For anyone who seems to think I am a
horrible person, i'm not a horrible person
I did a horrible thing and trust me noone
hates me more then myself for doing it so
nothing anyone is going to say will hurt
my feelings, trust me I am paying for it
if it makes you feel better!!!
I am also not saying the fathers are the
only ones to blaim, but yes for my son I
was with the man for a long time, he was
an problem, he was never there for us,
never gave us a cent, and I was with him
untill randon was 7 months old, he has
seen him about 20 times sense he was born.
I don't want him in randon's life, he
brings nothing but pain. This last time I
wanted to give the baby up for adoption.
My boyfriend told me if he was going to
have a baby out there he was going to have
it and I could have nothing to do with it.
He is a rich man and I am sure it would
be possible, I could never let that happen
because he is not a very nice man. I felt
trapped and I didn't know what else to do.
I was also only 4 to 5 weeks along.
I know what I did was wrong but I am a
nice person, I love my son to death, tell
me how I could put another child through
what I already put my son through.
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insurancegirl
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I'm Just Saying, Posted: 10-20-03 13:41pm
I don't think that your son's life is that
bad. He gets to eat, sleep, breath, and
see the light of day everyday. I don't
think anyone should have the choice to
play the role of god. These children are
our future. However, I understand you
made the choice you made and you can't
change it back. I feel that everyone
deserves a chance, and you certainly
deserve a second. Good luck in
everything.
Jennifer
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SimplyMe
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Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Location: Pennsylvania
Reply: to All Posted: 10-21-03 23:05pm
Wow, this post is sure a roller coaster
ride. Well, like the saying goes,
"opinions are like as*holes, everyone has
one." please don't be offended, I do not
mean to call anyone an as*hole who has
posted a message. It's just a saying.
But I do have my opinion.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion,
just like everyone has a right to live
their life as they see fit. What may be
a right decision for me is a wrong
decision for someone else. I personally
had an abortion at the age of 15; an
abortion I live with every day of my life.
So what people say about those who had
an abortion, such as you were wrong, mean,
evil, etc, isn't something I haven't said
to myself one time or another. At that
point in my life, I was living with my
sisters who were single parents themselves
and could barely make ends meet. I
decided to have an abortion and cried
through the whole procedure. Afterwards,
I intentional got pregnant two more times
(in my youthful mind believing I could
make up for the one I killed), but
miscarried both. By the age of 20, I
bore two beautiful girls who are now 8 and
10 years old. I have the joy of watching
them transform into their own person.
It's truly amazing. I can't go back and
change the fact that I had an abortion and
no one can hurt me with words more than I
have already hurt myself with my own
actions. I may not have given my unborn
child the chance to live which I will pay
for on judgement day. But I have come to
realize that I wouldn't be where I am
today if I hadn't had the abortion. I
would never have met my husband who has
taken on the responsibility of raising my
two girls. They haven't seen their
biological father since they were 1 1/2
and 4 months. Everything in life happens
for a reason and realize life is not a
fairy tale; everyone doesn't always have a
happy ending. What may work for you,
will not work for someone else. After
experiencing the heartache of killing my
child, I am pro-life for myself and
pro-choice for everyone else. The reason
I say this is because I am not responsible
for your life and sins as you are not
responsible for mine. So let people live
their life and deal with the consequences
of their actions. Let them learn from
their mistakes as you have learned from
yours. Someone shoving their opinion
down another persons throat, especially a
teenager, will get you nowhere. It's
better to intelligently speak to someone
considering an abortion than criticize,
because if you criticize it will go in one
ear and out the other.
So to all those who has had an abortion,
ask for forgiveness, because you can not
change the past. Learn and live for the
future. To all those who chose not to
have an abortion and weathered the storm,
more power to you. May the lord bless
you for being so strong. And to all
those who are considering an abortion, I
pray that you make the right decision.
The life you have within you is more
precious than gold and is something you
can never get back. You have a gift in
the palm of your hands that, even if you
believe it or not, will give you more joy
than you could ever imagine. If hearing
the death of a child is heartbreaking and
you feel is wrong, think of the unborn
child living and breathing within you.
Ask yourself: what is the difference?
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Julie B
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Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 3 Location: London
Posted: 10-22-03 08:15am
Hi,
i enetered this forum, not to look-up
abortion, but for something else. I saw
the abortion thread and felt that it may
be interesting to see the views of other
people alike who have been through this
(for people who have been through this, it
is never forgotton). I was very
disappointed to read the text contained.
