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Randon

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Posted: 10-17-03 14:20pm

For anyone who seems to think I am a horrible person, i'm not a horrible person I did a horrible thing and trust me noone hates me more then myself for doing it so nothing anyone is going to say will hurt my feelings, trust me I am paying for it if it makes you feel better!!!
I am also not saying the fathers are the only ones to blaim, but yes for my son I was with the man for a long time, he was an problem, he was never there for us, never gave us a cent, and I was with him untill randon was 7 months old, he has seen him about 20 times sense he was born. I don't want him in randon's life, he brings nothing but pain. This last time I wanted to give the baby up for adoption. My boyfriend told me if he was going to have a baby out there he was going to have it and I could have nothing to do with it. He is a rich man and I am sure it would be possible, I could never let that happen because he is not a very nice man. I felt trapped and I didn't know what else to do. I was also only 4 to 5 weeks along.

I know what I did was wrong but I am a nice person, I love my son to death, tell me how I could put another child through what I already put my son through.
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Posted: 10-20-03 13:41pm

I don't think that your son's life is that bad. He gets to eat, sleep, breath, and see the light of day everyday. I don't think anyone should have the choice to play the role of god. These children are our future. However, I understand you made the choice you made and you can't change it back. I feel that everyone deserves a chance, and you certainly deserve a second. Good luck in everything.

Jennifer Laughing
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SimplyMe

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Posted: 10-21-03 23:05pm

Wow, this post is sure a roller coaster ride. Well, like the saying goes, "opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one." please don't be offended, I do not mean to call anyone an as*hole who has posted a message. It's just a saying. But I do have my opinion.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, just like everyone has a right to live their life as they see fit. What may be a right decision for me is a wrong decision for someone else. I personally had an abortion at the age of 15; an abortion I live with every day of my life. So what people say about those who had an abortion, such as you were wrong, mean, evil, etc, isn't something I haven't said to myself one time or another. At that point in my life, I was living with my sisters who were single parents themselves and could barely make ends meet. I decided to have an abortion and cried through the whole procedure. Afterwards, I intentional got pregnant two more times (in my youthful mind believing I could make up for the one I killed), but miscarried both. By the age of 20, I bore two beautiful girls who are now 8 and 10 years old. I have the joy of watching them transform into their own person. It's truly amazing. I can't go back and change the fact that I had an abortion and no one can hurt me with words more than I have already hurt myself with my own actions. I may not have given my unborn child the chance to live which I will pay for on judgement day. But I have come to realize that I wouldn't be where I am today if I hadn't had the abortion. I would never have met my husband who has taken on the responsibility of raising my two girls. They haven't seen their biological father since they were 1 1/2 and 4 months. Everything in life happens for a reason and realize life is not a fairy tale; everyone doesn't always have a happy ending. What may work for you, will not work for someone else. After experiencing the heartache of killing my child, I am pro-life for myself and pro-choice for everyone else. The reason I say this is because I am not responsible for your life and sins as you are not responsible for mine. So let people live their life and deal with the consequences of their actions. Let them learn from their mistakes as you have learned from yours. Someone shoving their opinion down another persons throat, especially a teenager, will get you nowhere. It's better to intelligently speak to someone considering an abortion than criticize, because if you criticize it will go in one ear and out the other.

So to all those who has had an abortion, ask for forgiveness, because you can not change the past. Learn and live for the future. To all those who chose not to have an abortion and weathered the storm, more power to you. May the lord bless you for being so strong. And to all those who are considering an abortion, I pray that you make the right decision. The life you have within you is more precious than gold and is something you can never get back. You have a gift in the palm of your hands that, even if you believe it or not, will give you more joy than you could ever imagine. If hearing the death of a child is heartbreaking and you feel is wrong, think of the unborn child living and breathing within you. Ask yourself: what is the difference?
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Julie B

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Posted: 10-22-03 08:15am

Hi,

i enetered this forum, not to look-up abortion, but for something else. I saw the abortion thread and felt that it may be interesting to see the views of other people alike who have been through this (for people who have been through this, it is never forgotton). I was very disappointed to read the text contained.

