Whether I believe in abortion or
not........And I am a woman...I still
think that the male involved with the
conception of the pregnancy should have a
say in whether or not the pregnancy is
carried out....If a woman wants to carry
the pregnancy to term, the man should have
no say...She wants to protect her
child...If the woman does not want to
carry the pregnancy to term...The man
should have a say...He wants to protect
his child. He is half of that "fetus,
child, baby, thing" and should at least
have a little bit of say in it. It's
not fair that if the woman purposely gets
pregnant she can keep the child and then
sue the father for child support for 18
years for a child he doesn't want, but she
can abort a child they both made without
his say, even if he wants to be a daddy.
A man who creates a child and then chooses
he doesn't want it...Won't pay for
it...And doesn't take his parental
responsibilites: dead beat dad
a women who creates a child and then
chooses she doesn't want it...Won't pay
for it...And doesn't take her parental
responsibilites: pro-choice
i am not saying these are the only people
who are pro-choice and have
abortions...Every person has their own
story... I'm just trying to make a point
about fathers and their rights.
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Daile
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 319 Location: Missouri
Posted: 10-16-04 02:35am
I totally agree with you, heather. I
think the father should have a say in the
matter. And actually, in some states I
think they do. Generally law & order
is good about basing their shows on real
laws, and they had an episode where a man
took his wife to court to force her to
carry the baby, because he wanted to keep
it. They were in new york. I don't know
if it works that way in other states or
not. I do knw that in most states there
are laws to protect unborn children, so
that if a pregnant woman were to go get
totally wasted and fall down in the middle
of a busy highway, she could be taken to a
treatment facility, and a court could
order her to get help.
Daile
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JanetBee
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 332
Posted: 10-16-04 09:07am
So the rapist gets a say?
A guy who gets a girl drunk, has sex with
her without a condom -- he gets a say?
What planet do you girls live on?
Personally I think that before two people
have sex they should set out in writing
and sign it what would happen if the woman
got pregnant. There is a big problem of
woman "oopsing" men, and then expecting
them either to marry them become their
walking-wallet, or just support the baby
they really didn't believe was going to
happen. So if she says that if she gets
pregnant, she would have an abortion, he
needs to be okay with that. And if she
says she would, and then doesn't, then he
shouldn't have to accept any
responsibility. Or she could say she
wouldn't have an abortion, but would not
demand any support from him. Or the
contract could say that she wouldn't have
an abortion, but he has to accept parental
responsibility. That way everyone would
be clear before the accidents happen.
But if there is serious risk of handicap
or deformity in the fetus, I don't think
you can force a woman to carry the
pregnancy if she doesn't want to, no
matter what she said before.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 10-16-04 09:35am
So you want to invite the government back
into the bedroom do you?
Why cant you see the law of nature
determins that very contract between man
and woman. If they both consent to sex
then they both consent to the possiblity
of a resulting pregnancy.
When pregnancy does occur then there are
three human beings (handicapped) or not to
consider, that is why understanding that a
possible pregnancy could result from sex
is important before engaging in the act of
intercourse. It is irrisponsible not to!
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Heathergirl
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Michigan
Posted: 10-16-04 13:29pm
janetbee
wrote:
so the rapist gets a say?
A guy who gets a girl drunk, has sex with
her without a condom -- he gets a say?
What planet do you girls live on?
.
of course we wouldn't suggest that anyone
who raped or decieved a girl to get the
pregnant would have a say...Not only is
that the last thing we were saying...It is
not fair for you to munipulate our
words....The one percent of abortions
resulting from rape are minute...And of
course there would be laws regarding what
would happen in this situation......We are
not women haters...And we have hearts...We
don't want this to turn into a man eat
woman kinda world...As many have
suggested....
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 10-16-04 17:51pm
Well said heathegirl, I commend you for
your honesty regarding the unborn I am
pleased to see that there are still women
willing to profess the truth about the
humanity of the unborn (even though 75% of
the prol ife movement are female) you are
a credit to yourself and womankind.
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Heathergirl
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Michigan
Posted: 10-17-04 11:31am
Thank you izzy....That means a lot...
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 10-17-04 11:31am
izzy
wrote:
why cant you see the law of
nature determins that very contract
between man and woman. If they both
consent to sex then they both consent to
the possiblity of a resulting pregnancy.
When pregnancy does occur then there are
three human beings (handicapped) or not to
consider, that is why understanding that a
possible pregnancy could result from sex
is important before engaging in the act of
intercourse. It is irrisponsible not
to!
i agree -- I think it is important to
inform someone that if you get pregnant
you will (or might) have an abortion, so
that they know what they are agreeing to,
or also that if you do accidentally get
pregnant that you would not have an
abortion, and they would be 50%
responsible for the resulting child. If
they then don't want to have sex with you,
fine.
