Low Ph Diet And Drinks Are Potent Gout Triggers Posted: 11-13-04 23:39pm
Lowering of the blood and joint fluid ph,
either gradually or suddenly, can cause
the shedding of the protein coatings on
urate (msu) crystals and trigger gout
attacks. This can be caused by the
intake of acidic and acid forming
substances, or by some other means.
Some known gout triggers are:
* cranberry juice (ph=2.3~2.5),
tomatoes (ph=4~5), dill pickles
(ph=3.2~3.7), cucumbers (ph=5~6) and
carbonated drinks (ph=2~3) -- they are
low in ph.
* aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid),
niacin (nicotinic acid) and alcohol
(metabolizes to co2 thus carbonic acid) --
they are all acids.
* vigorous exercise -- it lowers the
ph at the joints due to the extra
production of lactic acid.
* type 2 diabetes -- due to the lack
of insulin, the body is unable to burn
glucose for fuel. As the consequence,
the body burns fat for fuel and produces
excess amount of ketones, acidic
substance.
* starvation, low carb diet and rapid
weight loss -- the body burns excess
amount of fat and produces too much acidic
ketones.
* injuries, osteoarthritis,
rheumatoid arthritis, tenosynovitis, etc.
-- they cause the deterioration of
tissues at the joints and lowers their
ph.
* emotional stress, serious illness,
hospitalization and surgery -- the
unhealthy states that degrade the joint
fluids and lower their ph.
* sleep -- gout attacks occur most
often at night (12-2 a.M.) because the
stomach stops producing juice in sleep and
causes acid tide in the body.
Keep the body ph up, it prevents gout
attacks.
Last edited by JYY2 on 01-27-05 15:58pm; edited 2 times in total
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peblestone
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 1 Location: South Carolina
Gout Posted: 11-28-04 18:41pm
I have just become a new member this
evening. I want to thank jyy2 for
his advice a month ago about the use of
baking soda for the treatment of
gout. I have been having attacks on my
big toe frequently. My Dr. Prescribed
allopurnoll and colchisine. It wasnt
until I started to use baking soda every
night that I noticed a big improvment I
thought back to a logical conclusion.
When your car battery posts collect acid
on them, you use baking soda
to disolve it. The soda neutraliizes the
uric acid in your blood that causes
your gout. Water is a must. You have to
dilute the uric acid as much as possible.
I talked this over with my Dr. He had no
objections what so ever..
I think this forum is a wonderful way for
each of us to help another by
telling everyone of our own experiences.
With all do respect the dr s dont
know everything.. I also went to your
websight jjy and printed it out, you
are a very learned person.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 11-28-04 19:37pm
Thank you for your kind words. I am very
glad my info is helpful to you.
By the way, baking soda doesn't
"neutralizes the uric acid in your blood
that causes your gout" as you stated. It
increases the solubility of uric acid and
likely dissolves the urate (msu) crystals
at the gout attack sites through
intracellular acidosis -- whatever they
mean; who cares, as long as it works,
doesn't have too bad side effects, and
costs almost nothing. Cheers.
P.S. I don't think doctors would
appreciate your comparing our bodies to
car batteries, and gout to the corroded
battery posts.
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yalsaied
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Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 1 Location: Toronto - Canada
Baking Soda And Gout Posted: 12-24-04 17:34pm
Very helpful hints for a person like me
that for ages battling the gout attacks.
One quick question, what would be the mix
of the baking soda and water that I should
try?
Thanks and happy holidays
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Re: Baking Soda And Gout Posted: 12-25-04 12:49pm
Check with the doctor before trying this.
For the best result, dissolve 1/2
teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of
water and drink it quickly. Take it every
2-4 hours up to a total of 4 teaspoons a
day. In my experience, the most
effective dose is the one taken before
going to bed; second most effect, the one
taken right after getting up in the
morning.
More info about baking soda can be found
at:
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uspdi/202525.Html .
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Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Del Rio, TX. - USA
Thanks For the Advice About Baking Soda ! Posted: 12-12-05 13:49pm
I am almost 60 years old and lately I have
been having gout attacks one after the
other. I have been missing my work and
social commitments and frankly it is no
life having your ankles or knees hurting
all the time and the mobility impaired.
Just lately it was pinpointed that my
problem is gout and not rehumatism. I
will start immediately with the baking
soda advise and it seems to me very
logical and will keep the forum posted. I
just discovered this site browsing the web
and I think it is a great place to read
constructive advise. Thanks. :d
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joeynhia
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 5 Location: Las Vegas
Re: Low Ph Diet And Drinks Are Potent Gout Triggers Posted: 12-12-05 17:19pm
jyy2
wrote:
lowering of the blood and
joint fluid ph, either gradually or
suddenly, can cause the shedding of the
protein coatings on urate (msu) crystals
and trigger gout attacks. This can be
caused by the intake of acidic and acid
forming substances, or by some other
means. Some known gout triggers are:
* cranberry juice (ph=2.3~2.5),
tomatoes (ph=4~5), dill pickles
(ph=3.2~3.7), cucumbers (ph=5~6) and
carbonated drinks (ph=2~3) -- they are
low in ph.
* aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid),
niacin (nicotinic acid) and alcohol
(metabolizes to co2 thus carbonic acid) --
they are all acids.
* vigorous exercise -- it lowers the
ph at the joints due to the extra
production of lactic acid.
* type 2 diabetes -- due to the lack
of insulin, the body is unable to burn
glucose for fuel. As the consequence,
the body burns fat for fuel and produces
excess amount of ketones, acidic
substance.
* starvation, low carb diet and rapid
weight loss -- the body burns excess
amount of fat and produces too much acidic
ketones.
* injuries, osteoarthritis,
rheumatoid arthritis, tenosynovitis, etc.
-- they cause the deterioration of
tissues at the joints and lowers their
ph.
* emotional stress, serious illness,
hospitalization and surgery -- the
unhealthy states that degrade the joint
fluids and lower their ph.
* sleep -- gout attacks occur most
often at night (12-2 a.M.) because the
stomach stops producing juice in sleep and
causes acid tide in the body.
Keep the body ph up, it prevents gout
attacks.
wow! Does that mean I have to stop my
vigorous excercise? Or can I do it safely
to where I can put my ph back up
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 12-12-05 18:09pm
Vigorous exercise is known to trigger gout
attacks. You have to learn it yourself
how vigorous the exercise can be without
triggering the gout attacks. Avoid
acidic soda drinks and juices. Drink
plenty of water with mineral supplements
before exercise can help. Take the gout
med promptly if gout attacks. Good
luck.
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alco
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 13
Posted: 12-13-05 11:26am
Had a bad attack of gout in oct thru
nov... Then it slowly started to get
better so I said, to hell with it im going
to exercise...My knee ended up hurting
more than my gout toe... I could go on 2
hour hikes with only a little soreness...
So then I decided to try to go back to
work, went to a temp service and they put
me to work on an assembly line and walla,
in
3 days of standing on concrete, my foot
swelled and I quit.
Conclusions: vigorous exercise for gout
good, work bad.
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ecastanedam
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Del Rio, TX. - USA
Istarted the Baking Soda Treatment ! Posted: 12-13-05 11:53am
After reading your post about the baking
soda I started the treatment yesterday. I
hope it works. I will post results. Now,
the treatment should be taken when the
gout is present, or should it be taken
constantly to prevent future attacks ?
Thanks for the advise. :d
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rajdhan
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Austin, TX
Istarted the Baking Soda Treatment ! Posted: 12-13-05 16:53pm
I have moderate knee and elbow pain,
constantly everyday. I had some serious
flare ups as well. When I read that
baking soda could treat gout, I was very
excited, the reasoning given on the
"icuremygout" website was very convincing.
So, I started the baking soda treatment
for couple of days. There is some
improvement in my knee pain, it hasn't
gone away completely, I guess I will try
for few more days.
I have one question. Since the logic used
in this treatment is that low ph causes ua
to crystallize in the body, and baking
soda helps increase the ph. Will
something like tums work as a treatment,
cause tums is an antacid used for lowering
the acidity?
Any thoughts ideas would be appreciated.
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alco
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 13
Posted: 12-13-05 22:29pm
Im going to lay all on the line for you
guys.
Im going to drink
im gong to eat sausage out the ass
im generally going to be a total badass
rock n roll star for you guys.
Let's see how the gout does.
Let's see what this mthufka has.
Im begging for it man.
I bet it dont happen.
I bet I know.
I bet you dont.
Im fine with that.
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HRF
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Canada
Posted: 02-23-06 22:10pm
I'm 57 and never had gout but last week my
toe joint was a bit sore. In two days I
could barely walk. It really hurt. I
read alot about this including your baking
soda solution( no pun intended). I tried
1/2 tsp every two hours and checked my
urine with litmus paper. Within one day
the pain was considerably less and I was
walking ok. My saliva and urine both
became less acid. On the third day I
could run without pain and on the fourth
day the swelling was noticibly reduced.
I've read more about this and it seems
that the acid alkaline balance is more
complicated than one would first think.
Food charts have different foods all over
the place and I suspect that if a food
does not meet the vegetarian politically
wholesomeness test it gets shoved into the
highly acid food group. Ph is determined
by the ash test but acidity is changed by
cooking. Is this not very inconsistent?
Ash is ash isn't it? Minerals don't
change by cooking, do they? Is there
some consistent approach to this that you
know of. By the way, this baking soda
cure really works.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Food Charts... Posted: 02-25-06 13:13pm
Yup, I think the charts show dubious info.
For example, lemon is acid, but it turns
out that it alkalizes. I use baking soda
and have a near normal diet. By normal I
mean I eat what I want and if I overdo it
I just slug baking soda and water. Works
great.
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