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Heathergirl
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a Father's Right.
Posted: 10-15-04 21:24pm
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Whether I believe in abortion or
not........And I am a woman...I still
think that the male involved with the
conception of the pregnancy should have a
say in whether or not the pregnancy is
carried out....If a woman wants to carry
the pregnancy to term, the man should have
no say...She wants to protect her
child...If the woman does not want to
carry the pregnancy to term...The man
should have a say...He wants to protect
his child. He is half of that "fetus,
child, baby, thing" and should at least
have a little bit of say in it. It's not
fair that if the woman purposely gets
pregnant she can keep the child and then
sue the father for child support for 18
years for a child he doesn't want, but she
can abort a child they both made without
his say, even if he wants to be a daddy.
A man who creates a child and then chooses
he doesn't want it...Won't pay for
it...And doesn't take his parental
responsibilites: dead beat dad
a women who creates a child and then
chooses she doesn't want it...Won't pay
for it...And doesn't take her parental
responsibilites: pro-choice
i am not saying these are the only people
who are pro-choice and have
abortions...Every person has their own
story... I'm just trying to make a point
about fathers and their rights.
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JanetBee
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Posted: 10-16-04 09:12am
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Heather - the problem is that so many men
throughout history have just abandoned
women and their children, and now society
is saying that they have to accept
responsibility. If a man had unprotected
sex there would be no consequences, and so
often until dna testing they could just
claim they weren't the father. No we can
prove they are.
But men have manipulated and coerced and
lied to women to get them to have sex with
them, and it is the women who end up
pregnant. That's always going to happen,
but now women can at least have some
control over their lives and not accept
they are baby-factories.
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Heathergirl
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Posted: 10-16-04 13:33pm
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Janetbee....
First, I would really like to
say thanks you for your response....You
are one of a kind...Thanks for trying to
make me understand your side and not just
yelling at me....I appreciate this very
much. And I understand what you are
saying completely...And I understand there
are problems with how society works....And
this saddens me. So I know we need
legislation demanding men to step up and
take care of their children....But I also
have a soft spot in my heart for the
fathers-to-be that are stripped their
rights as a father and have to stand back
and watch as their child and their dreams
disapear....I know the majority of men
don't care...But then their are men who
embrace the fact that they are goin to be
daddy's....And it is for these men that I
want to cry ....
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nippz
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Posted: 10-17-04 21:16pm
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Yes true. Men should always have a say in
if they want the child aborted or not,
since it's their child, too. I mean if
the woman wants to have the abortion and
the man does not, at least let the man
take care of it if he wants to have that
responsibility. But its true, most men
leave women usually and make them have
abortions.
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JanetBee
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Posted: 10-18-04 09:13am
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When the man be the one who is pregnant,
he can have a say as to whether he has an
abortion.
Why don't people understand that it is not
always about not wanting a baby, it is
about not wanting to be pregnant. And
don't say, then don't have sex. If you
are using birth control, sometimes
accidents happen. And maybe if you are a
teenager, you can say that you can go on
welfare, or your parents will look after
you or whatever. But if you are a woman
with a mortgage and people who depend on
you, and a job with respsonsibilities, and
you don't want a child, then it is no
one's business but yours if you have an
abortion.
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Daile
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Posted: 10-20-04 03:53am
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| janetbee
wrote: | | but if you are a woman with
a mortgage and people who depend on you,
and a job with respsonsibilities, and you
don't want a child, then it is no one's
business but yours if you have an
abortion. |
i disagree, janet. That child was still
made by two people, even if it is growing
in you. I understand that birth control
fails, and that some people have an
abortion because they don't want to be
pregnant. But I think you should have to
consider the man who helped create that
life. He should have a say in the
matter. Maybe he would like to have the
child. He might even want it knowing that
you want nothing to do with it afterwards.
And as for not wanting to be pregnant, oh
well. I mean, it's nine months out of
your life. Yeah, that's a long time.
But just "not wanting to be pregnant" is
not a good reason to have an abortion.
Daile
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aanifant
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Posted: 10-20-04 09:40am
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I disagree daile. It is woman's body.
