Although others would cycle bulking /
cutting throughout the year (i.E.
Bodybuilders). For you, you just want to
lean out and bring your definition
through, possibly firm up a bit. In
which case, you're doing the right
thing.
Your current workout split is fine. Keep
your biceps and triceps on separate days
for proper muscle growth as they're
antagonist muscles. If you ever do want
to superset or combine muscle groups use a
primary and secondary muscle. (i.E.
Chest & triceps). Triceps is called
a stabalizer muscle in chest exercises.
So do your chest first, triceps after.
But as I said, your current workout split
looks good. You're doing 4 sets
including warmup, 3 different exercises
per muscle group. This is definately not
over training. You might want to do your
forearms on your bicep days instead
though.
The only things I would recommend is to
eat more meals throughout the day.
Everytime you eat a meal your metabolism
increases. When you're on an empty
stomach your body goes into reserve mode
and shuts down. This does not mean to
eat more. Eat the same amount as you
currently are, just break it up throughout
the day.
You've lost 15lb with your current
regimen. Obviously you're doing
something right. If it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
P.S. If you tell me your age, height, and
bodyfat, I will calculate your target
heart rate for optimal fat loss.