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bd1012
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Posted: 12-19-04 13:25pm
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Is there anything about prochoice that you
would like to understand better.. Or any
questions that you want to ask? I'm
hoping this question turns into a debate
so we can really get on the ball and start
being constructive.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 12-19-04 13:31pm
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I second this. Is anyone still confused
over what pro-choice really is?
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 12-19-04 20:18pm
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| jenn_smithson
wrote: | | i second this. Is anyone
still confused over what pro-choice really
is? |
give me yall def. Of what pro choice is
please
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-19-04 21:54pm
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I think you know this already but it means
favoring every single option there is
available should a pregnancy occur.. We
do not cheer when people have an
abortion.. We do not cry when people
carry to term.. As long as the pregnant
woman does what is good for her.. Than we
are happy. We are not for forced
abortions and think they are just as bad
as forced pregnancies..
Anything else?
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-19-04 23:09pm
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We still call that prolife.. Alot of
people who are prolife have exceptions.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-20-04 05:05am
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I think it is possible to be both pro-life
and pro-choice. As in, while you
personally have beliefs which would
prohibit an abortion under all but extreme
circumstances, you can support the choice
being available for women who do not feel
that way -- or perhaps did, until it
happened to them. This could come, for
instance, because you realise that whether
or not you are pro-choice, some women will
feel they are in a situation where
abortion is their best option, and if the
choice of a safe, legal abortion isn't
available, then greater harm may result.
This is the distinction between "pro-life"
and "anti-choice", if you see what I mean.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-20-04 06:29am
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No doubt poo. I am pro life with
exceptions....I am pro choice about these
exceptions.
1. Life of mother
any other reason is in my opinion
outweighed by the fundemental right to
life and should not be legal since it is
against this right.
This means that I am not anti choice...
Just in support of the right to life....
Hence pro life!
Allowing abortion for women who dont
regard the fetus as a human being would
mean I would hold pro life opinion but
actually be pro choice... Not pro life.
It would contradict my belifes and that
belife is life is more important than any
other right!
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-20-04 07:40am
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When I was prolife.. At first I had no
exception.. Than I eventually realized
how unrealistic it was to expect someone
to sacrifice their life for a fetus..
Then I eventually became prochoice.
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 12-20-04 10:16am
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Now I like this better. That is why I
asked the question bd1012. Not to be
smart I wanted to try to get some
civiliztion on here for once.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-20-04 12:30pm
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| izzy
wrote: | no doubt poo. I am pro
life with exceptions....I am pro choice
about these exceptions.
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i think you misunderstood my post a little
bit -- I think it is possible to be
pro-life, but understand that the choice
to have an abortion nevertheless needs to
be freely available to women, because if
it is not available, they will just have
illegal abortions.
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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 12-20-04 12:48pm
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I know many people who are privately
pro-life and publicly pro-choice. Many
of my professors are this as well as
friends and family. While they would
never choose an abortion for themselves,
i.E. Privately, they do not support the
choice of abortion to be taken away for
everyone else, i.E. Publicly. In
discussions with other people, they
usually point out that they are personally
pro-life but they do work very hard to
maintain the balance between the two and
are quick to point out that while they
hold certain beliefs, they don't expect
the rest of the world to follow their own
standards. I have a lot of respect for
many of them. My poly sci professor had
a vasectomy just so he wouldn't put his
wife in the situation to choose again
after they had the number of children they
wanted, 2. Talking to him, he is
privately pro-life which is why he "fixed"
himself so the situation would not arise
but publicly he cares very much about the
law as it is today and is very supportive
of others decisions.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-20-04 15:12pm
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Anyone who hold pro life belifes and is
pro choice about abortion are worse than
pro choice people with pro death belifes,
they are letting children be slaughtered
and they know it.
People with pro life ideas but are
publically pro choice.... Are the true
pro choice people..... Most on here are
pro death!
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-20-04 15:19pm
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Izzy.. If you are not going to be civil,
get out of this thread.. We are finally
getting somewhere with this debate and not
insulting.... And how on earth are we
prodeath? Our kind isnt' the ones
blowing up clinics that may very well have
pregnant woman in them not going for an
abortion.. Despite what you may believe..
Give me one example where anyone has
showed to be prodeath and don't you even
tell me it was me with the whole human
race thing because I am not going to tell
you again..
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-20-04 15:28pm
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One more thing.. When you say that a
fetus is a child.. What do you mean? Do
you mean it will be a child or it is at
the time in the childhood stage? There's
a difference.. That is why I am asking..
This may help clear up some confusion.
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Moira
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Posted: 12-20-04 16:21pm
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| izzy
wrote: | anyone who hold pro life
belifes and is pro choice about abortion
are worse than pro choice people with pro
death belifes, they are letting children
be slaughtered and they know it.
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in their opinion abortion is wrong, and
they don't want to force their opinions on
others especially when it won't result in
saving "babies" it'll just kill women.
Last edited by Moira on 12-20-04 18:47pm; edited 1 time in total
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-20-04 18:32pm
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Where was I not civil....I only posted my
opinion. I never attacked any
individual... What is not civil is you
taking away my freedom of speech by
telling me to shut up.
You have to grant that what the other
person says may offend you or your not for
freedom of speech
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-20-04 18:57pm
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You were not civil by claiming that people
on here are prodeath when that is a lie.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-20-04 19:06pm
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I totally agree w/you both moira and
bd1012.
Sincerely,
sandy
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steen
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Posted: 12-20-04 19:28pm
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| izzy
wrote: | | where was I not civil....I
only posted my opinion. I never attacked
any individual... What is not civil is
you taking away my freedom of speech by
telling me to shut
up. |
izzy, you are a
incredibly' troll. You lie, attack and
spread mayhem solely for the purpose of
causing trouble.
Now, you trashed your credibility all on
your own.
If you suddenly has seen the light and
reformed, deciding that bearing false
witness is not what jesus would do, then
have at it. But until then, good
ridddance.
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Izzy
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Posted: 12-21-04 04:19am
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What on earth are you bangging on about?
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