I totally agree that everyone is entitled
to their own opinion and to make their own
jugdement and decision based on their own
personal circumstances at that time. I
am of course speaking from experience! I
also agree with someone who posted (i
forget the name) that if women entered
this forum for some support as to what
decision they should make, then this
thread is totally out of order and should
not even be here. Most people who have
posted are totally biased. This really
makes me angry. Those of you posting in
this way should not impose your opinions
on others, by claiming that women who make
the decision to have an abortion makes
them sick. I still feel bad, in a way,
but I am positive in my own mind that I
made the totally right decision. I only
feel bad that the contraception pill let
me down and made me go through this. Yes
I agree that women who do not use
contraception and use abortion or the
morning after pill as a form of birth
control are wrong, but some like myself
fall pregnant whilst taking contraception.
So does that not tell those of you who
are biased that a child was not wanted at
that time, for their own reasons.
I will close by saying that this sort of
forum should offer support and biased
opinions should be kept to yourselves!!!
By the way, I am 27, have a great career
ahead of me. I have been with my only
partner since the age of 15, so i'm sure
those of you with biased opinions will
have something to say about that!!,but
keep it to yourself, and keep this thread
here for support and guidance purposes.
For the people who have entered who are in
a predicament at the momemt..... I can
only say that if you do have family or
friends that you can entrust in, please
talk with them for support, or pm me or
others you feel that or not biased. I
come from a very large family. At the
time I had an abortion, I did not want to
tell my mum as she loves kids. I
eventually told my mum (as we are very
close, I am lucky) and she was totally
supportive and understood mine and my
partners reasons at that moment of time in
our life, this of course has given me the
support I need and most importantly the
reassurance I needed therefater that I did
not perform a bad act in the eyes of god!
We did what was right at that time, and
that is the important factor...Right at
that time.
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insurancegirl
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I Feel the Way I Feel, Posted: 10-22-03 09:25am
You feel the way you feel. And as you
said you regret it, or "you have to live
with it" so I don't think you feel
abortion is the best thing, you're just
trying to passify what you did. But
that's my opinion.
I guess it's wrong for me to feel that
babies deserve to live. That every life
is precious, and there is reason for us to
bring them into the world. So i'm
sorry.
Jennifer
like I said, I understand you did what you
did (for you), but I also don't think that
girls coming in here should just get the
positive on what they feel they may have
to do, because there are "real" people out
there that will critisize them. They
need to see both sides.
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Julie B
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Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 3 Location: London
Posted: 10-22-03 10:18am
Hi jennifer,
i did not say that I regret it. Yes, it
is a fact that I have to live with it; any
person can make this statement. Yet
again, you are using your opinion to
rectify what you believe I feel, by
claiming that I don't think abortion was
the best thing and that I am trying to
passify my action. You then close that
paragraph by stating that that is your
opinion. I stated that "i feel bad, in a
way" and that is because I am a human
being, with feelings (with a conscience)!
I have no regrets....
The purpose of my post jennifer; was to
politely ask posters not to impose their
opinions, without the true facts. You
seem to have missed this point and have
imposed your opinion on me! Let's say
that I was easily led, and not strong
minded. Now, when I posted on this
thread, and even now, I am confident in my
own mind that I made the right decision
and I have no regrets whatsoever (feeling
bad, is just an emotion). You however,
have replied to me by saying that I am
just pacifying what I did. I feel that
you are playing with people’s minds
and are wanting to impose a feeling of
guilt on people who opt for that decision
and are confident that the decision made
was right. I am strong-minded, and
therefore your comment will of course,
have no effect on me.
No need to apologise for your views in
that unborn/undeveloped deserve a chance
to live. That is your view and I respect
that. You must understand and appreciate
that not all people share your views. We
are after all individuals, with our own
views and opinions on life. I totally
agree that life is precious, and that in
order to bring a new life in this world,
one must firstly treasure and respect
their own life, by that I mean be
confident that it is the right time and
that the best can be provided.
I don't quite understand your point
contained within your last paragraph in
that you claim that there are "real"
people out there who will criticize.
What is a "real" person is it, in your
opinion people who are totally against
abortion? You also state that you feel
girls should not just get the 'positive'
view. I posted, as I feel that women who
said it was okay in this thread, and not
to feel guilty, simply got bombarded with
biased opinions. I agree with you in
that that the needy girls should receive
both points of view, so we should respect
each other’s opinions, and only
criticize in a constructive manner.
Kind regards,
julie
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insurancegirl
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What I Meant... Posted: 10-22-03 11:03am
As real people, I meant people in real
life (not that we are not). However,
these girls will encounter other people on
the street, and especially at the abortion
clinic, that will literally hate them and
will let them know it. I would do that
but I feel they go too far. I just wish
people who had sex would have enough mind
to know what it can create. And as said
before this is the meaning of sex, it is
to reproduce. No other animal has
abortions, so why are we so cruel. This
is what I meant.
