Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 10:25am
Who said that " you are what is wrong with
the world today?"?
For the fact of knowing my sister and I
was raised by my mother alone, my father
never was around and when he did decide to
pick us up from our mothers we would go to
his freinds house where he would get
drunk, when I was older and got on his
nerves he'd hit me, he would not watch us,
he didnt care we were just trophies for
him to show off, now he is a changed man
and I forgive him there is no hate there.
People make mistakes!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as
for as hating other poeple for things
theyve done I dont hate the person I
dislike the sin or their wrong
doing.......Single women whom get pregnant
on accident and keep their child are women
who realize what they have got there
selves into and step to the plate and
except responsibility, I feel that
abortion is just a way for women to get
out of not owning up to their mistakes or
actions,
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oopoopoop
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Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 1357 Location: ,
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Posted: 12-10-04 10:43am
Women, single, married, whatever, who get
pregnant whether accidentally or on
purpose, and realise that they cannot
carry on with the pregnancy for whatever
reason, and decide to abort, are take a
very responsible decision, rather than
allowing the birth of a child who will
suffer, or whose birth may cause suffering
to other family members.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 12-10-04 10:49am
Doctors, parents, single, married,
whatever, who kill there children and
there elderly parents make a responsible
decision, rather than allowing there
situation to make a child suffer a certain
degree of poverty, or whose age may cause
suffering to other family members.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 10:56am
There are other options other than
abortion.....You can get help from
medicaid which will provide you with some
help, child support from the dad, im sure
youll will have support from your family
it may not seem like you will but beleive
it or not more people will help you than
what you think
im never said that single mother should
have support as long as they dont do it
again im saying that should having support
and encouraged and helped to avoid getting
pregnant again
i m not judging you I myself had
premartial sex before I married my
husband, I just got lucky and didnt get
pregnant then, but if I would have
abortion would not have been an option
because I put my self in that situation so
I face the consquences if I did get
pregnant and raise my child to the best of
my obility........
A lot of people whom have abortions
realize after the fact there was other
obtions and reget it for the rest of their
lives
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xphile_1002
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: , Ohio United States
Posted: 12-10-04 11:01am
See, izzy, your post is what i'm talking
about. I was not sexually promiscuous as
promiscuity means that i've slept with
many people at once. Considering the
father is a man i've known for 12 years
and that I slept with only him
in the past year kind of tells you that
i'm not promiscuous.
And the immorality thing...Well, I don't
think what I did was immoral because I
personally don't think sex outside of
marriage is immoral. No matter what you
or the current government may think, most
"morality" is still subjective.
And no, I don't think the "unborn" are
people mainly because they aren't
people legally. I never said the "unborn"
weren't human. As long as it's in a human
it's a human.
I was not decieved. Yeah, I had sex for
fun and got pregnant. So? I'm well above
the age of legal consent as was the man I
had sex. I don't see the pregnancy as a
punishment because I want the fetus. And
all you prolifers condescend to "commend"
me for "accepting responsibility for my
actions". Well, had I aborted, I would
have been accepting responsibility just as
much as I have since I kept the pregnancy.
You see, I don't see children as a
punishment for sex outside of marriage.
But go ahead and believe I was "immoral"
and "deceived". I am quite happy with the
choices I have made and no
one can make me feel bad for them.
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 11:38am
cphilyaw
wrote:
moira how old are you if you
have to curse to hold a coversation?
that is the first and only time I have
cursed (if you can call a pre-watershed
word that is freely used in the uk - I
could say it to a priest for example)on
this board, and I didn't use it as an
insult to anyone here. I used it in
support.
How old are you if you have to pick on the
pc that curses once and not mention it to
any pls? Sad.
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 11:41am
cphilyaw
wrote:
a lot of people whom have abortions
realize after the fact there was other
obtions and reget it for the rest of their
lives
actually, a very small percentage regret
aborting. Please stop attempting to
mislead us.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 11:55am
I am 22 im married to a 36 year old man I
have 2 children, anything else youd like
to know.................
Im sorry if I misunderstood youi , but I
did not take that as support...
To the one whome said ladies do not regret
aborting, how many people do you know whom
have aborted? How do they honestly
feel...You know what I will title a new
post on people whom have aborted to get
their true feeling for all of us
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 12:05pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
to the one whome said ladies do not regret
aborting, how many people do you know whom
have aborted? How do they honestly
feel...You know what I will title a new
post on people whom have aborted to get
their true feeling for all of
us
i know a few, but my personal experience
is irrelevant. Various independent
studies have proved that most women do not
regret aborting.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 12:10pm
Well I opened a new post we'll see...I may
be proved wrong but I may be right
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 12:23pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
well I opened a new post
we'll see...I may be proved wrong but I
may be right
cphil, are you ignorant, stupid or just
narrow minded? Whatever posts you get
will prove nothing as they're not
representative of everyone who aborts.
