How Do I Break Down These Walls Posted: 10-26-04 18:17pm
I am a very guarded person mean I
ratherly open up and express to people
how i'm feeling . I had to be strong all
my life, to keep my self from being hurt.
As I get older and have found out that
this ids hurting me more then it is
protecting me. I feel I should do
something about, it because I want an
family and t be happy. And the wa I
acting know is keeping my lonely sad and
depressed. I hate it . Do anyone have
advice so I can open up to people.
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OutsideSizes
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 22 Location: NYC
I Understand You Posted: 11-29-04 02:20am
Hi nobleview.
*i am not sure if you are a man or woman,
but I will write this as if you are
female, although it can go either way in
interpretation. Hope this helps.
I understand how u feel completely. I
feel right now I am at my lowest
health-wise, self-esteem wise, and
professionally. I have so much stress
and anxiety I have become depressed and a
big stress factor causing this is
lonliness. I have been hurt terribly in
the past, particularly by my first love
(high school thru college) whom I kept
forgiving over and over even beyond
reason. I would make up excuses for him,
convince myself he loved me, and lived in
a little bubble. When he hurt me and
betrayed me terribly this past summer, I
finally mustered up the courage to leave
him. I felt pathetic- I had wasted five
years of my life loving someone who did
not love me back.
I lost all the youthful hopes and romantic
illusions I had. I began having casual
sex, one night stands, and liked the
feeling of disattachment and protection
against pain. These men cared nothing
for me and I cared nothing for them. But
I still had an inkling of hope left in me.
That was until a close male friend whom
I began falling for broke my trust in men
all together. He was always telling me
he had feelings for me but did not want to
disrespect me by making a premature move
b/c he was "messed up in the head" over
his ex. I knew him for two years, talked
to him almost every day for the last few
months, and I trusted he would never do
anything to hurt me or use me. Then one
night I got drunk at his place (he was
sober) and we had sex. I barely remember
it. I was happy though, because I
believed what he said before- maybe now he
would be willing to be with me; maybe now
someone would really want me. But no-
nothing came of it...He continued calling
me and complaining about his ex and acting
like what we had never happened. A
couple weeks later he coyly asked me when
we ould sleep together again and I was
disgusted with him. The only guy I ever
met who didn't just want to use me for a
one-night stand was talking to me like a
hooker. I became distant and pushed him
out of my life. I convinced myself it
didn't matter and I should have expected
it just like I expect it from everyone
else. He still tries calling and asking
why I won't talk to him, and apologizing,
saying "its not his fault that hes not
ready". But u know what? It did matter
to me- it was hard enough opening myself
up after the heartache I experienced with
my ex, but I mustered up the guts and did
it- but all that did was make me
vulnerable to pain.
Now I have no faith in men anymore. I
don't believe a word that comes out of a
man's mouth, regardless who it is. I
know there are good men out there, but I
have never had a good experience. My
distrust and cynicism are protective
barriers, but instead of helping me hold
on to my dignity and protect myself from
heartbreak, these barriers cause me to
live in lonliness and hopelessness.
The question here is: what is more
dangerous- an optimist who hangs onto hope
in any situation, gives people chances,
opens themselves up, and risks
heartbreak? Or a pessimist who prepares
for and expects the worst and never gets
hurt? Sure its safer to be a pessimist-
its the easy way out. We tell ourselves
men are liars and pigs and when they live
up to these expectations we can just say
"i knew it, I was right" and we're not
disappointed.
But then I wonder: is pessimism a
self-fulfilling prophecy? Do people like
u and me set ourselves us for romantic
failure by being cynics? Its like people
who have impossible expectations- they
want prince charming on a white horse to
rescue them and throw aside men who don't
meet these idealistic standards. Its
silly and irrational and most of them end
up alone if they don't realize they have
to settle a little.
