a Possible Worry (advice Needed) Posted: 12-07-04 04:52am
Hello guys,
well I went to thailand for 3 weeks ,and
slept with 9 girls although, every time
was protected , and I checked the condom
each time it never broke,
however, one night I did something so
stupid, I was drunk, and I cut my finger
on the door of my hotel room , when I was
going to close it, it did bleed, but
because I was drunk I didnt think to wash
it off, anyway, about 10-15 mins later, I
was having sex, and I put the finger up
the girls vagina, soo stupid, even worse
the fact that she was a working bar
girl.
Off course after wards when I had relized
what I have done, I cleaned it throughly,
not that it would have made any
difference, anyway I wasn't thinking at
the time ,and was under influence of
alcohol.
I'm going tot the clinic just after xmas,
to check for any std's or sti's , I could
have got , as I did receive unprotected
oral sex a few times too, again stupid,
although I don't have symtoms as such,
just for peace of mind.
I will get a hiv/aids test as well in 5-6
months.
I don't need anyone to remind what a
stupid thing it was to do , just any
advice other than going to the clinic and
getting seen???
Just how serious could it be????
Regards all
ted
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tedfed1000
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Posted: 12-10-04 14:30pm
Anyone able to help??
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 12-10-04 14:33pm
Why are u waiting 5-6 mos for the hiv
test?
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tedfed1000
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Posted: 12-12-04 15:53pm
Sorry, I will wait 3 months
any advice anyone???
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Finess150
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Through a Cut... Posted: 04-09-05 14:30pm
Hi, maybe you've been tested by now. If
so, I hope it went well.
The fact is, hiv is not an easy virus to
catch. Even when having sex with someone
who has hiv only carries a 1-3% of
catching it yourself (this does not mean
you shouldn't use condoms every time!).
Fingering is a very very low risk activity
for hiv. If there is a fresh cut, the
possibility for infection is increased
since this allows the virus entry into the
blood stream. However - there have been
no documented cases of this occuring.
Just be careful next time and avoid this
acitivity if you have fresh cuts or open
sores on your finger.
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mistherd13
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Yo, problem Finess150 Posted: 04-30-05 00:32am
He said he cut his finger about 10-15
minutes before fingering. Therefore his
change is increased, as you claim, since
surely it was still open due to his being
drunk. Alcohol affects all types of blood
cells, as well as platelets and clotting
factors (which are necessary to close
wounds). The result of the interference
is an increased risk of bleeding.
There's always a first time for
everything, and, just because there are no
documented cases, there may exist a large
number of infections in which fingering is
the very case. You cannot use this to
support your position. Very unfounded and
poor discretion to do so.
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Finess150
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There's No Need to Call Me That Posted: 04-30-05 03:50am
Firstly, i'll just let you know that in
discussing the issue of fingering, many
medical professionals highlight the fact
that there have been no documented cases.
Please do not assume that i'm saying it as
a sweeping statement, I am merely
delivering all the facts, including that
one. It may be inaccurate, but it does
demonstrate that fingering is certainly
not a primary route of transmission. If
it does occur, it occurs extremely
rarely.
I did not say that his wound will have
been completely closed. It may have been
(despite his alcohol consumption) or it
may not have been - different people heal
at different rates. The more fresh the
wound, the easier the passage of
blood-borne pathogens including hiv.
I did not deny that he was at risk, I was
simply putting the situation into the
perspective it needed, by evaluating the
risk in comparison to other sexual
activities. The risk is low but not
non-existant. But the memphasis really
shouldn't be on these technicalities of
how fresh the cut was etc. Since that is
no real way to know for sure. The fact
is, if you feel that you are at risk, it
is only logical that you test. It's a
difficult step but highly important and I
respect anyone who bites the bullet and
takes it.
Lastly, if you use insulting language
again, I will inform the website,
especially since it is used childishly and
undeservedly.
I recommend thebody.Com, which provides
extensive advice on hiv. Dr. Bob
frascino is an expert in the field and may
be able to answer the original question
with more detail. He was infected
fourteen years ago while iusing a needle
on an aids patient, and even he will
emphasise the difficulty in becoming
infected with hiv. But at the end of it,
he will tell you to get tested, mainly for
peace of mind.
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to Ted Posted: 04-30-05 05:47am
Your posting and questions deserve a
response. In my honest opinion, you are
part of the smallest statistic when it
comes to hiv risk. It is more than
likely that you gave the female hiv
rathter than her to you with the incident
described. Women are usually at higher
risk compared to men. Hiv is not easy to
get, but you could be the lottery winner.
Why gamble! Sure, anything is possible,
but your incident is not the way hiv likes
to transmit to another partner. We could
spend hours on stats and theory and
science, but I rahter stick to science and
advise.
Your history of multiple partners,
protected or not, is an issue that you
must confront and deal with. You must
change your pattern. Simply, and I know
you don't want to hear it, but sex is an
art and not a toy. Good art is never
made in 5 minutes. It is an extended
relationship that makes it worth it,
especially unprotected with your partner.
In your case, I would certainly recommend
an antibody test, whereas you certainly
had enough time to seroconvert by now if
you were hiv infected. Keep in mind that
hiv symptoms vary and are very similar to
1000 other illnesses and unknown viruses,
plus guilt and fear of hiv can contribute.
The best advise is one from your
doctor.
Not only would I go to the doctor to get
an antibody test, I would also request an
additional test called a pcr. This test
looks specifically for the rna of the
virus. Basically, instead of looking for
antibodies that your body may not have yet
created, it looks for the virus itself.
This test should be taken about 28 days
after your last exposure to risk. You
should probably have undetectable hiv
levels, which is a preliminary all clear.
Follow up by taking an elisa after 13
weeks to seal the deal.
All of this advise may not be standard and
the tests are expensive, but it's only for
your own good. If you don't plan on
changing your exposure practices, forget
everything that i've said. It just
doesn't matter to those who don't want to
listen.
