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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:04pm

Who studies philosophy, I thought I would try and be cool and take up an extra class to keeo my mind busy while chris was away. Well my head is about to explode trying my hrdest to get it round all this god stuff lol thought I would let you all read my first essay it isnt very long, but here goes. It's a load of crap!

To what extent does descartes defeat the sceptic

rene descartes’ aim was to defeat the sceptic and find something that could be known with certainty. This could form the basis of knowledge. He used the method of doubt that argued that the senses sometimes deceive us. Having concluded that he would have to be mad to consider that his senses can mislead him completely, he tries to see if it is possible that he is currently dreaming. In dreams the senses can give us the same information as in real life. He concludes that his dreams contain objects, which have too much detail that must come from things that are real. Also mathematical truths exist independently from our minds e.G. 4 + 4 = 8. Logic tells us this is true. But descartes points out; perhaps there is an evil genius that is deceiving us about everything we know, even our own existence!


With this descartes arrives at his second method with an argument called “the cogito”. From the statement cogito ergo sum, I think, therefore I am. This is a necessary truth and is impossible to be false! Descartes argues that, even if he is being deceived, it must be true that he exists in order for this to happen. Although there is no greater power than god, he cannot be the evil genius.


Descartes gives two arguments of god’s existence the causal and ontological. The causal being, we start with an idea of god. Nothing is greater than god, so the lesser could not give rise to the greater meaning, the idea of god must be caused by something equal to god. That is god! The ontological argument: we have an idea of god and he is perfect! Something can exist only in the mind or both in the mind and reality. It is less perfect to exist only in the mind. But god is perfect. Therefore god exists in reality.


Although the cogito could be seen as strength, for it being a clear and distinct idea. The sceptics would argue that the existence of god is presupposed. It is questionable that he is perfect at all for in different societies god means and symbolises different things.

I know we all love a good arguement to get stuck in ladies
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smith8500

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:11pm

Um did I get this right. He does believe there is a god. If so..... Good job! I love it! Kinda confusing but good
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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:22pm

Yeah he belived in god big time, but the sceptics wanted him to prove his existance. So he came up with a tongue twister.



Here we go-

-we have an idea of god

-no mere mortal could come up with the idea of god! Only something with great power could do that

-the idea of god must be caused by something equal to god

-so that is god!!



Or..............



-we have an idea of god

-he is a perfect being (even if u dont belive in him, it's hard to say he wouldnt be)

-something can exist only in your mind- like a unicorn.


But something can also exist in you mind and in reality, like a lil baby in the tummy, you cant see it but u know it's there!!



-it is less perfect to exist only in the mind

-but god is perfect

therefore god exists in reality

howz that


Last edited by sweetsuzi on 10-11-04 17:24pm; edited 1 time in total
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IDABABY

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:23pm

Sounds good to me Smile
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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:26pm

Hee hee it's my new pub chat!! I was winding the barman up with it lol was sooo funny
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smith8500

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:35pm

Oooo I like!
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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:37pm

Did that make it easier to understand!
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smith8500

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Hey
Posted: 10-11-04 17:38pm

For sure!
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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-11-04 17:42pm

Well as long as i've cleared all that up for u im off to my bed. I will carry this chat on tomorrow night if anyones wishes too!!
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linuxChique

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Posted: 10-11-04 22:13pm

sweetsuzi wrote:
-but god is perfect


that is assuming we are actually _correct_ about .God being perfect. If we are incorrect, his hypothesis doesn't prove anything.
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Kia

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Posted: 10-12-04 04:18am

Sorry, can't agree but i'm not going there, can't be arsed with the debate and aggro.
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sweetsuzi

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Posted: 10-12-04 16:10pm

Erin ya got it in one, yer a clever chick!!

Kia this isnt my opinion, im not religous whatsoever, this is my pub talk. But it's pretty good all the same
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