I totally agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to make their own jugdement and decision based on their own personal circumstances at that time. I am of course speaking from experience! I also agree with someone who posted (i forget the name) that if women entered this forum for some support as to what decision they should make, then this thread is totally out of order and should not even be here. Most people who have posted are totally biased. This really makes me angry. Those of you posting in this way should not impose your opinions on others, by claiming that women who make the decision to have an abortion makes them sick. I still feel bad, in a way, but I am positive in my own mind that I made the totally right decision. I only feel bad that the contraception pill let me down and made me go through this. Yes I agree that women who do not use contraception and use abortion or the morning after pill as a form of birth control are wrong, but some like myself fall pregnant whilst taking contraception. So does that not tell those of you who are biased that a child was not wanted at that time, for their own reasons.

I will close by saying that this sort of forum should offer support and biased opinions should be kept to yourselves!!!


By the way, I am 27, have a great career ahead of me. I have been with my only partner since the age of 15, so i'm sure those of you with biased opinions will have something to say about that!!,but keep it to yourself, and keep this thread here for support and guidance purposes.

For the people who have entered who are in a predicament at the momemt..... I can only say that if you do have family or friends that you can entrust in, please talk with them for support, or pm me or others you feel that or not biased. I come from a very large family. At the time I had an abortion, I did not want to tell my mum as she loves kids. I eventually told my mum (as we are very close, I am lucky) and she was totally supportive and understood mine and my partners reasons at that moment of time in our life, this of course has given me the support I need and most importantly the reassurance I needed therefater that I did not perform a bad act in the eyes of god!

We did what was right at that time, and that is the important factor...Right at that time.
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insurancegirl

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Posted: 10-22-03 09:25am

You feel the way you feel. And as you said you regret it, or "you have to live with it" so I don't think you feel abortion is the best thing, you're just trying to passify what you did. But that's my opinion.

I guess it's wrong for me to feel that babies deserve to live. That every life is precious, and there is reason for us to bring them into the world. So i'm sorry.

Jennifer Laughing


like I said, I understand you did what you did (for you), but I also don't think that girls coming in here should just get the positive on what they feel they may have to do, because there are "real" people out there that will critisize them. They need to see both sides.
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Julie B

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Posted: 10-22-03 10:18am

Hi jennifer,

i did not say that I regret it. Yes, it is a fact that I have to live with it; any person can make this statement. Yet again, you are using your opinion to rectify what you believe I feel, by claiming that I don't think abortion was the best thing and that I am trying to passify my action. You then close that paragraph by stating that that is your opinion. I stated that "i feel bad, in a way" and that is because I am a human being, with feelings (with a conscience)! I have no regrets....


The purpose of my post jennifer; was to politely ask posters not to impose their opinions, without the true facts. You seem to have missed this point and have imposed your opinion on me! Let's say that I was easily led, and not strong minded. Now, when I posted on this thread, and even now, I am confident in my own mind that I made the right decision and I have no regrets whatsoever (feeling bad, is just an emotion). You however, have replied to me by saying that I am just pacifying what I did. I feel that you are playing with people’s minds and are wanting to impose a feeling of guilt on people who opt for that decision and are confident that the decision made was right. I am strong-minded, and therefore your comment will of course, have no effect on me.

No need to apologise for your views in that unborn/undeveloped deserve a chance to live. That is your view and I respect that. You must understand and appreciate that not all people share your views. We are after all individuals, with our own views and opinions on life. I totally agree that life is precious, and that in order to bring a new life in this world, one must firstly treasure and respect their own life, by that I mean be confident that it is the right time and that the best can be provided.

I don't quite understand your point contained within your last paragraph in that you claim that there are "real" people out there who will criticize. What is a "real" person is it, in your opinion people who are totally against abortion? You also state that you feel girls should not just get the 'positive' view. I posted, as I feel that women who said it was okay in this thread, and not to feel guilty, simply got bombarded with biased opinions. I agree with you in that that the needy girls should receive both points of view, so we should respect each other’s opinions, and only criticize in a constructive manner.