Independent research has proven that the
vast majority of women do not regret
aborting and suffer no long term
psychological effects.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 12:28pm
Moria thats right there is what I am
talking about for your age you have to use
slander and name calling to look good, I
have yet to call anyone a name or
downgrade anyone.......It is getting
opinions from every side how is that
ignorant...I think people do feel bad you
dont, why not ask the poeple them selves
cut out the midde man....Or are you afraid
that might actually make you look bad,
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 12:35pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
moria thats right there is
what I am talking about for your age you
have to use slander and name calling to
look good, I have yet to call anyone a
name or downgrade
anyone.......
no, but you are insulting. We all are at
times.
cphil
wrote:
it is getting opinions from
every side how is that
ignorant...
if you're going to apply a few people
whose info can't be verified to the entire
population then yes, that is truly
ignorant. If you recognise that this poll
is essentially meaningless, then no that's
not ignorant.
cphil
wrote:
i think people do feel bad
you dont,
i know some people do, but I know the vast
majority don't. You *want* people to feel
bad to fit in with your moral view but i'm
afraid that just isn't true.
cphil
wrote:
why not ask the poeple them
selves cut out the midde
man....
because a poll on an internet forum is not
how to accurately guage these things.
Which bit don't you understand?
cphil
wrote:
or are you afraid that might
actually make you look
bad,
cphil, look up the apa and see what they
say. Or are you afraid that might
actually make you look bad?
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 12:41pm
Moria I am not arguing with you, im am
simply trying to let others know where im
coming from
i have not insulted anyone in any site
post or room,
i think you have a hard time dealing with
people opinions whom dont fit your
i dont have to make them fit mine because
my beliefs, opinions, and values are
differnet than other and you nor anyone
else on this earth can change them, they
are mine yours are yours
and fyi: if people who answer that post
iare not telling the truth it is not my
place to judge them if the arel ieing or
giving a true experience, I can only take
them a face value
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 12:49pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
i have not insulted anyone in any site
post or room,
you have frequently been insulting,as we
all are from time to time.
cphil
wrote:
i think you have a hard time
dealing with people opinions whom dont fit
your
my what? I perfectly respect somebody's
right to be pro-life - I don't respect it
when they try to force that on others. I
"deal with it" fine. In respect to this,
your opinion is disproven by many
psychological studies.
cphil
wrote:
i dont have to make them fit
mine
stop trying to then. Admit that most
women don't regret aborting.
cphil
wrote:
because my beliefs,
opinions, and values are differnet than
other and you nor anyone else on this
earth can change them, they are mine yours
are yours
and you can't enforce them on others,
including your belief that a zef is a
child.
cphil
wrote:
and fyi: if people who
answer that post iare not telling the
truth it is not my place to judge them if
the arel ieing or giving a true
experience, I can only take them a face
value
don't believe eveyrthing you read,
especially on the net.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 12:54pm
I have not insulted anyone by name
calling, downgrading,slander, or anything
and if you can prove that I did I will
appoligize to them, not you
i thought a debate is where you shared you
opinions, I share mine to you and you say
im forcing them on you. No im just
telling you how I feel the same way you
are
i could say you are forcing me to think
that it is okay to abort because you
disagree with me but im not im saying your
opinion is your mine is mine,
to be given or told an opinion or belief
does not mean that you have to change your
mind it just means that you are open to
listen to why I think so,......Funny how
that if forcing you
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Posted: 12-10-04 12:59pm
If you want abortion illegal, then you're
forcing it on others.
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xphile_1002
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: , Ohio United States
Posted: 12-10-04 13:03pm
cphilyaw
wrote:
moria I am not arguing with
you, im am simply trying to let others
know where im coming from
i have not insulted anyone in any site
post or room,
actually, I was kind of insulted when you
called me "sweetheart" because 1-it's
really condescending, and 2- you're 3
years younger than I am.
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cphilyaw
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 95 Location: North Carolina
Posted: 12-10-04 13:06pm
X: well then I am sorry if I offended you
by saying sweetheart, it was said....You
know what never mind I am sorry
age is a number I know many 25-30 year old
whom are act 16