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mommax3

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Did Anyone Else Hear About This? Not For Faint of Heart
Posted: 12-04-04 08:34am

What is this world coming to?



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mom allegedly cut off baby's arms
faces capital homicide charges

tuesday, november 23, 2004 posted: 9:31 am est (1431 gmt)


dena schlosser, 35, was charged with capital homicide.
Plano, texas (ap) -- a woman with a history of postpartum depression cut the arms off her baby girl who later died, authorities said.

Dena schlosser was sitting in her living room covered with blood when police arrived monday. Her almost 11-month-old daughter lay fatally injured in a crib in a bedroom of the family's apartment in plano. The child was pronounced dead shortly afterward at a nearby hospital.

Police have charged the 35-year-old mother with capital homicide, but declined to reveal where she is being held.

Schlosser, who had a history of postpartum depression, had been investigated on child neglect allegations earlier this year, but texas child protective services had recently closed a seven-month investigation, concluding that schlosser did not pose a risk to her children. Neighbors said she seemed to be a loving, attentive mother.

"there were never any indications of violence with this family," agency spokeswoman marissa gonzales said. "the children had always been healthy, happy and cared for."

but, on monday, authorities discovered a grisly scene at the family's apartment after the child's father called a day-care center, and asked them to check on his wife and daughter.

Day-care workers called 911 after talking to the mother; an operator then called schlosser.

Asked if there was an emergency, schlosser calmly responded "yes," according to 911 tapes released by police.

"exactly what happened?" the 911 operator asked.

"i cut her arms off," schlosser replied, as the hymn "he touched me" played in the background.

"you cut her arms off?" he repeated.

"uh huh," she answered.

It was not immediately clear what instrument was used to sever the baby's arms or why the child's father called a day-care center to check on his family.

Schlosser lived at the apartment with other family members, including her two older daughters. Authorities said the girls, ages 6 and 9, were at school when police arrived, and that their father was at work.

No one answered the door monday night at the family's apartment in suburban dallas. Children's bicycles rested near the entrance along with angel garden statues.

Neighbors said schlosser took her children swimming in the summer, had picnics in the courtyard and walked her baby around the complex the same time each afternoon.

Dena livingston, 43, said she saw schlosser making her rounds with the stroller on sunday. Two days earlier, she saw schlosser waiting with the baby outside the elementary school where her two other daughters attend.

"she didn't give off like she was in a distant world or didn't care about the baby," livingston said.

Livingston's husband, brad, added: "to see her with the girls, you would just think she was a great mother."

child-protective officials were interviewing schlosser's daughters and would talk to the father before deciding whether to remove the girls from the home.

In january, the agency was called to the home after schlosser was seen running down the street, with one of her daughters bicycling after her, authorities said. When officials arrived, the child told them her mother had left her 6-day-old sister alone in the apartment.

Schlosser appeared at the time to be suffering from postpartum depression and having a psychotic episode, gonzales said.

Schlosser was hospitalized, and later agreed to seek counseling and saw a psychiatrist, gonzales said.

"at the time we closed the case, we had been assured that mom was stabilized and that she was not a risk to herself or her children," geoff wool, spokesman for the family and protective services department, said.




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jessamyn

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Posted: 12-04-04 09:39am

Omg I sooo ehard about that I dont even wanna re read it its so depressing
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mommax3

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Posted: 12-04-04 09:44am

Yea, sorry for thyat.. It made me bawl like a baby Crying
or Very sad
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Tazzy D

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Posted: 12-04-04 10:22am

Damnit man what is the world coming to.. I couldnt see myself every hurting a fly let alone a human
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steen

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Posted: 12-04-04 10:42am

Psychotic breaks are scarry. When women have experienced ppd, they should receive a lot of support to prevent the risk of sliding into such psychological chaos.
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Newmommy23

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Posted: 12-04-04 10:44am

It is stuff like that, that makes me question bringing a kid in to this world! How sad that they didn't keep in touch and watch her to make sure she was realyy cured!! Sick b**ch. She'll get her's!!
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mommax3

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Posted: 12-04-04 12:12pm

What I wanted to know was why the arms, was the baby wanting to be picked up a lot or something?

