Message For Those In "trouble" Posted: 11-12-04 18:38pm
If you coud talk with the three hebrew
children about their experiences with the
lord in the fiery furnace, perhaps they
would describe it this way:
"the fire was all around us. Our clothes
were ablaze , yet amazingly , our skin was
untouched. We had no idea what was going
on. Then something moved among the ashes;
we were not alone.
Suddenly out of the smoke came a shining,
gleaming person! We never got his name;
he never said it, he never said anything.
But just knowing he was there brought such
comfort. His presence protected us in the
midst of the crisis.
Now, we do not mean to say that the fire
went out or that the heat was reduced. No
it still burned, but the brightness of the
falmes were eclipsed by the brightness of
his presance.
We never saw him again; he showed up only
when we needed him. One thing is sure
however, looking back we are glad they
dragged us from the presance of the wicked
king into the presance of the righteous
one!"
are you walking through a fiery trial
today? If so you are not alone - god is
with you, take courage! When he brings
you out you will know him better and trust
him more
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 11-12-04 18:56pm
How can we be sure jesus' death was not
just the passing of another man? Well for
starters his death fullfilled 29 different
prophesies. Discussing the odds of that
happening, mathamtician peter stoner drwas
this analogy: "cover the entire state of
texas two feet deep in silver dollors
place a mark on one . Now what is the
possiblity of a person choosing that
marked dollor on their first atttempt."
that is the likelyhood of fulfilling just
eight prophesies in an entire lifetime...
Jesus fulfilled 29 in just one day!
Here are some of them. "he was wonded for
our transgressions , bruised for our
iniquities" "by his stripes we are healed"
"they peirced my hands and feet" "they
devided my garments and cast lots" "in
that day I will make the sun go down at
noon and darken the earth in daylight"
jesus was not the victim of circumstances
- he was the arranger of them! He planned
and orchestrated every event including
judas' betrayal, the high priests
hypocrisy and peters denial. Why? "so
that what the prophets wrote would come
true" wow you can trust what he says!
He can change your situation. His word
says he is... "able to do immeasurably
more than we ask or imagine" did you get
that?
What seems imposible to us, is all in a
days work for him.
So put your trust in him and he will
protect you durring that fiery trial
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Heathergirl
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Michigan
Posted: 12-01-04 20:03pm
I think I love you. thanks for your
posts.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-01-04 20:16pm
Very nice, if you believe izzy's
interpretation of the bible.
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Heathergirl
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Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Michigan
Posted: 12-01-04 20:21pm
I would hope everyone agreed with her.
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Moira
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Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-01-04 20:30pm
Well, they don't.
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briz77
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Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 00:10am
I have decided that izzy knows what shes
talking about and moira, there
will never be an argument strong enough to
justify abortion and taking the life of
another...Sorry.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 12-02-04 00:10am
heathergirl
wrote:
i would hope everyone agreed
with her.
izzy's post is blabbering
nonsense. It is causing serious harm to
the credibility of the rest of us
christians.
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justacanadiangirl
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Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 1803
Posted: 12-02-04 01:26am
And what for those of us who were not
raised going to church and believing in
god?
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 12-02-04 05:40am
Steen you sir are doing much more damage
to christianity than I ever could.
The fact you are in favor of women having
abortions is counter to christianity - to
those who do not know this you are
bringing christianity into disrepute.
But then again I doubt very much that you
are a christian but rather are pretending
to be in order to lead the flock of the
good shepherd astray... You dont fool
me
"beware of false prophets who come to you
in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are
ravaging wolves. "
"i'm sending you out like lambs among
wolves"
"i know that after my departure savage
wolves will come in among you, not sparing
the flock."
i know you steen.... I know you by your
fruit!
"in the same way, every good tree produces
good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad
fruit. "
"a good tree can't produce bad fruit;
neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
"
"every tree that doesn't produce good
fruit is cut down and thrown into the
fire. "
"even now the ax is ready to strike the
root of the trees! Therefore, every tree
that doesn't produce good fruit will be
cut down and thrown into the fire."
"so you'll recognize them by their
fruit."
steen I recomend if you want to keep any
credibility you keep off the subject of
religion... I am way way to wise for you
in this department!
But if you think you can - lets get it on!
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-02-04 07:21am
briz77
wrote:
i have decided that izzy
knows what shes talking about and moira, there
will never be an argument strong enough to
justify abortion and taking the life of
another...Sorry.
and which of her incoherent paranoid
babblings made you think she knows what
she's on about?
Plus, you have yet to prove that a fetus
is a person or that a woman should lose
her right to bodily autonomy.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 12-02-04 10:36am
Briz how about self defense. That is
what abortion is to those who don't want
to gestate.. Self defense. Do you agree
with homicide if your life is in danger by
that person? If your legally allowed to
kill a born person if they put your life
in danger than why not an "unborn"?
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briz77
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Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 20:01pm
bd1012
wrote:
briz how about self defense.
That is what abortion is to those who
don't want to gestate.. Self defense.
Do you agree with not a nice act if your
life is in danger by that person? If
your legally allowed to kill a born person
if they put your life in danger than why
not an
"unborn"?
lets take a look here at the meaning of
the word self-defense. By law, the
definition is this "by law. The right to
protect oneself against violence or
threatened violence with whatever force or
means are reasonably necessary." except in
the rare case that the mothers life is in
danger, there is no threatened or actual
violence from the unborn to the expectant
mother so therefore you can not
intellegently argue that abortion is an
act of self defense. Also, yes, you are
allowed to defend yourself against a
person commiting a violent act toward you,
which can be considered a wrong doing or a
sin, but if im not mistaken, which im not,
the unborn are unable to commit a violent
act and are innocent, or born without sin
or wrongs. Thats why! That was an
exceptionally dim-witted analogy.
