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Single Motherhood Posted: 12-09-04 14:42pm
Okay, I just read bd's post about what
prolifers thought of women who aborted. I
guess this could kind of tie into it, and
I wanted to know where prolifers stand on
this issue.
As a single woman who is pregnant, I have
been trashed by prolifers (yes, only
prolifers) for being single and pregnant.
Some examples of what has been done:
1. In a chatroom I frequent (abortion
debate on yahoo!) a prolifer has made
awful names such as xphiles_bas+ard_child,
xphiles_armless_bas+ard_child,
xphiles_cancer_infested_bas+ard_child...We
ll, I could go on but i'm sure you get the
picture.
2. I've been told that I didn't use
contraception (which is funny, the condom
my boyfriend used broke, obviously, or I
wouldn't be pregnant)
3. I was told by a catholic (i only know
s/he was catholic by the name,
"pray_the_rosary") that I was what was
wrong with the world today.
4. I was told by someone on another
discussion board that my child would grow
up to be violent, a rapist, a killer,
depressed, suicidal...
Therefore, I would like to know what the
prolifers on this board think of single
mothers. It seems that i'm "evil" for
getting pregnant outside of marriage but I
would have been "evil" for getting an
abortion.
Part of me has come to the conclusion that
prolifers really *do* want to control
women's sexual/reproductive choices. They
don't really care about the child.
Oh, and i'm not a pregnant teen, i'm
25...And I support myself, no, i'm not on
welfare.
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-09-04 14:59pm
X is not lying, I also frequent that chat
and have seen the names myself and they
are exactly what she posted..
What exaclty do you "prolifers" expect
single mothers to do? Abort or continue
the pregnancy? You don't want her to
abort, then you sure aren't doing a good
job at motivating her should she
experience another unplanned pregnancy..
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cphilyaw
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Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-09-04 16:25pm
Sweetheart I find that your child will be
wonderful and is not all those names the
other people called it,,,,,,yes people
make mistakes accidents happen but a child
is no mistake or accident..People make
them, you are in a situation where you
need support not criticism, you need the
support that you can be a great single
mother but not the support to go out here
and do it again and again but that you can
and will handle the situation at hand
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 12-09-04 16:31pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
sweetheart
how old do you
think she is? I personally abhor
patronizing comments myself but I will let
x make of it what she will.
Quote:
people make
them, you are in a situation where you
need support not criticism, you need the
support that you can be a great single
mother but not the support to go out here
and do it again and again but that you can
and will handle the situation at hand
do you honestly believe
that if you support a woman in x-phile's
situation, that she will actually "go out
here and do it again and again"? And,
what if she did? Would she be any less
entitled to support with her second and
third child than with her first? You
claim that she does need support but that
if she does it "again and again" she
shouldn't be supported. Also, do you
think that a single mother cannot do it
without your type of support? I say your
type because the way your post reads, it
seems like you're saying you only favor
giving her support if she never, ever
makes this "mistake" again. I am open to
any explanation available.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-09-04 16:52pm
X, these people are a$$es. Ignore them,
and pity them for their utter stupidity.
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cphilyaw
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Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-09-04 17:40pm
Moira how old are you if you have to curse
to hold a coversation?
X: to answer what she said, yes you should
have support regardless of how many but
you have the responsibility to control the
situation...Birth control etc..... When I
say support I mean by her family, friends,
the public should, thats what should
happen if everybody was understanding and
considerite (sp)
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-09-04 18:30pm
It is interesting to note that those
societies that condemn abortion also
condemn single mothers. The only reason
that being a single mother is now
acceptable because abortion is available.
A single woman who has a child could have
had an abortion. It therefore becomes
impossible to know which single women have
not been pregnant.
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jenn_smithson
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 12-09-04 18:30pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
to answer what she said,
yes you should have support regardless of
how many but you have the responsibility
to control the
situation
another control freak.
There you go x. You can have support
for this child just as long as you never
have pre-marital sex again because it
could get you in this situation again.