I know rhe and oli both went through a stage like that and it can get aggravating, but damnit, are you serious?
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steen

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Posted: 12-04-04 13:20pm

newmommy23 wrote:
sick b**ch. She'll get her's!!
well, she is mentally ill. Perhaps that doesn't matter?
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steen

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Posted: 12-04-04 13:22pm

jlee77 wrote:
what I wonder is this: I have read and heard how bad ppd can be and I pray to god I never get it. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But to break to the point of cutting your babie's arms off or killing your baby, doesn't that take some sort of sick twisted individual.
that si where you end up with post-partum psychosis which is more severe that ppd. The yates woman in tx, the one who drowned her kids to save them from the dangerous world she perceived, she had post-partum psychosis.
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wake up to reality. It's discrimination to tell us we can't put up a merry x-mas display morons.
you should be able to do so, except if it is done through public institutions.
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rlr79

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Posted: 12-04-04 13:25pm

I cant beleive some people are that sick. Her husband must have known something was up, since he called someone to check on her. I didn't hear about that story til just now and it makes me so sad!
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l2at24

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Posted: 12-04-04 13:28pm

I did hear about it. I have suffered from ppd, no where near that degree. My husband has helped me a lot. He comes home and takes the kids and gets up with the baby at night. Being with other moms helps too. I cried when I heard about that poor baby girl.
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Newmommy23

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Posted: 12-04-04 13:40pm

I do know about all the varying degrees of psychological disorders but I still think she is a sick b*tch! Andrea yates was a faker..She knew what she did!! She threatend it before! It was a premeditated act!! They knew the woman was sick. I blame the health care officals and her husband!! He should have never left her alone!!
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sandyallen

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Posted: 12-04-04 15:09pm

It is sad to note that the mind can crack @ any given time and we are not able to control our minds at given times, their are many types of multiple personalities, their are more on the streets and living in regular family settings than their are in a psych wards and psych homes. Look @ john hinkley jr. And charles manson. I new of a lady that was a super smart lady and one day she thought that she was a cat and all of these dogs were attacking her, she just went off into another world one day and never returned, come to find out, she was under a lot of stress with her job. We live in a very sick society as a social service worker, I see a lot of sick and sad things that happen, their is a lot of things that happen that we cannot control, thanks to the messed up system we have now a days!
Sincerely,
sandy
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steen

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Posted: 12-04-04 15:11pm

newmommy23 wrote:
i do know about all the varying degrees of psychological disorders but I still think she is a sick b*tch!
if you know about them, how can you blame her for being psychotic?
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andrea yates was a faker..She knew what she did!! She threatend it before! It was a premeditated act!! They knew the woman was sick. I blame the health care officals and her husband!! He should have never left her alone!!
yates was under the delusional belief that the world was going to harm her kids, and that the only way to save them from incredible suffering was by killing them herself. Yes, she knew that she was killing them, if that is what you mean, but she was severely mentally ill. The whole mindset behind her action was floridly psychotic. How can you call that "faker"?
This was not normal ppd, but rather was post-partum psychosis. Those two are very different things.
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Newmommy23

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Posted: 12-04-04 17:02pm

I am not placing blame on her!! Read closer. Second these are my opinions in which I am intitled to as are you!
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justacanadiangirl

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Posted: 12-04-04 17:16pm

That's just sick.... I could never do that to my baby or to anyone for that matter! That just goes to show how bad the world is getting... It's sad Sad
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Newmommy23

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Posted: 12-04-04 17:40pm

Entitled* had to fix that!!
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PattyV

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Posted: 12-04-04 21:40pm

That is a horrible thing,but no woman in her right mind would do something so awful to her children.Notice I said in her right mind.Post partum depression is a very real illness and still some doctors tell women to just be happy and enjoy their babies!If they had a choice they would!I had a very good friend who delivered in june this year and had a terrible time afterwards.She told me she had every reason to be happy,yet she was so overwhelmed and sad.I asked her if she had told her doc.She did and stopped breastfeeding so she could get on some meds.She is much better now and enjoying her son.Too many women stay silent and do not get the help they need.This is a real illness and the shame needs to be removed,so this does not happen again and again.Patty
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babyonboardnov

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Posted: 12-04-04 22:32pm

What a &&&&& health forum!!!!!!!!!! That is awful..All we can do for these things is pray for them..That family is in my prayers tonight..
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babyonboardnov

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Posted: 12-04-04 22:33pm

Thats awful..I'll pray for that family..
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