Thank you
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briz77
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Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 20:17pm
People often ask the question "when does
an embryo or fetus become human?" this is
an important question, as the killing of a
human is homicide. Fetuses and embryos
actually are biologically complete
individual humans from the moment of
conception. However during the pregnancy
fetuses develop in the human form.
Development occurs much more rapidly than
most people realize, and the fetus
eventually gains the ability to live
without its mother during the late second
trimester.
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 20:30pm
"this new single-cell human being
immediately produces specifically human
proteins and enzymes11 (not carrot or frog
enzymes and proteins), and genetically
directs his/her own growth and
development. (in fact, this genetic
growth and development has been proven not
to be directed by the mother.)12 finally,
this new human being — the single-cell
human zygote — is biologically an
individual, a living organism — an
individual member of the human species."
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 20:35pm
"myth 2: "the product of fertilization is
simply a 'blob,' a 'bunch of cells', a
'piece of the mother's tissues'."
fact 2: as demonstrated above, the human
embryonic organism formed at fertilization
is a whole human being, and therefore it
is not just a "blob" or a "bunch of
cells." this new human individual also
has a mixture of both the mother's and the
father's chromosomes, and therefore it is
not just a "piece of the mother's
tissues". Quoting carlson:
"... [t]hrough the mingling of maternal
and paternal chromosomes, the zygote is a
genetically unique product of chromosomal
reassortment, which is important for the
viability of any species."15 (emphasis
added.)
myth 3: "the immediate product of
fertilization is just a 'potential' or a
'possible' human being — not a real
existing human being."
fact 3: as demonstrated above,
scientifically there is absolutely no
question whatsoever that the immediate
product of fertilization is a newly
existing human being. A human zygote is
a human being. It is not a "potential"
or a "possible" human being. It's an
actual human being — with the potential to
grow bigger and develop its capacities.
Myth 4: "a single-cell human zygote, or
embryo, or fetus are not human beings,
because they do not look like human
beings."
fact 4: as all human embryologists know, a
single-cell human zygote, or a more
developed human embryo, or human fetus is
a human being — and that that's the way
they are supposed to look at those
particular periods of development.
Myth 5: "the immediate product of
fertilization is just an 'it' — it is
neither a girl nor a boy."
fact 5: the immediate product of
fertilization is genetically already a
girl or a boy — determined by the kind of
sperm that fertilizes the oocyte.
Quoting carlson again:
"...[t]he sex of the future embryo is
determined by the chromosomal complement
of the spermatozoon. (if the sperm
contains 22 autosomes and 2 x chromosomes,
the embryo will be a genetic female, and
if it contains 22 autosomes and an x and a
y chromosome, the embryo will be a genetic
male.)"16"
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: California
Posted: 12-02-04 20:43pm
Im going to a cool play now, so I will be
back in a while!
Yay for evidence that proves the unborn
are human!!!!!!!!!
Good night
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 12-02-04 23:34pm
izzy
wrote:
steen you sir are doing much
more damage to christianity than I ever
could.
<snort> take a
hike, misogynistic troll.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 12-02-04 23:40pm
briz77
wrote:
lets take a look here at the
meaning of the word self-defense. By
law, the definition is this "by
law.
heh, "by law," abortion
is a legal medical procedure, case
closed.
Quote:
the right to
protect oneself against violence or
threatened violence with whatever force or
means are reasonably necessary." except in
the rare case that the mothers life is in
danger, there is no threatened or actual
violence from the unborn to the expectant
mother so therefore you can not
intellegently argue that abortion is an
act of self
defense.
given that unauthorized
use of one's bodily resources against
one's will is assault, it is violence.
Case closed.
Quote:
also, yes, you
are allowed to defend yourself against a
person commiting a violent act toward you,
which can be considered a wrong doing or a
sin,
well, thank you for that
admission (btw, there is no concept of
"sin" in the law, as that is a religious
construct, not a legal one.)
Quote:
but if im not
mistaken, which im
not,
yes you are, lots of
times including now.
Quote:
the unborn are
unable to commit a violent act and are
innocent, or born without sin or
wrongs.
nonsense. It is as much
committing assault as does a parasite
which we remove without qualms. Your
silly irrelevant claims about "sin" have
no bearing here.
Quote:
thats why! That
was an exceptionally dim-witted
analogy.
the analogy was good, but
your answer was exceptionally dim-witted.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 12-02-04 23:43pm
briz77
wrote:
people often ask the
question "when does an embryo or fetus
become human?" this is an important
question, as the killing of a human is
homicide.
another
misrepresentation. The illegal killing
of a person is homicide. Otherwise,
f.Ex. Capital punishment is homicide.
Now, m* is a legal term, and as such, the
legal definition is what matters.
Quote:
fetuses and
embryos actually are biologically complete
individual humans from the moment of
conception.
what an utter and
complete lie.
Quote:
however during
the pregnancy fetuses develop in the human
form.
and so what?
Quote:
development
occurs much more rapidly than most people
realize, and the fetus eventually gains
the ability to live without its mother
during the late second
trimester.
ah, so you are saying
that you only object to abortions after
this stage?
thanks for your
posts.
