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proLife
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Canada
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Is a Fetus a Human Being?
Posted: 11-05-04 01:44am
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Imagine you're out hunting. You see
something in the bushes - you think it's a
bear, but it could be a person. Would
you pull the trigger?
When it comes to figuring out whether a
fetus is human or not, all we can do is
speculate. Some say it's human when
you can hear a heart beat. Others say
when it feels pain - still others say when
it is born. All that the facts say, is
that it may be human.
What does it say about us if we are
willing to kill something that has
committed no offence, and may be human?
Last edited by proLife on 11-12-04 01:02am; edited 1 time in total
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where_is_the_line
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Re: Is a Fetus a Human Being?
Posted: 11-05-04 02:42am
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A human fetus is a being of human nature.
I consider that a human being.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 11-05-04 04:49am
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A fetus is alive and growing it has its
own individual and unique identity even
within the mother (even if the mother dies
the fetus can continue to live). The
fetus has its own unique dna different
from any other human being save an
identical twin. A fetus unless it dies or
is killed will continue to live and grow
and eventually be born. A fetus is a
human being disabled or abled bodied he is
a human being wanted or unwanted, the
fetus is a human being no matter how much
they tell you it is not.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 11-05-04 10:20am
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That is so sickening, the idea of a human
being inside another person, yuck, just
like something out of a science fiction
movie or a circus freak show. How can we
allow this in a civilised society?
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 11-05-04 10:27am
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"that is so sickening, the idea of a human
being inside another person, yuck, just
like something out of a science fiction
movie or a circus freak show. How can we
allow this in a civilised society?"
i am going to take that the only way
possible... As a joke, however health
question is not a laughing matter
especially when it is allowed by our own
governements.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 11-05-04 12:49pm
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It's not meant as a joke -- the idea of
pregnancy is totally repugnant. No one
can force anyone to live with this. When
men can become pregnant then they can have
an opinion.
Try asking someone with a tumour whether
they should have to keep it inside them.
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proLife
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Canada
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Posted: 11-05-04 13:26pm
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In response to:
'the idea of pregnancy is totally
repugnant. No one can force anyone
to live with this. When men can
become pregnant then they can have an
opinion. '
a.) so you've claimed that the idea of
pregnancy is disgusting. There is
no reason to beleive that it is right or
wrong based on your perception of it being
disgusting.
B.) you've claimed that no one can force
you to live with this. You are
correct - that's the law. But
remember, all the law is, is a set of
rules by which our society has chosen to
live. It has little to do with right
and wrong - it changes continuously.
The more corrupt the society, the more
corrupt the law.
C.) you claim that men can't have an
opinion on this matter because they don't
have to go through it. In society,
we agree that health question constitutes
a crime. Many of us have never been
tempted to commit a crime- we've never
been in a position where nearly every part
of our being is urging us to commit the
act, but we know it's wrong all the same.
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bd1012
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Posted: 11-05-04 13:35pm
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See my other post.. It doesn't matter if
a fetus is a human being or not.
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2ferano
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Grrrr
Posted: 11-05-04 18:17pm
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When a word is edited out on this site it
is done so for a reason. Misspelling it
or typing it with s pac es so that the
system doesn't recognize it is not
allowed! You will be banned for doing
this.
A fetus is not a human being. It is a
bunch of tissues that feed off of a human.
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proLife
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Canada
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In Response To: Grrr
Posted: 11-05-04 19:22pm
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My apologies. You're right - I should
have shown proper respect for the rules
that govern this forum, and I will in the
future (provided I don't get booted).
Having said that, I must admit my
dissappointment with such rules. It is
often argued that prolifer's are guilty of
forcing their beliefs on others.
However, it seems to me that with the
'jail words', we are not even permitted to
fully express our views. Who is forcing
their beliefs on whom?
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proLife
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Canada
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In Response To: 'a Fetus Is Not a Human Being.'
Posted: 11-05-04 19:24pm
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Your argument is unsupported. It is
purely speculative.
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2ferano
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Posted: 11-06-04 14:30pm
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My argument is not unsupported as it is
the law that a fetus is not considered a
human being. The fact that it is law
doesn't make it a fact per say, but it is
"supported" your argument that a fetus is
a human being isn't supported, but once
again doesn't make it wrong.
