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Moira
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Posted: 12-03-04 11:42am
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| izzy
wrote: | | well there is no proof that
child abuse would rise if abortion were
ilegal, statistics show a steady increase
in child abuse since abortion became legal
also it shows that those who are abused
are wanted children.
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and which statistics are these?
| izzy
wrote: | | just a question if abortion
were made ilegal except for hard cases
(i.E rape, incest, mothers life) which
constitutes around 3% of all abortions how
many lives would be saved? I ask this
because I am not very good at
maths. |
few, because women would self-abort. Any
lives saved would be outweighed by the
women who died.
| izzy
wrote: | | also if you look at the
stats prior to roe v wade you will see the
death toll was coming down, the number of
deaths per year is not much different to
pre roe v wade it was medical developments
and cleanliness that prevented deaths not
the legality. As most abortions were
preformed by doctors and midwives in
hospitals
etc. |
really? Most illegal abortions were
performed in hospitals? Where is your
evidence for this claim?
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2ferano
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Posted: 12-04-04 18:36pm
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Lmao! "there is no proof that child
abuse rates would go up if abortion were
illegal" really? You don't say?
Maybe that is because abortion is legal.
Of course there is no "proof" wow, the
idiocy in this forum blows my mind
sometimes.
To tubby, even though you were
banned....Yes, some women decide to
continue the pregnancy even against
doctor's orders and end up being fine.
Just like some people recover from cancer.
But, it is your choice to get chemo or
just die, as it is the woman's choice to
abort or carry on with the pregnancy and
risk death. There is no difference
there at all.
And izzy, you say anyone with common
sense....Blah blah blah....Um, you cannot
get pregnant, so I really don't see how
your views on abortion mean anything.
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PattyV
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Posted: 12-04-04 23:01pm
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Izzy,i have talked with several women who
had back alley abortions.They were real
and women died.Some of these people were
truly butchers and meat cutters!You can
quote all the propaganda you want,but I
have talked to women who were there!!!I'm
still waiting for those numbers on
adoption.Please enlighten me!!!Patty
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2ferano
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Posted: 12-04-04 23:26pm
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I know women who have given themselves
abortions and then ended up in the
hospital. Not good, and they shouldn't
have had to do that! But what does izzy
care, he is a man and cannot get pregnant.
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steen
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Posted: 12-05-04 10:10am
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The demonstration of what happens when
abortion is illegal is available. Nearly
every hospital in 3rd world countries
where abortin is not available has a
"women's ward" where they treat the women
who has had unsafe or self-induced
abortions. If women don't want to be
pregnant, they will try nearly anything to
abort. The best we can do regarding
unwanted pregnancies is to make sure that
when these women get an abortion, it is a
safe one.
Yes, we can also work on reducing the need
for abortion. Sex-ed is a must *good*
sex-ed. So is contraception, which needs
to be good, cheap and readily available.
And then if the woman gets pregnant
anyway, if pro-life wants her to not
abort, they have to make it worth her
while.
If they want to help her to the point
where she doesn't feel the need to abort,
then more power to them. If they
actually would support social programs or
direct assistance for pregnant women or
couples with a pregnancy or recent birth,
then that'll be just fine and dandy.
Given the importance, you should think
they would set that as a priority and
allow increased funding.
Isn't the reduction of abortion a goal so
important for pro-life that they are
willing to pay more taxes to save these
fetuses, rather than what they have done
sofar with their "welfare reform" and
desire to "punish" these women for being
poor, undereducated, unemployed and
pregnant?
Am I the only one who find the emphasis of
pro-life to be uncredibly hypocritical?
They want to force her to remain pregnant,
while on the other hand pubish her by
making her living situation much more
desperate when she gives birth. That is
not a desire to help the kids who have to
live in that poverty, but rather a desire
to 'punish" the woman for not following
their twisted moralistic rules regarding
sex. *that* really is what pro-life is
all about, the misogynistic and moralistic
punishment of women who don't adhere to
the anti-choicers morals; there is no
concern for actual children, who
presumably is guilty of having been born
by an immoral woman and therefore deserve
to share in her punishment.. Otherwise
they would be helping the women and the
born children as well.