Kind regards,
julie
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insurancegirl

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Posted: 10-22-03 11:03am

As real people, I meant people in real life (not that we are not). However, these girls will encounter other people on the street, and especially at the abortion clinic, that will literally hate them and will let them know it. I would do that but I feel they go too far. I just wish people who had sex would have enough mind to know what it can create. And as said before this is the meaning of sex, it is to reproduce. No other animal has abortions, so why are we so cruel. This is what I meant.

Good luck in everything and god bless,

jennifer
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Julie B

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Posted: 10-23-03 07:16am

Dare I ask "have you had an abortion"? I guarantee that the staff were (caps) very very supportive at the clinic and hospital I attended. They gave me a counselling session before-hand, to entrust support and ensure that I was positive of the decision. I did not encounter anyone hating me or letting me know it! Once again, I feel you are putting an 'unnecessary fear factor' into the minds of those that may opt for an obortion or attend a clinic for support or guidance.

The meaning of sex is not just to re-produce, it is a symbol of love between a couple, whether it be between male and female, 2 guys or 2 guys... A symbol of love......

If you have had an abortion, then your views and opinions will be (caps) valid and have meaning on this thread. I believe the pupose pf this thread should be for support. If not, then please do not oppose your 'believes' and what you preach on others.

I glad we have kept our discusison amicable.

Regards,
julie
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insurancegirl

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Posted: 10-23-03 08:57am

Because I would never do that, and i've been with a friend when she "wanted" to do it. However, once everything was explained she was kind enough to her baby and didn't let that mean stuff happen to it. Ya know when they talk about scooping it out and that. I feel my opinion holds as much value as yours does. However, no one will ever get through to you, so my posts with you are done.

Have a nice life.

Jennifer Laughing
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SimplyMe

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Posted: 10-23-03 13:30pm

Jennifer,

i commend you for never having and never planning to have an abortion. But since you have never had an abortion, you have no concept of the mental and emotional trauma a woman or young girl experiences due to one. It’s one thing to see someone go through it, but to experience it yourself is something totally different. Yes, I agree, a female should understand the consequences of having sex. But you don’t live their lives and you don’t know their circumstances. I have a question for you, when you talked your friend out of having an abortion, were you as belligerent to her as you have been during your posts in this forum? I honestly doubt it. As i’ve said before, everyone has a right to their own opinion which makes us our own person. But it’s not your opinion that i, myself, see as the problem. It’s the way you come across. You’re words do not help a female who has had an abortion in any way shape or form. They already feel guilty and upset, yet you feel the need to add insult to injury. The deed is done, so why not be supportive. So I would have to agree with julie b, the females who have an abortion or are considering an abortion should be supported by those who post a message. It’s not to say you can not state how you feel in regards to abortions, but it would be nice to do it in a constructive manner. Some of those who post messages have no one they can confide in, so they come here for advice and understanding. You may not understand some of the choices people make in their lives, but try to understand some people are alone in this world.

You also stated, “no other animal has abortions, so why are we so cruel.” well the answer is god only gave us freewill. He gave us the ability to make our own choices in our life be it right or wrong. It’s up to each individual to make the right decision not you for them.


God bless,

carol
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Posted: 10-31-03 19:16pm

Actually, i'd love to talk about the truth. The truth is homicide in any way or form is wrong! Sad

how could someone color it in pink and make it as a solution? It is not a solution. The thing is, if you feel like you can't take care of a baby or feel like you are too young, than why did you not think that before you did what you did to get pregnant?

God help me, I am not trying to be mean, but why does abortion seem diffrent than actually going up to someone actually killing them? This is much more worse. This innocent child who did nothing is getting their arms and legs torn apart and this is a solution?

The truth might as well come out. People need to know what is going to happen before they do something they will regret later. I am sorry, but to those who think that killing a baby is not going to be a regret must be lost right at this moment.

There is always giving up the child for adoption. Or just raise it. Why do people make children sound like a disease? They are a blessing. Crying
or Very sad
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Kaleoe001

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Posted: 10-31-03 19:16pm

Actually, i'd love to talk about the truth. The truth is homicide in any way or form is wrong! Sad

how could someone color it in pink and make it as a solution? It is not a solution. The thing is, if you feel like you can't take care of a baby or feel like you are too young, than why did you not think that before you did what you did to get pregnant?