Cynics take this to an extreme and don't
even consider the possibility that prince
charming (or anyone decent for that
matter) exists. We think that we are
doing ourselves a favor, but then the
lonliness sets in and we understand that
our most powerful asset- our "wall" around
the heart- is actually what causes our
demise. This is called the icarus
paradox after the greek legend of icarus
who built wax wings so he could fly and be
as powerful as the gods, but he got so
close to the sun it melted his wings and
he fell to his death. Plus, having the
mindset that men are only going to hurt us
makes us unconciously want to fulfill that
prophecy and we tend to sabotage possible
relationships or opportunities for any
reason we can find. We are afraid to be
happy.
I used to live by the quote,"dance like no
ones watching and love like its never
gonna hurt". I used to think the heart
is meant for two reasons: to be broken and
to be put back together. But this
optimism, though often admirable in
others, caused too many nights of crying
and worrying and wishing for things that I
never seemed to get. I was lonely, but I
kept trying. And whats so bad about
that? Then when I was physically
exhausted from crying and stressing, when
I had panic attacks and bulimia random
episodes of fainting because my heart was
(literally) skipping beats, I turned to
marijuana and alcohol to numb myself.
But when my last year in school started I
knew these habits couldn't continue, so I
decided that I was done- men were all the
same, they all used women, and they were
not worth my health. But the pain only
went away for a little while. I had to
replace my addiction to the weed and
alcohol, because there was nothing to look
foward to- no solution. I had closed my
heart and I needed a new focus. So I
focused on school, but since I had trouble
doing my work, I decided to try taking
adderall to concentrate, and it really
worked. It really helped me get
motivated and I did all my work and went
to every class. Every free second I had
I studied and that became the only
priority in my life. I didn't care about
my lonliness anymore, because all I cared
about was getting adderall so I could
finish my work. I stopped hanging out
with friends, I stopped writing poetry, I
cut out all the things in my life that
used to make me happy- including sleep and
food. Within 6 months I had lost 40
lbs.
But there was one week when I couldnt find
any adderall. I began to crash. Hard.
I tried a slew of strong diet pills from
zetrax to phentremene to try and get that
same feeling. All they did was speed up
my heart and give me migranes. I snorted
coke to stay awake but it didn't provide
the same kind of focus addy did. I began
throwing up my food because my body was
suffering. The anxiety and mood swings I
experienced on adderall massively worsened
with withdrawl. All the lonliness I had
been supressing came bursting out of me,
causing uncontrollable sadness and
self-hatred. I could not get out of bed,
I refused to talk to anyone...I became
hopelessly depressed.
That was last week. Tomorrow I am going
to see a counselor at my school and
hopefully I will find the courage to live
without adderall by finding the courage to
open myself up to happiness. I had to
hit rock bottom to realize I am killing
myself- not only with the physical
addiction but also the mental addiction to
fear and protectionism. I isolate myself
and give myself zero chance at happiness
instead of taking a risk and having some
chance of succeeding, even a small one.
These walls we build are the enemy, not
the world outside of them. We are
locking ourselves in a fantasy world
disguised as "realism", and that is worse
than dreaming about prince charming.
Optimists are brave, not us. It is when
people can be crushed, and know it, but
they keep on going out there every time.
My advice to you may sound drastic, but
depression and fear and lonliness cannot
just be wished away. You have to get
help, like I am. Your walls are not made
of stone, they are imaginary because you
put them there. I know trauma and
failure in love is incredibly difficult to
forgive or forget, but our probelm is we
don't want to let them go. We think that
just because we don't love ourselves
everyone else isn't capable of loving us
and letting them in will only cause more
pain than we already cause on our own.
But that is not true.
Only when we learn to live with ourselves
will we be able to let someone be good to
us, and take chances on people, and be
happy. Failure is nothing to be scared
of. It is what builds character and
allows us to become brave. We can still
hold onto dignity and self-respect by
removing ourselves from negative or
harmful relationships immediately. Think
of it this way- we have an advantage- we
can use the traumatic experiences we
suffered through as learning tools to
never repeat these mistakes again. Just
because someone gets attacked on the
street one day does not mean they can
never leave the house. They cannot sit
at home alone and waste the only chance
they have to live. They may have to take
self-defense classes, or talk to a
therapist to put this experience behind
them. It may take a while, and they will
be scared, but at least when they have the
courage to go outside again they will be
more aware of their surroundings and can
channel their fear by making others aware.