Thank you for respecting this forum. I
don't quite understand some of the
editings either, but I really don't think
they are meant to be on either side. It
is simply that by law abortion is legal
and therefore is not, the bad word, so
that is why I think it is edited out.
Many people have been kicked off of this
forum for continuing to type those words,
and thank you for stopping.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 11-06-04 14:50pm
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To the admin
i would like an expaination as to why
(sorry for this but to make sure you know
wich word I am talking about I will
misspell it) murrder is automatically
changed? Is it like this throughout the
board or just on this issue?
I can see no reason why it is
automatically changed after all it is a
dictionary word! I can understand bad
language being so but please I would like
a decent reason why it is not allowed, it
seems like the silliest thing to me!
If its because it causes offence
can we ban the terms zygote, fetus and
embryo as they are offensive to people who
recognise the unborn as human beings and
these terms are often used in dehumanizing
ways!
If its because abortion is legal and not m
in legal terms, that is unreasonable
oppresion of freedom of speach for those
who recognise it is m by the law of
morallity. How would people feel if I
suddenly took away their right to use the
word "it" or someother word its totally
unreasonable!
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2ferano
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Posted: 11-06-04 14:58pm
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I already explained this above, but I will
type it again.
Abortion is legally not (the bad word).
I guess it isn't allowed because since it
is legal and not the bad word then it is
offensive and incorrect to say that it is.
I guess. I don't know. But, yes, it
is edited throughout the whole forum, so
maybe there is another reason I am not
sure.
As for editing out those other words, they
are biological and correct terms and
therefore, whether offensive or not they
are allowed. Curse words are edited out
too, so I guess it all just comes down to
being offensive.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 11-06-04 16:32pm
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But the m word is a dictionary word!
Just as zygote embryo and fetus are to
censor a word to prevent use of in certain
contexts such as "the woman who killed her
unborn baby is a m" and "the fetus is not
a human being" is ludicris and totaly
unconstitutional!
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
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Posted: 11-06-04 21:51pm
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Abortion is not the "m" word,except in
anti-abortion circles.I do not think most
women who have abortions do it on a
whim,they think about it and agonize over
it and make the best decision they can at
the time.Like i've said before,it's easy
to judge when you do not know the whole
story.Patty
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nippz
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Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2173 Location: ,
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Posted: 11-06-04 22:35pm
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| poopoopoo
wrote: | | that is so sickening, the
idea of a human being inside another
person, yuck, just like something out of a
science fiction movie or a circus freak
show. How can we allow this in a
civilised
society? |
um. Wow.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 11-06-04 23:16pm
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Izzy.. You're really one to talk about
human rights. 
abortion cannot or should not be illegal
because it could cause harm to a woman and
maybe kill her and no matter how small
that chance it.. It is still enough to
justify the woman choosing for herself
whether or not to go through with
pregnancy. Keeping her pregnant against
her will would be keeping her in a
vulnerable and potentially dangerous
postion so her right to life, liberty and
pursuit of happiness would be violated.
Her right to life would be violated
because she is in a vulnerable position
(the fetus is not covered under the
constitution so don't even go there) and
her pursuit of happiness because she would
obviously not be very happy if she is
forced to carry a pregnancy to term and
liberty becuase pregnant woman can't take
certain meds for an ailment and they can't
do many things because it could cause harm
to the zef. They cannot even relieve a
stuffed up nose or enjoy caffeinated
beverages or alcohol.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 11-07-04 06:28am
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Oh honestly bd, please grow up and get
some sense, your just so so way off beam!
You cant seem to grasp any aspect of this
debate.
"abortion cannot or should not be illegal
because it could cause harm to a woman and
maybe kill her"
well no one is trying to prevent women
getting abortions when they are likely to
die!
"keeping her pregnant against her will "
no one is forcing her to remain pregnant
she could still get an abortion. At the
end of the day individuals are a law unto
themselves, the law simply is there for
those who agree with it it just wouldnt be
legal so she would have to suffer the
consiquences of the law if caught!
"the fetus is not covered under the
constitution so don't even go there"
yes it is!
You mind is so weird and manipulated its
just babble most of what you say that
makes no sense or you just dont understand
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 11-07-04 08:35am
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It is the mind of someone who thinks that
their morality is better or more correct
than someone else's which is having
delusions.
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