It is disgusting. Shame on pro-life.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-05-04 10:35am
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We feel sorry for these women we really do
but why should we permit killing other
human beings just so they can be safer in
doing so?
On a lesser note its like me saying I am
opening a rape hotel where men can bring
there victims so we can supervise in case
she trys to gouge his eyes out.
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JanetBee
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Posted: 12-05-04 12:08pm
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That is a rather sick image -- but most
rapists don't worry about it anyway, do
they?
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Moira
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Posted: 12-05-04 14:14pm
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| izzy
wrote: | | we feel sorry for these
women we really do but why should we
permit killing other human beings just so
they can be safer in doing
so? |
because 1)the woman is the only human
being in abortion and 2) the fetus is in
her body. She's refusing to donate her
resources to it.
| izzy
wrote: | | on a lesser note its like me
saying I am opening a rape hotel where men
can bring there victims so we can
supervise in case she trys to gouge his
eyes out. |
wow. That made no sense, but i'm sure it
did in your warped little mind iz.
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sandyallen
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Izzy
Posted: 12-05-04 17:20pm
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How many crack babies have you adopted?
How many child care foster homes do you
own and run? Do you give all of your
money up and do without a vehicle, gas and
electric, your computer, wash your clothes
with a scrub board or a rock, so that
these children that are actually unwanted
unloved not fed, walking around filthy can
have things, obviously not as you are
still on your computer. Do you give up
certain body parts that children need to
have to survive, obviously you do not as
their are still a lot of these children
around and the troubled teens and adults.
You would not believe some of these nasty
homes, apartments, foster care homes that
are still in use, and you have the nerve
to want to bring more unwanted children
into this mess that will not be adopted
out or taken care of, how rude can you be,
I would have wanted to be aborted rather
than to be brought up in some of these
circumstances. I do not know where you
live, and neither do I care but their is a
commercial on t.V. Here that shows that
their is not enough places for some kids
to go. I know I would have never wanted
to be adopted by you, you are too unreal,
and you are just a guy that does not
understand what pro-choice means, I mean,
the whole picture!
Sincerely,
sandy
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-05-04 19:30pm
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Exactly sandy.. If they care about little
kids so much and worrying about what's
best than maybe they should adopt some of
them and actually do something to help
them than sit on their asses and expect
other people to do it!
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-06-04 04:08am
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There are many people who help these, we
are the only ones helpping the unborn
children!
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-06-04 11:44am
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Alright whatever.... Predead corpse.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-06-04 12:49pm
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It strikes me that anyone wanting to
reduce abortions needs to start improving
the prospects for those children already
born as well as for women -- there'd be
less incentive to abort if the world
wasn't such a hellhole.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-06-04 15:32pm
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I dont care about reducing the number of
abortions.... As if that would make any
thing any better...
46,000,000 year
or
1 a year
obviously every life is important and we
all want to save lives but it makes no
difference what so ever... The fact that
my country says that this is an acceptable
act weather there be 1 billion babies
killed or none at all... The law itself
would make me fight even if I were to
become an enemy of the state.
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-06-04 17:28pm
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Izzy.. I think you need to see a
psychiatrist.. 
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Moira
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Posted: 12-06-04 18:01pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | izzy.. I think you need to
see a psychiatrist.. |
oh I don't think. I know.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-06-04 20:45pm
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I second or third that motion! There is
no way he could adopt any of these
chilren, he is toooo lost within
himself!
Sincerly,
sandy
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steen
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Posted: 12-06-04 21:12pm
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| moira
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | izzy.. I think you need
to see a psychiatrist.. |
oh I don't think. I
know. |
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-06-04 21:22pm
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You have a good point there, steen, it
probably would be a lot of wasted time and
money but the psychiatrist might get a
good laugh realizing that he is tooo far
gone.
Sincerely,
sandy
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-07-04 09:50am
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Her hilarious what?
I do wish that they still taught the
proper use of apostrophes in school.
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