This is what empowerment is. We are
dead right now, and we can only resurrect
when we give living a chance. Living is
scary and hard but it can also be
beautiful and love is beautiful.
And hey, maybe optimism is also a
self-fulfilling prophecy- maybe believing
with all your heart that you will find
love, that you deserve it, and that you
don't have to be alone, will actually make
you more willing and able to find it.
Please take my advice, I know I will, and
we can support each other. Write me your
progress, and if you need any help finding
a couselor or an inspirational source, let
me know and i'll help you. But only you
can do it yourself.
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nobleview
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 37 Location: michigan
Yes And No Posted: 12-04-04 10:23am
Yes. After my heart ache I started doing
something that I probably would have
normally done. Mess with one of my long
time friend who was in a relationship.
Started kissing guy with no feelings
involved. Losed my virginity to my first
boyfriend in with I was very comfortable
around but had no love or feelings for.
Bascially just used. I have not used drug
or alchol to help me through. My wall is
up but it's been up before I was even old
enought to date. My problem is let
people in. The guy who hurt me. He and I
are working things out and I forgave.
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boobtease
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 5
Response Posted: 01-06-05 19:49pm
Try a support group or personal counseling
there is nothing wrong with having some
kind of wall up you can't trust everyone
you know use you instincts and find out
what triggers you feeling and maybe if you
can work on the main cause of your hurt
somehow by taking it one step at a time
you may be able to get through it take
care
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Arclight
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Sacramento, Ca, USA
How Do I Break Down These Walls Posted: 01-06-05 21:08pm
After reading your posts I found that I
can relate to your defenses, hurt and all
that goes along with it. I know that a
person can be with a loved one for years
and still live in the most hellish
loneliness.
About eight years ago while attending a
ptsd group for vietnam veterans.
I dont know how or why I came to the
conclusion that I did, I had quietly
prayed a lot and in a very strange way,
help came to me. I looked back on my life
and somehow a solution came to me. I had
been doing a lot of reading, soul
searching and a lot of the solution,
conclusion etc. Came to me out of the
blue.
I had to take a really hard look at myself
and found that I had to develop love
within myself. This may seem to be
selfish to you at first, but when all else
failed, this worked for me.
I had to take a look at the love within
myself. I believe that all through my
life I had been looking for that special
person who would love me when I couldnt do
that myself. It was kind of like another
persons love would rub off on me. That
doesnt work. When I finally began to take
a look within myself and at my self love I
really began to like myself and love
myself. I finally came to the conclusion
that I first had to love my self before I
could love another. It takes a lot of
work, but now I believe I can love myself
with no strings attached.
I truely believe that we all need to take
a tough look inward of ourselves, our self
love first before we can succede in any
relationship. I need to go now because I
am very tired. If any person wants, I can
write more on this subject later on.
Keep your chin up and go forward knowing
that you also can develop the true self
love within.
Later, john
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swirlyeyes
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 3 Location: U.S.A
Posted: 03-16-05 21:35pm
Nothingfits - thank you for posting your
story...It really hit home with me.
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BADSAL
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 257 Location: PA
to Thecling- You Need to Read This Post From a While Back Posted: 03-22-05 14:04pm
nothingfits
wrote:
hi nobleview.
*i am not sure if you are a man or woman,
but I will write this as if you are
female, although it can go either way in
interpretation. Hope this helps.
