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lil_blaze2004

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the First 12 Weeks...
Posted: 01-04-05 12:47pm

I'm sure i'll get a lot of caca for this but...


I took this off of http://www.Prce.Org/prc_f irstnine.Html
it was on many different sites but I took it from this one. It goes past 12 weeks but I left it at that since that is usually the cut off date for when abortions are done.

The first nine months day 1 sperm joins the ovum (egg)
to form one cell — smaller than
a grain of salt. The new life has
inherited 23 chromosomes from
each parent, 46 in all. This one
cell contains the complex genetic
blueprint for every detail of
human development — the child's
sex, hair and eye color, height,
skin tone.


Days 3 - 4 the fertilized egg travels down
the fallopian tube into the uterus,
where the lining has been prepared
for implantation.


Days 5 - 9 during this time, the fertilized
egg implants itself in the rich
lining of the uterus and begins
to draw nourishment.


Days 10 - 14 the developing embryo signals
its presence through placental
chemicals and hormones, preventing
the mother from menstruating.


Day 20 foundations of the brain,
spinal cord and nervous
system are already established.


day 21-24 the heart begins to beat.


day 28 the backbone and muscles are
forming. Arms, legs, eyes and
ears have begun to show.


Day 30 at one month old, the embryo is 10,000 times
larger than the original fertilized egg — and
developing rapidly. The heart is pumping
increasing quantities of blood through the circu-
latory system. The placenta forms a unique
barrier that keeps the mother's blood separate
while allowing food and oxygen to pass through
to the embryo.


Day 35 five fingers can be discerned
in the hand. The eyes darken
as pigment is produced.


Day 40 brain waves can be detected and recorded.


Week 6 the liver is now taking over the production of
blood cells, and the brain begins to control
movement of muscles and organs.


Week 7 the embryo begins to move sponta-
neously. The jaw forms, including
teeth buds in the gums. Soon the
eyelids will seal to protect the embryo's
developing light-sensitive eyes, and will
reopen at about the seventh month.


Week 8 at a little more than an inch long, the
developing life is now called a fetus —
latin for "young one" or "offspring."
everything is now present that will be
found in a fully developed adult. The
heart has been beating for more than
a month, the stomach produces diges-
tive juices and the kidneys have begun
to function. Forty muscle sets begin to
operate in conjuction with the nervous
system. the fetus' body responds to
touch, although the mother will not be
able to feel movement until the fourth
or fifth month.



week 9 fingerprints are already evident in the
in the skin. The fetus will curve its
fingers around an object placed in the
palm of its hand.


Week 10 the uterus has now doubled
in size. The fetus can squint,
swallow and wrinkle its
forehead.


Week 11 at this time, the fetus is about
two inches long. Urination oc-
curs. The face has assumed a
baby's profile, and muscle
movements are becoming more
coordinated.


Week 12 the fetus now sleeps, awakens and exercises
its muscles energetically — turning its head,
curling its toes, and opening and closing its
mouth. The palm, when stroked, will make a
tight fist. The fetus breathes amniotic fluid
to help develop its respiratory system.


the growth pattern described above is recognized by medical information and documented by scientific research. Slight variations in developmental days may exist from individual to individual.
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:14pm

Even if this is true..So what? The mother has all those things and more yet you don't give a damn about her! You silly prolifers.. Nothing will ever trump the right to have an abortion.. Fetal pain, development, pas.. Nothing. None of it matters really.. Those are just side issues. One more thing.. Even if pas is true.. Why does it matter? Why do you worry so much about woman who suffer grief and complications from abortion but not pregnancy? Oh that's right.. You only care about what she goes through when it suits you.. As for pain and development of the fetus.. Yeah..The woman is fully developed and has twice the capacities of a fetus yet you don't care jack squat about her and what about the pain the woman feels while she is pregnant and going through labor? She shoulnd't have had sex if she didn't want to get pregnant? Well if the fetus doesn't want to be aborted.. Then it shouldn't have invaded her body.
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:29pm

Bd I posted this because of the certain people here saying that babies (sorry fetus') do not feel or there is no heartbeat untill a certain time. And the reason I say I am pro-life is because I do not completely agree with all the pro-choice stats. Although I still love my best friend who has had 2 aboritons and my aunt who had one while she was young and.....