God help me, I am not trying to be mean, but why does abortion seem diffrent than actually going up to someone actually killing them? This is much more worse. This innocent child who did nothing is getting their arms and legs torn apart and this is a solution?

The truth might as well come out. People need to know what is going to happen before they do something they will regret later. I am sorry, but to those who think that killing a baby is not going to be a regret must be lost right at this moment.

There is always giving up the child for adoption. Or just raise it. Why do people make children sound like a disease? They are a blessing. Crying
or Very sad
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Kaleoe001

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Posted: 10-31-03 19:40pm

Dont people know there are better alteranatives such as getting help from the government or giving the child up for adoption? You can also fight for child support. Who cares if a child's father isn't around as long as he has a parent that loves him and raises him well.

Geesh! Crying
or Very sad I was 15 and pregnant and I have 5 kids now. I have never been financially ready. The dad of my first child was horrible with me. He begged me to get an abortion. He called me all the names you can think of. He though he could really get me to do it.

My mother did not even know that I was having relations with my boyfriend. She was terrified and angry to find that not only did I lose my virginity but I was young and pregnant.

I cried and was so sad, but deep down inside, I knew there was a beautiful child inside of me, not knowing what was going on and not to be blamed for what anyone had done. Children are a gift from god. They are not a curse. God always provides. Always!

Please don't take this as a judgment for anyone, but please have a heart. If not for yourself, have a heart for a child who is living inside of a mothers womb who knows not wrong or right, who feeds through the cord and snuggles up in the belly and hears the loving sound of his mothers heart, who hiccups and kicks and feels safe within the mother's womb not believing for a minute that their own mother would allow harm to be done to them.

Please, understand why we/us who don't agree with abortion. How can a decision be to kill? Please answer that. How can you allow a child to get killed? Is it because you cannot see them that it makes it ok? Crying
or Very sad

i pray that everyone can get an understanding on this.

God bless you all!
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Posted: 11-01-03 00:17am

I am a male, so obviously I cannot have an abortion, but my girlfriend of 7 years had one with out telling me...And I can tell you that it brought me to tears when she told me. I still grieve over it when I meditate on it for too long. To think that my child, flesh of my flesh was snuffed out, with out even given a chance at life... I told her that she could have at least had the baby and I would have raised him/her myself. I feel that, if you cannot deal with the consequences of having unprotected sex, then don't have sex unprotected! Abortion should only be an option when a woman is raped, or if the birth of the baby will kill the mother...Any other situation is non-excusable no matter what your circumstance is...They have something now called adoption
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Posted: 11-03-03 19:14pm

Lawrence you seem like a great person! My friend went through the same thing and he left the girl. He couldnt deal with it.
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Posted: 09-18-04 08:52am

Do realize the how high the percentage is of father's who sexually, mentally abuse their children and partners? Maybe you should be better father's first.

Go to abortion debate forum
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Posted: 09-18-04 11:08am

Gee, maybe you're the one with violent tendencies-suggesting women should be killed for abortion? Wow--you're really evolved.
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Posted: 09-19-04 04:07am

How is violence against women who have an abortion o.K.,but having the abortion not??Just curious.Patty
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Posted: 09-20-04 22:28pm

Julieb you are so right! I have worked in a hospital that did abortions, I have never seen arms and legs ripped off and the fetus being scooped out, I am not saying that it does not happen! I have seen babies beaten and abused and neglected that would have been better off being aborted, what about the babies being born from drug addicted mother's that have to be detoxed, half of them never make it or are never o.K., and what about babies being born with half of their internal organ's missing, or young girl's getting pregnant just to get in the system. When you see what I have seen then you understand about being pro-choice!
It is time to get back and be supportive and understanding of the girls or women that have decided to have an abortion, not to bash them all to heck.
Accidents do happen!
I do realize most of this are old posts, but I did want to put in my nickels worth.
Sincerely,
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Posted: 09-21-04 07:07am

"you however, have replied to me by saying that I am just pacifying what I did. I feel that you are playing with people’s minds and are wanting to impose a feeling of guilt on people who opt for that decision and are confident that the decision made was right. "

i just curious, would you do same again if you could go back into time?

Would you do abortion on other person if you were doctor?
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