I understand how u feel completely. I
feel right now I am at my lowest
health-wise, self-esteem wise, and
professionally. I have so much stress
and anxiety I have become depressed and a
big stress factor causing this is
lonliness. I have been hurt terribly in
the past, particularly by my first love
(high school thru college) whom I kept
forgiving over and over even beyond
reason. I would make up excuses for
him, convince myself he loved me, and
lived in a little bubble. When he hurt
me and betrayed me terribly this past
summer, I finally mustered up the courage
to leave him. I felt pathetic- I had
wasted five years of my life loving
someone who did not love me back.
I lost all the youthful hopes and romantic
illusions I had. I began having casual
sex, one night stands, and liked the
feeling of disattachment and protection
against pain. These men cared nothing
for me and I cared nothing for them.
But I still had an inkling of hope left in
me. That was until a close male friend
whom I began falling for broke my trust in
men all together. He was always telling
me he had feelings for me but did not want
to disrespect me by making a premature
move b/c he was "messed up in the head"
over his ex. I knew him for two years,
talked to him almost every day for the
last few months, and I trusted he would
never do anything to hurt me or use me.
Then one night I got drunk at his place
(he was sober) and we had sex. I barely
remember it. I was happy though,
because I believed what he said before-
maybe now he would be willing to be with
me; maybe now someone would really want
me. But no- nothing came of it...He
continued calling me and complaining about
his ex and acting like what we had never
happened. A couple weeks later he coyly
asked me when we ould sleep together again
and I was disgusted with him. The only
guy I ever met who didn't just want to use
me for a one-night stand was talking to me
like a hooker. I became distant and
pushed him out of my life. I convinced
myself it didn't matter and I should have
expected it just like I expect it from
everyone else. He still tries calling
and asking why I won't talk to him, and
apologizing, saying "its not his fault
that hes not ready". But u know what?
It did matter to me- it was hard enough
opening myself up after the heartache I
experienced with my ex, but I mustered up
the guts and did it- but all that did was
make me vulnerable to pain.
Now I have no faith in men anymore. I
don't believe a word that comes out of a
man's mouth, regardless who it is. I
know there are good men out there, but I
have never had a good experience. My
distrust and cynicism are protective
barriers, but instead of helping me hold
on to my dignity and protect myself from
heartbreak, these barriers cause me to
live in lonliness and hopelessness.
The question here is: what is more
dangerous- an optimist who hangs onto hope
in any situation, gives people chances,
opens themselves up, and risks
heartbreak? Or a pessimist who prepares
for and expects the worst and never gets
hurt? Sure its safer to be a pessimist-
its the easy way out. We tell ourselves
men are liars and pigs and when they live
up to these expectations we can just say
"i knew it, I was right" and we're not
disappointed.
But then I wonder: is pessimism a
self-fulfilling prophecy? Do people
like u and me set ourselves us for
romantic failure by being cynics? Its
like people who have impossible
expectations- they want prince charming on
a white horse to rescue them and throw
aside men who don't meet these idealistic
standards. Its silly and irrational and
most of them end up alone if they don't
realize they have to settle a little.
Cynics take this to an extreme and don't
even consider the possibility that prince
charming (or anyone decent for that
matter) exists. We think that we are
doing ourselves a favor, but then the
lonliness sets in and we understand that
our most powerful asset- our "wall" around
the heart- is actually what causes our
demise. This is called the icarus
paradox after the greek legend of icarus
who built wax wings so he could fly and be
as powerful as the gods, but he got so
close to the sun it melted his wings and
he fell to his death. Plus, having the
mindset that men are only going to hurt us
makes us unconciously want to fulfill that
prophecy and we tend to sabotage possible
relationships or opportunities for any
reason we can find. We are afraid to be
happy.
I used to live by the quote,"dance like no
ones watching and love like its never
gonna hurt". I used to think the heart
is meant for two reasons: to be broken and
to be put back together. But this
optimism, though often admirable in
others, caused too many nights of crying
and worrying and wishing for things that I
never seemed to get. I was lonely, but
I kept trying. And whats so bad about
that? Then when I was physically
exhausted from crying and stressing, when
I had panic attacks and bulimia random
episodes of fainting because my heart was
(literally) skipping beats, I turned to
marijuana and alcohol to numb myself.