Good luck in everything and god bless,
jennifer
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Julie B
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 3 Location: London
Posted: 10-23-03 07:16am
Dare I ask "have you had an abortion"? I
guarantee that the staff were (caps) very
very supportive at the clinic and hospital
I attended. They gave me a counselling
session before-hand, to entrust support
and ensure that I was positive of the
decision. I did not encounter anyone
hating me or letting me know it! Once
again, I feel you are putting an
'unnecessary fear factor' into the minds
of those that may opt for an obortion or
attend a clinic for support or guidance.
The meaning of sex is not just to
re-produce, it is a symbol of love between
a couple, whether it be between male and
female, 2 guys or 2 guys... A symbol of
love......
If you have had an abortion, then your
views and opinions will be (caps) valid
and have meaning on this thread. I
believe the pupose pf this thread should
be for support. If not, then please do
not oppose your 'believes' and what you
preach on others.
I glad we have kept our discusison
amicable.
Regards,
julie
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insurancegirl
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No I Haven't, Posted: 10-23-03 08:57am
Because I would never do that, and i've
been with a friend when she "wanted" to do
it. However, once everything was
explained she was kind enough to her baby
and didn't let that mean stuff happen to
it. Ya know when they talk about
scooping it out and that. I feel my
opinion holds as much value as yours does.
However, no one will ever get through to
you, so my posts with you are done.
Have a nice life.
Jennifer
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SimplyMe
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Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Location: Pennsylvania
Reply to Jennifer Posted: 10-23-03 13:30pm
Jennifer,
i commend you for never having and never
planning to have an abortion. But since
you have never had an abortion, you have
no concept of the mental and emotional
trauma a woman or young girl experiences
due to one. It’s one thing to see
someone go through it, but to experience
it yourself is something totally
different. Yes, I agree, a female should
understand the consequences of having sex.
But you don’t live their lives and you
don’t know their circumstances. I have a
question for you, when you talked your
friend out of having an abortion, were you
as belligerent to her as you have been
during your posts in this forum? I
honestly doubt it. As i’ve said before,
everyone has a right to their own opinion
which makes us our own person. But it’s
not your opinion that i, myself, see as
the problem. It’s the way you come
across. You’re words do not help a
female who has had an abortion in any way
shape or form. They already feel guilty
and upset, yet you feel the need to add
insult to injury. The deed is done, so
why not be supportive. So I would have
to agree with julie b, the females who
have an abortion or are considering an
abortion should be supported by those who
post a message. It’s not to say you can
not state how you feel in regards to
abortions, but it would be nice to do it
in a constructive manner. Some of those
who post messages have no one they can
confide in, so they come here for advice
and understanding. You may not
understand some of the choices people make
in their lives, but try to understand some
people are alone in this world.
You also stated, “no other animal has
abortions, so why are we so cruel.” well
the answer is god only gave us freewill.
He gave us the ability to make our own
choices in our life be it right or wrong.
It’s up to each individual to make the
right decision not you for them.
God bless,
carol
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Kaleoe001
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Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Location: Hawaii
I'd Love to Hear About the Truth! Posted: 10-31-03 19:16pm
Actually, i'd love to talk about the
truth. The truth is homicide in any way
or form is wrong!
how could someone color it in pink and
make it as a solution? It is not a
solution. The thing is, if you feel like
you can't take care of a baby or feel like
you are too young, than why did you not
think that before you did what you did to
get pregnant?
God help me, I am not trying to be mean,
but why does abortion seem diffrent than
actually going up to someone actually
killing them? This is much more worse.
This innocent child who did nothing is
getting their arms and legs torn apart and
this is a solution?
The truth might as well come out. People
need to know what is going to happen
before they do something they will regret
later. I am sorry, but to those who
think that killing a baby is not going to
be a regret must be lost right at this
moment.
There is always giving up the child for
adoption. Or just raise it. Why do
people make children sound like a disease?
They are a blessing.
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Kaleoe001
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Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Location: Hawaii
I'd Love to Hear About the Truth! Posted: 10-31-03 19:16pm
Actually, i'd love to talk about the
truth. The truth is homicide in any way
or form is wrong!
how could someone color it in pink and
make it as a solution? It is not a
solution. The thing is, if you feel like
you can't take care of a baby or feel like
you are too young, than why did you not
think that before you did what you did to
get pregnant?