pro choice stats:

the fetus is not a human, just a mass of tissue (i don't believe that)

abortion is safer than childbirth. (i think this a crock of caca)

every child should be a wanted child. (of course)

the number of abortions is relatively small. (don't believe that)

nobody has the right to impose their morals on me. (i believe that)

a woman should be able to control her own body. (of course to a certain extent- then prostitution and drugs should be legal too right??)

abortion must be kept legal, especially for all the rape and incest pregnancies. (yes fine)

if abortion is outlawed women will be forced to go to back-alley abortion clinics. (??????)

aborting unwanted children reduces the number of abused children. (????)

we need to remember that we are overpopulating the planet. (big deal we just lost almost 200,000 people to a natural disaster)

planned parenthood is a group that focuses on contraception. (i don't know anything about pp)

pro-life stats:

i believe that the unborn child is human. (yes)

i believe that abortion is fundamentally a civil rights issue, (yes i'm not super religious)

i believe that the roe v. Wade decision, legalizing abortion on demand in america, was one of the most important and devastating supreme court decisions. (????)

i believe that a constitutional amendment should be passed that gives equal protection to all living humans, including the unborn. (yes)

i believe that the violence inside and outside abortion clinics is morally wrong. (yes-including the protesters)

i believe that rape and incest are horrible crimes and should be punished, but I don't believe that a child conceived from either should be killed. (don't totally agree with that)

i do not believe that the government should fund abortions. (yes)

being a religious person, I believe that the bible backs up my views on abortion. (i'm not religious so no answer)

the struggle over the abortion issue has been long and hard. Is all the work worth it? Why not take a look at the baby hall of fame. http://www.Abortionfacts. Com/life_or_choice/babies/babies_saved_by_ prolife_work.Asp


by the way this was taken from http://www.Abortionfacts. Com
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:38pm

Abortion facts is a biased site.. The reason why we have a problem with those is becuase we can't fully trust the info.. It may be deceptive.. It may not be but it's still hard to trust.. Chances are if the website is dedicted to abortion.. It's biased. You may want to go to a full medical site that has info on several things in medicine and not just abortion. It's my opinion that prochoice isn't biased at all but for the sanctity of the debate.. I try to steer away from using sites that are prochoice.. It's hard to find nonbiased sites though.. That's the only thing.
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:41pm

bd1012 wrote:
abortion facts is a biased site.. The reason why we have a problem with those is becuase we can't fully trust the info.. It may be deceptive.. It may not be but it's still hard to trust.. Chances are if the website is dedicted to abortion.. It's biased. You may want to go to a full medical site that has info on several things in medicine and not just abortion. It's my opinion that prochoice isn't biased at all but for the sanctity of the debate.. I try to steer away from using sites that are prochoice.. It's hard to find nonbiased sites though.. That's the only thing.


how is it biased. It takes perspectives from both pro-lifers and pro-choicers!!!!
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:43pm

How is it biased? I can tell based on the language! Unborn baby? Proabortion people? Abortionists? Yeah... Only prolifers use that lingo.

Did you not read this?
Http://www.Abo rtionfacts.Com/abortion/q_facts.Asp

it's clearly a pl point of view answering those questions.
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:53pm

bd1012 wrote:
how is it biased? I can tell based on the language! Unborn baby? Proabortion people? Abortionists? Yeah... Only prolifers use that lingo.


Did you not read this?

Http://www.Abo rtionfacts.Com/abortion/q_facts.Asp

it's clearly a pl point of view answering those questions.


but it is an "unborn baby" it's not a baby. Ok and what do u want us to call doc's who only do abortions???? Doctor's??? Well there is a title for every type of doc and abortionist is a type.
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Posted: 01-04-05 14:59pm

I believe you call them obgyns.. Not too sure though. And no.. They are not unborn babys.. The correct term and only term is zygote/embryo/fetus. No need for "unborn baby".. The baby stage begins after birth.. That would be like saying you are a predead corpse.
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Posted: 01-04-05 15:03pm

bd1012 wrote:
i believe you call them obgyns.. Not too sure though. And no.. They are not unborn babys.. The correct term and only term is zygote/embryo/fetus. No need for "unborn baby".. The baby stage begins after birth.. That would be like saying you are a predead corpse.