But when my last year in school started I
knew these habits couldn't continue, so I
decided that I was done- men were all the
same, they all used women, and they were
not worth my health. But the pain only
went away for a little while. I had to
replace my addiction to the weed and
alcohol, because there was nothing to look
foward to- no solution. I had closed my
heart and I needed a new focus. So I
focused on school, but since I had trouble
doing my work, I decided to try taking
adderall to concentrate, and it really
worked. It really helped me get
motivated and I did all my work and went
to every class. Every free second I had
I studied and that became the only
priority in my life. I didn't care
about my lonliness anymore, because all I
cared about was getting adderall so I
could finish my work. I stopped hanging
out with friends, I stopped writing
poetry, I cut out all the things in my
life that used to make me happy- including
sleep and food. Within 6 months I had
lost 40 lbs.
But there was one week when I couldnt find
any adderall. I began to crash.
Hard. I tried a slew of strong diet
pills from zetrax to phentremene to try
and get that same feeling. All they did
was speed up my heart and give me
migranes. I snorted coke to stay awake
but it didn't provide the same kind of
focus addy did. I began throwing up my
food because my body was suffering. The
anxiety and mood swings I experienced on
adderall massively worsened with
withdrawl. All the lonliness I had been
supressing came bursting out of me,
causing uncontrollable sadness and
self-hatred. I could not get out of
bed, I refused to talk to anyone...I
became hopelessly depressed.
That was last week. Tomorrow I am going
to see a counselor at my school and
hopefully I will find the courage to live
without adderall by finding the courage to
open myself up to happiness. I had to
hit rock bottom to realize I am killing
myself- not only with the physical
addiction but also the mental addiction to
fear and protectionism. I isolate
myself and give myself zero chance at
happiness instead of taking a risk and
having some chance of succeeding, even a
small one.
These walls we build are the enemy, not
the world outside of them. We are
locking ourselves in a fantasy world
disguised as "realism", and that is worse
than dreaming about prince charming.
Optimists are brave, not us. It is when
people can be crushed, and know it, but
they keep on going out there every time.
My advice to you may sound drastic, but
depression and fear and lonliness cannot
just be wished away. You have to get
help, like I am. Your walls are not
made of stone, they are imaginary because
you put them there. I know trauma and
failure in love is incredibly difficult to
forgive or forget, but our probelm is we
don't want to let them go. We think
that just because we don't love ourselves
everyone else isn't capable of loving us
and letting them in will only cause more
pain than we already cause on our own.
But that is not true.
Only when we learn to live with ourselves
will we be able to let someone be good to
us, and take chances on people, and be
happy. Failure is nothing to be scared
of. It is what builds character and
allows us to become brave. We can still
hold onto dignity and self-respect by
removing ourselves from negative or
harmful relationships immediately.
Think of it this way- we have an
advantage- we can use the traumatic
experiences we suffered through as
learning tools to never repeat these
mistakes again. Just because someone
gets attacked on the street one day does
not mean they can never leave the house.
They cannot sit at home alone and waste
the only chance they have to live. They
may have to take self-defense classes, or
talk to a therapist to put this experience
behind them. It may take a while, and
they will be scared, but at least when
they have the courage to go outside again
they will be more aware of their
surroundings and can channel their fear by
making others aware. This is what
empowerment is. We are dead right now,
and we can only resurrect when we give
living a chance. Living is scary and
hard but it can also be beautiful and love
is beautiful.
And hey, maybe optimism is also a
self-fulfilling prophecy- maybe believing
with all your heart that you will find
love, that you deserve it, and that you
don't have to be alone, will actually make
you more willing and able to find it.
Please take my advice, I know I will, and
we can support each other. Write me
your progress, and if you need any help
finding a couselor or an inspirational
source, let me know and i'll help you.
But only you can do it
yourself.