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xphile_1002
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: , Ohio United States
Posted: 12-09-04 19:03pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
moira how old are you if you
have to curse to hold a coversation?
X: to answer what she said, yes you should
have support regardless of how many but
you have the responsibility to control the
situation...Birth control etc..... When
I say support I mean by her family,
friends, the public should, thats what
should happen if everybody was
understanding and considerite
(sp)
first of all, i'm 25 years old...Hardly a
child. Second of all...I did use birth
control and it failed...I mentioned that
in the original post. Birth control
fails.
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sandyallen
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Xphile_1002 Posted: 12-09-04 19:39pm
You made the choice that you feel is the
correct choice, no one has a right to
judge you or call you names, even if you
would decide to abort, that is what we
pro-choicers are here for and that is to
back you up and to let you realize your
choices throught thick or thin, that is
why most pro-lifers are hypocritical.
Most pro-lifers do not realize that there
is a need a lot of times for an abortion
because they have a lack of understanding
of certain needs because they are not
walking in this pregnant person's shoes
and they are tooo quick to judge, this is
why I am pro-choice because I do
understand that cicumstances are different
for all pregnant females.
Sincerely,
sandy
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steen
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Re: Single Motherhood Posted: 12-09-04 20:27pm
xphile_1002
wrote:
okay, I just read bd's post
about what prolifers thought of women who
aborted. I guess this could kind of tie
into it, and I wanted to know where
prolifers stand on this issue.
As a single woman who is pregnant, I have
been trashed by prolifers (yes, only
prolifers) for being single and pregnant.
Some examples of what has been
done:
as you have no doubt
figured out by now, many pro-lifers are
nothing but hatemongers. They love sin,
they get exstatic over sin, because that
gives them sinners to hate, which is the
only thing that brings fullfillment to
their misogynistic, cold, and punitive
very small hearts.
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hotasfrick
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Posted: 12-09-04 20:44pm
X that is such a great point that you
brought up. I have noticed the same
thing with prolife people. (once again,
not all, but a lot) you are bad for having
an abortion but you are going to hell for
having the baby, so either way they won't
be happy. They are just unhappy people
who need something to complain about and
someone to hate! Just humor yourself
knowing that a lot of them don't have
parents who were together when they were
conceived and such. People usually hate
what they hate about themselves!
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Izzy
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Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 12-10-04 05:37am
These people are obviously upset with you
for someother reason... That is the only
way I can understand why they would say
such things.
You are very brave to be keeping the
child... Especially since you agree with
abortion and pro choice that the unborn
are not human beings.
I can understand what this catholic person
meant when she said "you are what is wrong
with the world" unfortunatly she didnt
express herself very well.
She was not blaming you or single mothers
for the state the world is in, she was
blaming you for being decieved
you see the promotion of sexual
promiscuity is overwhelming and many many
people are being decieved.... Of course
you wont see what is wrong with a sexual
promiscus society "anyone who sins becomes
a slave to sin"
a simple sum
when people have sex for fun = they become
pregnant = need for abortion = disrespect
for life = disrespect for themselves =
disrespect for others.
Pro lifers are not trying to control
womens sexual activity
they want a society that instead of
promoting a sexual promiscuious society
they promote a one of being responsible to
each other and to life.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-10-04 06:37am
So opposition to abortion is essentially
because of a specific morality regarding
when people are allowed to have sex?
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-10-04 07:09am
No you fool, its opposition to promotion
of immorality
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-10-04 07:18am
"immoral" as per a specific ideology --
there is no abolute of "morality"!
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-10-04 07:57am
There is the morallity america is founded
on, the morallity where america obtained
its constitution.
Anything that oposes this morallity is
immorality
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-10-04 09:10am
You may not be aware, but this site is not
limited to the us. Moreover, americans
have a rather wide range of morality, all
of which is personal to them. It cannot
be imposed on anyone else.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-10-04 09:47am
Yes that is a right granted to them by the
morallity of the nation...
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-10-04 10:01am
I think you mean political system or
ideology, not morality?
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