The pregnancy impacts a woman's life,
livelihood, her job etc. How she deals
with prenancy in her life is only her
business. Therefore the extent of the
man's wishes can be considered by the
woman on an individual basis. We cannot
make a law that entitles every man who
shoots his sperm the right to semi-control
her pregnancy, birth, etc. Legal abortion
allows the freedom for couples to decide
individually. It is the only way the
situation can be fair for women since they
are 9 times out 10 left with the burden
of dealing with a child and no "daddy"i.E.
No second income to help raise the
kid(s).
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nippz
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Posted: 10-20-04 14:11pm
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I dont know what so say because it is true
that it's the woman's body, but, it does
take two people to make the baby. It's
the child of both. So a man should always
have a say. That's all I can think of.
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aanifant
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Posted: 10-21-04 07:12am
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Yes he can state his desires, but,
ultimately the decision rests with the
woman because the responsibility of being
pregnant, giving birth and then being the
primary caregiver is alot more
respinsibility than "donating" sperm.
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jessamyn
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Posted: 10-28-04 08:41am
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Heahter for one I misssss you but two...
What about all those dads who get a girl
pregnant and are like well shes just a
prostitute but in reality the mom would be
a great mom reguardless? Would they get a
say and force an abortion?
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Heathergirl
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Location: Michigan
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Posted: 11-01-04 14:59pm
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Oh lord no, I don't think anyone should be
able to force an abortion......For one I
don't believe in abortion at all......And
I think noone should be able to force an
abortion! I miss you tooooo!!!!!!!!
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2ferano
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Posted: 11-06-04 14:50pm
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Yes, the woman is ultimately the caretaker
and it is therefore her choice. I mean,
what if the man "wanted" the baby, she had
it and then he left? This happens all of
the freakin time. The one who is
pregnant gets the say and that is the way
it should be.
As I said in the other post about this, if
the woman feels that the man really wants
the child and can and will take care of it
then she would ultimately have the baby.
Even if she had it and then just gave it
to him. But if she knows full well that
the man is going to be worthless, but he
has the right to force her to have the
baby? I don't think so.
It is hard enough for a woman to get out
of an abusive relationship. Letting the
man have a say in whether or not she
breeds would be pure evil.
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PattyV
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Location: Chicago area
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Posted: 11-06-04 21:32pm
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Quite often, the woman is left to decide
on her own and the man is nowhere to be
found.Or she is told to do whatever she
wants with "it".I have had friends who had
to not only make the decision on their own
,but pay for the whole abortion.I have
also known many women who were told that
birth control was up to them,physically
and finacially.So,with that being said,why
should some jackleg be able to tell me
what to do with my body???!!!Patty
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Izzy
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Posted: 11-07-04 06:37am
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"he" isnt he is voicing his opinions,
something that is allowed by the
constitution.
"he" is not telling you want to do with
your body he is trying to get protection
for another human being!
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 11-07-04 08:33am
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Worry about the human beings who are
already alive. Fetuses are not people.
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Izzy
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Posted: 11-07-04 11:05am
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Woop there goes another slogan from the
mind controling pro choice propergander
machine
yes they are people!
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bd1012
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Posted: 11-07-04 12:30pm
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Lol.. You say I have the mind of a two
year old and here you are barely able to
construct a coherent sentence. 
they are people iyo honey.. Not ours.
Why don't you go play and leave the adults
here to talk.
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2ferano
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Posted: 11-11-04 15:18pm
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Lol. Once again, "he" is not protecting
anything. I just love how you respond to
one sentence of a whole post.
As I said, in some instances it is a
control thing and in others they just want
the baby to say they have a baby but never
take care of it.
Whatever izzy.
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Izzy
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Posted: 11-11-04 15:31pm
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" just love how you respond to one
sentence of a whole post."
woopsy daisy just showed your lack of
intelect
sometimes a whole post centres around one
sentence!
If I can correct the fundemental error of
the post, then the little errors are wiped
clear!
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2ferano
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Posted: 11-11-04 15:40pm
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No, that isn't how it works at all. And
it is so funny how you make fun of me and
spell intellect wrong! Lol.
Anywho, no, when you take one sentence
out of a whole post all you do is show
your lack of interest in actually trying
to make a point.
Usually that "one sentence" is proven or
backed up by the rest of the post. And
sometimes that one sentence that you pick
out has nothing to do with the whole
content of the post. Therefore you
aren't even debating. You are just
wasting time.
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