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Q: Bad Relationship?
asked by: msibuc on December 26th, 2004
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Hi.

Forgive me if this seems really terse. It's kind of involved and am trying not to get to wordy. Here's my situation.

Relationship ended over some things that developed from the following.

Month 2 or so: girlfriend wants to get back from a vacation 1000 miles away to meet guy for hike - we were driving and had 1.5 days to get back. She met him on match previous to meeting me, emailed with him, and hung out with him once. He was visiting our town for a festival from 2000 miles away. No invite for me to join, and it was referred to as a "date" before I asked "date?", to which she said she was joking. Not a biggie to me - early in relationship.

Month 3 or so: we're seemingly mutually steady. She makes plans to hang with a guy that I believe she had met on match previous to our meeting. She'd only hung out with him a few times that I can tell. With the opportunity to mention she was meeting him for a night out at the bars together ("i'd asked whatcha up to tonight?" she said "nothing. You?") she didn't mention this. I found this out later.

Month 4 or so: she emails me saying she's going to a concert with "friends" until late, and then getting up at 5:30am to meet one of the friends for a charity event. Turns out the "friend" is a guy she'd spoken well of and by name often. I thought it odd she referred to him vaguely as "friend" when I knew him by name, if not personally.

Month 4 or 5: she says she's "coming over" for the night, but no definite time -will let me know. Then emails and says "maybe staying home to clean, but will let you know". Fine with me. I call later to find out which it'll be. No answer and no returned call. I call even later to find out if everythings alright. No answer, no returned call. The next day, she says she was staying with "friends" - never had "stayed over with friends", hasn't since, and had charged cel with her and never had problem walking the 3 blocks from her friends (girl-friend and girl-friend's beau's) back to her place, day or night, in the past.

For the first several months, almost invariably late by 10-45 min.. Defensive when I finally asked if she could try to be better about that, calling me condescending and implying I was demanding.

Was often suspicious that I was trying to "entrap" her when I asked her how she thought things were going with us before asking why she was so reticent about communicating some of the above things, including when she would be late and why she was reluctant to tell me who she was going out with.

She tended to get defensive about most things, be reluctant to apologize (for, e.G., being an hour late for something), and considered me mistrustful and overly angry. I did often get angry after months of such stuff, and raised my voice as the arguements about the above (and about "why all the arguements every time?") continued.

After months of trying to talk through these things (the ebst way I knew how - i'd tried level voice, soft voice, direct voice, "how would you feel if I did that?"), I lost patience. We both said we wanted to work things through, but were not getting very far (though, after much fighting, she'd gotten better about trying to be on time or at least call if late and to just say "sorry" if she'd affected me somehow - though often still after significant debate almost invariably; I was trying harder not to get impatient with what felt like slights and to be more aware of wht she said was too direct a tone in my voice). Patience was thin, we were talking about working on things more than acting on the talk, it seemed, and it was becoming easier and easier for me to get angry at what seemed the like the same inconsideration over and over in various guises - more angry than i've ever been that involved yelling and she was even frightened a couple of times (as was I since it almost seemed like she was trying to draw me into it and I was taking the bait).

Well, that's about as concise, yet fair, as I feel I can be in this typed medium. I'd be happy to answer questions and clarify, as I may not have seemed fair above (though tried hard to be).

Any thoughts or insights?

Thanks.
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SHM85 replied on December 26th, 2004
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Sounds like it was a bad relationship to me. She shouldn't be going out with other guys, cheaters usually do that, and it doesn't really sounds like she cared for you because she didn't respect your feelings about that. Your better off being single or finding another g/f that will respect your feelings and know that going out with guys is wrong when your in a relationship. Thats my opinion.
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msibuc replied on December 26th, 2004
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Out of curiosity, are you female? I know that tends to be the male perspective, so just curious (i'm male).

It was "early" in the relationship (2, 3 months) - does that make any difference? She says they were "friends" (though I wasn't invited and she seemed to avoid mentioning she was going to "have some drinks with a friend" when I asked).

Being as objective as you can be, what do you think of the "coming over" > "maybe staying at home to clean and will let you know > no returned call > "i didn't know you were calling" > she had her cell phone with her thing (and things like it)?

She can be rather unbelievably forgetful, though oddly has an uncanny memory for things that interest her (dog breeds, horse breeds - can name most of them, e.G.). Maybe she's really just a little bit of an absent minded professor type?