God help me, I am not trying to be mean,
but why does abortion seem diffrent than
actually going up to someone actually
killing them? This is much more worse.
This innocent child who did nothing is
getting their arms and legs torn apart and
this is a solution?
The truth might as well come out. People
need to know what is going to happen
before they do something they will regret
later. I am sorry, but to those who
think that killing a baby is not going to
be a regret must be lost right at this
moment.
There is always giving up the child for
adoption. Or just raise it. Why do
people make children sound like a disease?
They are a blessing.
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Kaleoe001
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Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 4 Location: Hawaii
I Dont Understand... Posted: 10-31-03 19:40pm
Dont people know there are better
alteranatives such as getting help from
the government or giving the child up for
adoption? You can also fight for child
support. Who cares if a child's father
isn't around as long as he has a parent
that loves him and raises him well.
Geesh! I was
15 and pregnant and I have 5 kids now. I
have never been financially ready. The
dad of my first child was horrible with
me. He begged me to get an abortion.
He called me all the names you can think
of. He though he could really get me to
do it.
My mother did not even know that I was
having relations with my boyfriend. She
was terrified and angry to find that not
only did I lose my virginity but I was
young and pregnant.
I cried and was so sad, but deep down
inside, I knew there was a beautiful child
inside of me, not knowing what was going
on and not to be blamed for what anyone
had done. Children are a gift from god.
They are not a curse. God always
provides. Always!
Please don't take this as a judgment for
anyone, but please have a heart. If not
for yourself, have a heart for a child who
is living inside of a mothers womb who
knows not wrong or right, who feeds
through the cord and snuggles up in the
belly and hears the loving sound of his
mothers heart, who hiccups and kicks and
feels safe within the mother's womb not
believing for a minute that their own
mother would allow harm to be done to
them.
Please, understand why we/us who don't
agree with abortion. How can a decision
be to kill? Please answer that. How
can you allow a child to get killed? Is
it because you cannot see them that it
makes it ok?
i pray that everyone can get an
understanding on this.
God bless you all!
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LAWRENCE
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I Agree With Insurancegirl On Everything Posted: 11-01-03 00:17am
I am a male, so obviously I cannot have an
abortion, but my girlfriend of 7 years had
one with out telling me...And I can tell
you that it brought me to tears when she
told me. I still grieve over it when I
meditate on it for too long. To think
that my child, flesh of my flesh was
snuffed out, with out even given a chance
at life... I told her that she could have
at least had the baby and I would have
raised him/her myself. I feel that, if
you cannot deal with the consequences of
having unprotected sex, then don't have
sex unprotected! Abortion should only be
an option when a woman is raped, or if the
birth of the baby will kill the
mother...Any other situation is
non-excusable no matter what your
circumstance is...They have something now
called adoption
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nikki_caro
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Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 4921 Location: Right here at work!
Posted: 11-03-03 19:14pm
Lawrence you seem like a great person! My
friend went through the same thing and he
left the girl. He couldnt deal with it.
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aanifant
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 101 Location: Galway
Posted: 09-18-04 08:52am
Do realize the how high the percentage is
of father's who sexually, mentally abuse
their children and partners? Maybe you
should be better father's first.
Go to abortion debate forum
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aanifant
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 101 Location: Galway
Posted: 09-18-04 11:08am
Gee, maybe you're the one with violent
tendencies-suggesting women should be
killed for abortion? Wow--you're really
evolved.
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PattyV
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Posted: 09-19-04 04:07am
How is violence against women who have an
abortion o.K.,but having the abortion
not??Just curious.Patty
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sandyallen
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Posted: 09-20-04 22:28pm
Julieb you are so right! I have worked
in a hospital that did abortions, I have
never seen arms and legs ripped off and
the fetus being scooped out, I am not
saying that it does not happen! I have
seen babies beaten and abused and
neglected that would have been better off
being aborted, what about the babies being
born from drug addicted mother's that have
to be detoxed, half of them never make it
or are never o.K., and what about babies
being born with half of their internal
organ's missing, or young girl's getting
pregnant just to get in the system.
When you see what I have seen then you
understand about being pro-choice!
It is time to get back and be supportive
and understanding of the girls or women
that have decided to have an abortion, not
to bash them all to heck.
Accidents do happen!
I do realize most of this are old posts,
but I did want to put in my nickels
worth.
Sincerely,
sandy
"you however, have replied to me by saying
that I am just pacifying what I did. I
feel that you are playing with people’s
minds and are wanting to impose a feeling
of guilt on people who opt for that
decision and are confident that the
decision made was right. "
i just curious, would you do same again if
you could go back into time?
Would you do abortion on other person if
you were doctor?