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swirlyeyes
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 3 Location: U.S.A
Omg!!! Posted: 03-22-05 19:52pm
Nothingfits - your post opened my eyes,
lifted my depression and gave me the
answers to why my life, is the way it is..
....You are so... Right!!!!
...You have no idea, how your words have
changed my life positively..
Forever!!!!
Thank you!!!.. :d thank you!!!.. :d
thank you!!! :d
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mistherd13
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 52 Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posted: 04-17-05 02:50am
I can relate. I'm 19-yr and i've already
lost confidence in ever being able to find
a decent guy. I'm already kissing and
fooling around without feeling, and then I
base feelings upon this and think I
actually like a guy when I don't. It just
screws everything up and, in the end, just
makes me want to turn lesbian. I have the
mindset right now that I woud like a
steady relationship with a guy, but don't
actually want to do all the work of
finding one and then maintaing that
relationship since it 'surely' won't work
out anyway. I'm so depressed all alone in
my first year of college. None of my old
friends are around or keep in touch, I
just lost my best friend and I feel so
unmomtivated academically by the school
i'm at but know for certain that
transferring schools would just screw up
my future plans completely. I have to
think that just a few more years, I can
surely last. I have this optimism here,
but no such faith for relationships.
Going to a private school as a scholarship
student and, furthermore, not a party-goer
or a drinker. I haven't really found any
friends except for one just recently,
someone I can talk to actually and hang
out with outside of classes. I mean, I
went to see a movie with her for the first
time tonight and I had a great time--much
better than any other time i've gone on a
date with a guy to the movies. So
naturally I would think I should start
dating girls, right? Only problem with
that is that i'm really not a lesbian--tom
cruise and johnny depp are still basically
two of the hottest creatures on earth; and
you can't beat that feeling of being
embraced by those masculine arms. I have
a lot of self-esteem issues and i'm really
not a social person. I don't think guys
like me, even when i'm dating them! I
mean, I think i'm ugly, fat, short,
stupid--but they say i'm 'beautiful, thin,
medium and so smart.' i'll give them the
smart since I only think i'm stupid
because I know I could do so much better,
but everything else... I can just go on
and on about all the flaws with my body
and personality and behavior. And despite
the few bf's I have had and all the
knowledge I have about how to, I don't
really know how to meet guys or get them
interested in me or anything as I am.
Like I said, I don't party or drink--at a
small, party college. I stay on campus
unless I have to go to the store real
quick for something or am going home,
where I just run around the city doing
things I can't at college or getting
together with an old friend for a few
hours watching a movie or hanging out at
his/her house. I mean, I have a few guys
here i've met and am interested in, but
one just got out of a relationship and
isn't ready. I've already messed that one
up by revealing to him some of my issues
even for when he is ready. And I don't
really know about the other guy--i find
him very attractive, but... I don't think
i'm so, and I saw a note from some girl
asking him when he's going to ask out her
friend... So I don't think he's
interested anyway. I don't know either
how to know if a guy's flirting with me,
or even know all the time if i'm flirting
with him. Basically, i'm caught. I don't
want to date, but I totally do. I want
the relationship, a guy to depend upon and
to have dependent upon me, and hang out
with, but I don't want to be hurt, to
waste my time, or know how to get a guy.
Especially since the couple of guys i've
been involved with as far as not having
emotions for but doing things have truly
ended up being total suckers, including
one who just tugged me around and then
ended up dating my sister's roommate and
another who ended up having a girlfriend
already (poor girl... And she'd never
believe anyone who would tell her either).
I've lost faith in all the adolescent
fantasies and hopes, and even the
not-so-adolescent ones.
Nothingfits: your story impacts me when I
read it. It gives me some of my old
optimism back and makes me think. I know
i'll read it many more times in the
future, to support me and keep me from
being so distraught. I've been so
depressed lately, and I already feel a
little better. Thank you so much for
sharing this life experience, and i'm so
happy I found it. I hope you find the
help you seek and something that will put
you back onto a good track.