actually you're right about the ob-gyn thing. I didn't do my research till after posting it. But even in newspapers and things they are called abortionists or abortion doc's.
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Posted: 01-04-05 15:22pm

That's probably because they are trying to be very specific as to what they are talking about and don't know any other term to use.
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Posted: 01-04-05 16:22pm

Prostitution is legal in certain states, in certain areas, of the u.S.A. Look at nevada. You can get a medical marijuana card in some states, so, that is legal and it does not take much to get one. I feel they should legalize mj and prostitution all over the u.S., it would sure help out on the tax situation.
Sincerely,
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Re: the First 12 Weeks...
Posted: 01-04-05 18:04pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
i'm sure i'll get a lot of caca for this but...
lets just say that it is full of "inaccuracies." inaccuracies that are as irrelevant to the issue of abortion as is anything relating to the fetus, but it is full of inaccuracies none the less.

As for your source, it is a crisis pregnancy center, a "clinic" set up specifically to combat abortions and thus is to be expected to be biased as it indeed is.

As for this:
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the growth pattern described above is recognized by medical information and documented by scientific research. Slight variations in developmental days may exist from individual to individual.
actually, ir is full of lies and is not recognized as medical or scientific information. That is why you shouldn't get your information from biased sites. While they may *say* that their claim is honest, there is no accountability for this claim. On a fast read-through, I counted 18 inaccuracies, ommissions including 6 outright **lies.**** perhaps actual, scientific sites without any kind of abortion agenda pro-or-con would have been a better source.

Is that the quality of information that you need to use to make a pro-life argument )that still doesn't have anything to do with the right to an abortion)?
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Posted: 01-04-05 18:11pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
bd I posted this because of the certain people here saying that babies (sorry fetus') do not feel or there is no heartbeat untill a certain time.
claims that have been documented from unbiased, independent, scientific sources.
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abortion is safer than childbirth. (i think this a crock of caca)
you may "think" so all you want. In *reality,* however, when in the united states 3-8 women die from about 1 mill "elective" abortions and 300-500 women die from 4.5 mill births, the ***fact*** is that abortion is much safer than giving birth. Yes, you may continue to "believe" that it is a crock of.... However, it is a belief that directly is contradicted by factual information.
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a woman should be able to control her own body. (of course to a certain extent- then prostitution and drugs should be legal too right??)
yes.
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we need to remember that we are overpopulating the planet. (big deal we just lost almost 200,000 people to a natural disaster)
a fraction of the 40 mill people that are added every year.
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why not take a look at the baby hall of fame.
thank you, I am very familiar with the "abortionfact" website. It is a major source of lies and misinformation. Pro-life at its most typical.
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Posted: 01-04-05 18:16pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
how is it biased. It takes perspectives from both pro-lifers and pro-choicers!!!!
it lies about abortions, about medical facts, about embryology and so on for the purpose of speaking out against abortion. It is very biased.

Here is a hint. Next time you use such a site, go looking for their mission statement.
Ht tp://www.Abortionfacts.Com/x_administratio n/our_mission.Asp
_____________________________
our mission

our mission is simple. We have brought together quality information on the abortion debate from many different sources and made it available to the world in one abortion megasite. we believe these facts point to an obvious conclusion. You are free to accept or reject this conclusion. we simply ask that whatever you do, do it on the basis of fact.

We believe that this information is valuable to all members of society no matter which side of the abortion issue they find themselves. We ask nothing more than the opportunity to present factual information on abortion in an honest manner to thinking people.