The idea of a contract is great, if more
teenagers had this discussion beforehand,
I think it would stop a lot of unwanted
pregnancies. Wouldn't it be wonderful if
you needed a license to have sex, had to
pass a test that says you know what the
consequences are? I mean, you need one to
drive a car or to get married. If only it
was enforcable!
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 10-17-04 14:24pm
Marrige is the licence to have sex
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 10-17-04 21:14pm
I happen to know people that are married
who do not have sex!Marriage is also about
the closeness of being with someone long
term,not just sex!Being married is not all
about the physical pleasures that can come
from deep and commited love,it does
help,but it's not everything.Sex will not
solve problems or pay the bills.If you
believe that marriage is only a liscense
for sex,that is a shame.You may miss out
on one of life's greatest joys-being
married to the right person.I read once
somewhere that you need to marry the right
person because this one decision will
account for 90% of your joy or sorrow and
I find that to be true.Patty
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Daile
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 319 Location: Missouri
Posted: 10-18-04 03:37am
Yeah, it would be just great to make
teenagers take a test before having sex.
Like you said, they have to take one to
drive a car...
Oh, wait! Let's not forget all the
teenagers that drive without a license, or
drive during times or under conditions in
which their license isn't viable. And the
teenagers who passed the test and got a
license, and then had an accident because
of reckless driving!
A test will not solve anything. Neither
will a contract. Both can be ignored in
the heat of the moment. You want to stop
teenagers from having premarital sex? Get
the government to pass a law requiring
chastity belts (male and female) to be
worn from the start of school until the
honeymoon. That's the only chance you
have of it working! And we all know, that
will never, ever happen.
And by the way, a lot of teenagers do have
this discussion before sex. I did, with
every partner i've had. And you want to
know a secret?? Most of the time, we
still didn't use protection. We didn't
want a baby, and we had no way of taking
care of one. But when your making out and
getting naked, you don't want to be the
one to say "oh, crap, we gotta stop! I
ran out of condoms!!"
daile
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 10-18-04 05:07am
Believe it or not, I was a teenager once
too. And I know you can't stop them from
having sex. What I said was "wouldn't it
be good if" -- and said too bad it
wouldn't be enforceable.
And as long as teenagers have unprotected
sex, you will have unwanted pregnancies.
And since it is only the girl who gets
stuffed with the consequences, thank god
she can have an abortion.
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bellax0x
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 3572 Location: Jersey Baby!
Posted: 10-19-04 21:19pm
I totally agree with you heather, youre a
smart girl
<3
gaby
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 10-20-04 10:38am
Teenagers have been having sex since the
beginning of time.The only difference now
is that teens generally do not marry at
14, but their bodies are wired to be full
of raging hormones at that age.120 years
ago,it was common to marry as teenagers
and start a family right away to help with
farmwork and such.Large families were
needed and there were high death rates for
both infants and mothers.I agree that
abstinance does not work-it never has and
doubt that it ever will for most people.If
you are in that minority,good for you,but
most of us are not that strong to
resist.All adults can do is provide their
young people with the knowledge that is
needed for both bith control and safe sex
and hope that some of the message has
gotten through. If so many adults were
not so embarassed about sex, it is
possible that there would be a decrease in
the unexpected pregnancies.I would rather
my child ask about birth control and be
given the info than to be told that there
is a baby on the way.Patty
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JanetBee
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 332
Posted: 10-20-04 11:47am
Another problem is that the age of puberty
is coming down -- it used to be around 15
or 16, now 10 or 11 isn't uncommon. But
the shape of the body is still that of a
child, so although a little girl can
become pregnant, she isn't actually built
to be pregnant. And she certainly doesn't
have the capacity to be a mother.
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 10-20-04 15:19pm
Little girls are going through puberty
much earlier than ever and that is
possibly due to all the chemicals and
additives in our foods,especially the
hormones in meats.I see little girls,10,11
years old with developing breasts and
getting their periods.They are much too
young to understand what sex is about and
some do not have the information they need
to not get pregnant.It is very sad to see
some parents not accept that their little
girls are not so little anymore and they
fail to discuss sex and birth control with
them.Education is the key to reducing
unplanned pregnancies!Patty
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 10-28-04 14:32pm
In that law and order episode the man lost
because it was the woman's right.
Also, in that episode, since it was
brought up, the man was abusive and only
wanted her to follow through with the
pregnancy to control her.
A prime example of why it is ultimately
the woman's choice.
But, you know what? If a woman gets
pregnant to a man and decides she doesn't
want to be a mother, but feels that he
would do fine raising the baby by himself
would go ahead and have the baby and give
it to him.
In other cases where the woman decides
against the man's wishes, it is most
likely justified. That is just part of
the whole decision making process. All
factors need to be taken into account, and
if the person making the decision feels
the man really does want the baby, then
she would probably have it.
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