Thanks.
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msibuc replied on December 26th, 2004
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I feel it's only fair to emphasize that I can handle things very directly, and tht wasn't her way. I fear my tone of voice turned her off to communication. After many months, I was getting pretty irritable about it all and, when she'd become defensive and angry at my questions, i'd become very angry right back after a while, to the point it scared her and me at times.

Just good to know for fair judgement by strangers, I suppose.

Thanks.
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SHM85 replied on December 26th, 2004
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I'm female, it all depends on the person some people don't care if there g/f or b/f goes out with the opposite sex. I believe it leads to cheating because i've seen it happen a lot exspecially when theres drinking involved. I wouldn't care how early in the relationship it was I would tell the person how I would feel about it and if they don't like it then I would find someone else that would respect my feelings about that. About her not returning your calls and letting you know whats going on I don't think she forgot, how can you forget about someone you care about or love.
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Jamie2006 replied on December 26th, 2004
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I sorta feel like she is being disrespectful. Although with that being said people go about their relationships in different ways. To her this might be a perfectly normal relationship. To you however, it seems like you need more, and to be honost with you I think any normal healthy person who knows how to give and take in a relationship would need more. Maybe you need better. Maybe she needs more time to adjust. Is she otherwise a very good girl. Does she otherwise treat you right? Can you be happy with her. If not get out before you fall too hard.
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sandyallen replied on December 26th, 2004
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If you love something or someone, set them free, if they come back it was meant to be, if not it shall never be, in the meantime, enjoy your life, this is how I feel.
Sincerely,
sandy
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msibuc replied on December 26th, 2004
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Hi again.

Would anyone mind responding to some of the specific instances I listed? It could help me come to better terms with what I might have been doing wrong, whether it seems understandable to others that I was affected as I was by them, whether people might see how she could have been doing what she was doing from a female perspective, etc..

Thanks so much.
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Jamie2006 replied on December 28th, 2004
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I think she is being disrespectful, I would never do any of that stuff to a guy I cared about.

You say at 2 months she was going on dates with other guys: well it sounds like she wasn't in to you that much or maybe didn't want any kind of commitment and was making that very clear by continueing to date.

Month 3: are you sure you were steady? Had you guys talked about it. Maybe you saw more than there was. Maybe she led you on. If she led you on or if you were mutually steady than I would say you should have dumped her as soon as you found out about it. She was not being honest with you and further more she was partying with other guys she met on match. That messed up of her to do. The only thing you did wtong is not walk away from the relationship at that point.

Month 4: I don't think that is that big of a deal, it may be a little odd since you did know the guy and judging by her past actions I think you would be justified in thinking she was hiding it from you but all in all I don't think this is too big of a deal unless this "friend" is an ex.

Month 4 or 5: damn her if I were you I would have been gone so fast. That is such a f--ked up thing to do. She blew you off and wouldn't even let you know so could have done better things with your time instead of waiting for her. I would hate to says it but she doesn't sound like she is that in to you. She sounds selfish. It seems like she wants you around but only if it is convienient for her. She obviously has no idea that relationships are a give and take.

As far as her attitude when you try to talk to her it sounds like she knows she is a b-tch and doesn't want to admit it. She is getting defensive because she knows she screwd up and but doesn't want to fix things. Get out! She will never change and she will continue to hurt you until eventually you can't take it anymore or until she finds someone else to screw with.
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Granps replied on January 17th, 2005
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Sandyallen
the butterfly? Yes, I agree. :wink:
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Granps replied on January 17th, 2005
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Msibuc
you're living in denial.. Dump her.
She obviously doesn't consider you feels and it won't get any better.
If she is serious 'bout a relationship w/ you, then she would consider your feelings, too. This is b/s............ :evil:
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sarahk replied on February 9th, 2005
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Hi! I'm female, I have male friends who I meet up with for the odd drink, but my boyfriend knows them and knows there not my type. I dont cheat just coz I have male friends and meet up with them. But your story does sound kind of suspicious! She shouldnt be staying out with guys and if she is meeting up with a fella for a drink and its harmless, she would just say who she's meeting....And it wouldnt be a big deal!

Sounds like a bit of a one sided relationship to me, i'd say find someone you deserve!
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