It is also our purpose to promote the full works of the individuals and groups who have contributed information on abortion to help make this site possible. To them we owe not only its considerable volume, but also the ultimate success of this site.
________________________________________

and while you are at it, take a look at the logo they use, a logo used throughout the pro-life movement. Next time, try to use a site that does not have an abortion agenda of any kind, eh!
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Posted: 01-04-05 18:50pm

bd1012 wrote:
even if this is true..So what? The mother has all those things and more yet you don't give a damn about her! You silly prolifers.. Nothing will ever trump the right to have an abortion.. Fetal pain, development, pas.. Nothing. None of it matters really.. Those are just side issues. One more thing.. Even if pas is true.. Why does it matter? Why do you worry so much about woman who suffer grief and complications from abortion but not pregnancy? Oh that's right.. You only care about what she goes through when it suits you.. As for pain and development of the fetus.. Yeah..The woman is fully developed and has twice the capacities of a fetus yet you don't care jack squat about her and what about the pain the woman feels while she is pregnant and going through labor? She shoulnd't have had sex if she didn't want to get pregnant? Well if the fetus doesn't want to be aborted.. Then it shouldn't have invaded her body.


"even if this is true...So what" you have got to be kidding me..Right?
But then again it really does not suprise me. Your mother shared her abortion experience(s) with you and taught you that this disgusting practice is alright. Pathetic

our children are having these abortions because they were not taught right from wrong. Too many parents are to busy with their own lives concentrating on their career, drugs, partying etc.. To sit their children down and talk with them about sex.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."—exodus 21:22-24.

I fear for these murderers in the next life
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Posted: 01-04-05 19:03pm

[quote="xxxxxx"]"even if this is true...So what" you have got to be kidding me..Right?

But then again it really does not suprise me. Your mother shared her abortion experience(s) with you and taught you that this disgusting practice is alright. Pathetic[/qote]yadda, yadda. Another ranting anti-choice fundie misogynist has arrived.
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eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."—exodus 21:22-24.
actually, that is verses 24-25. At least know the bible when you quote from it.

And when you quote the whole thing, I actually is the only place in the bible where we see a comparable worth of the fetus:
22 "when men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

And funny enough, it shows the fetus as property and the woman as a person. When the fetus miscarried but the woman is not harmed, then we are talking about a fine for loss of property. If the womani s harmed in the process as well, then the punishment is that of a harm to a person.

Thanks for bringing up that part of the bible, where it is confirmed that god doesn't value the fetus as much as the woman. (even if you couldn't even get the verses right).
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i fear for these not a nice persons in the next life
pascal's wager really is a rather stupid argument to make here.
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Posted: 01-04-05 21:12pm

jlee77 wrote:
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well if the fetus doesn't want to be aborted.. Then it shouldn't have invaded her body."

the baby did not invade her body. He didn't "break" through and force his way in. He got there on part of the mother. It's pretty simple actually.
incorrect. The blastocyst would indeed have passed right through the uterus, had it not invaded the uterine lining, destroying a lot of the woman's tissue in the process
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Posted: 01-04-05 21:48pm

jlee77 wrote:
sad I have to explain this......

Here, let me write it slowly:

n-o-t w-i-t-h-o-u-t t-h-e m-o-t-h-e-r-s a-c-t-i-o-n-s--
can a baby enter a womb.
as a baby can't enter a womb even with the motehr's help, your claim is still stupid and false. Typing slowly obviously didn't help you any. Must be inherent stupidity in you then, I guess.
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Posted: 04-17-05 22:36pm

This was posted a long time ago but I just have to say something about what someone said (("well if the fetus doesn't want to be aborted.. Then it shouldn't have invaded her body")) I didnt go on reading because I didnt want to hear any more sad and evil statements like that one!! How in the world could anyone even say that .. I know!- if you are evil or have a corrupt mind! Yes the mother may go through a lot during pregnancy but hell if she didnt want a baby use protection!!!! It is soooooooooo not that babys fault that the 'dummy' didnt use or make someone use some type of protection or keep her legs closed! "invaded" her body what the hell kind of psychotic health question are you?!! If something "invaded" her body it's her fault. Maybe I should keep my thoughts to myself which I usually do but on this one that was just to hard to do. I think you or anyone else with that type of attitude should keep your thoughts and comments to yourselves !!!
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Posted: 04-18-05 00:07am

Although I don't think the fetus 'invaded' the womans body, I do think that since that woman is going to be that childs life support for 9 months, she shouldn't do it if she doesn't want to. She wont take care of her body, or her baby, and she'd be depressed having to be forced to do something she doesn't. Thats my say, the end.
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