Had enough of calling it preborn, unborn
or fetus...It's a baby! No matter what
way you look at it...It's a baby! I don't
give a dam* about your scientific
language....Look at picutures of a
devolping child....It has feet, it has
eyes, it has hands...So to hel* with all
the medical and scientific terms...It's a
baby...A child....And it is alive! And
when you make the decision to abort...You
make the decision to kill. It's plain and
simple..
*phew* I feel better now.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Re: Okay I've Posted: 01-08-05 08:54am
mom2trevor
wrote:
*phew* I feel better
now.
yes, emotional rants
seems to be your style.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-08-05 12:27pm
Just like being a jerk is your style
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Re: Okay I've Posted: 01-08-05 14:08pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
had enough of calling it
preborn, unborn or fetus...It's a baby!
No matter what way you look at it...It's a
baby! I don't give a dam* about your
scientific language....Look at picutures
of a devolping child....It has feet, it
has eyes, it has hands...So to hel* with
all the medical and scientific
terms...It's a baby...A child....And it is
alive! And when you make the decision to
abort...You make the decision to kill.
It's plain and simple..
*phew* I feel better
now.
sigh.. Your worthless to debate with..
Absolutely worthless. It looks like a
baby yes but infancy or "babyhood"
doensn't begin until birth. Nvm.. I"m
done debating with you.. You don't care
about understanding anything about us.
If you think abortion is wrong.. Fine but
don't try to legislate your belief when
you aren't willing to use anything but
emotional claptrap.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-08-05 14:27pm
So the abortion debate has nothing to do
with emotion? It's just all statistics
huh?
Bd--you were worthless to debate with to
begin with considering everything you say
has been said before by *the dr*
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Mom2trevor Posted: 01-08-05 14:47pm
I am so glad that you feel better, have
you thought about some anger management
classes, it might help you and jlee.
Just because you say it is doesn't make it
right. I used to think that it was a
baby too until I learned that it is not in
nursing school, then I understood why.
The best to you!
Sandy
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Jlee Posted: 01-11-05 01:17am
Why must you always belittle yourself, you
really need to get over your anger of
others and your jealousy of others.
The best to you.
Sandy
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-11-05 01:48am
What reason does jlee have to be jealous
of you? Please enlighten me...And as for
you ms dandy sandy...My anger is quiet
fine thank you. It's just that people who
are arrogant and irrititating really push
my buttons.
You dear are very spiteful and rude...
Have a nice day
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meagainstthewotld
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 76 Location: planet me
Posted: 01-11-05 03:36am
When will people realize that there is
someone paying for this site to be here
for us to debate,is it fair on them that
everyone is resulting to insults,and the
art of debate as been lost.
Really people should we persecute people
for thier beliefs or opinions.Whether they
be for or against termination,everybody is
entitled to have their own beliefs.Is that
not an integeral part of the american
constitution.I have never seen a debate
won on emotional arguments,always on
factual, and the ability to communicate
said facts across to the opposition.So
even though I agree with mom2trevor that
from conception it is a child{not a
parasite,which child would feel better
knowing his mother thought him/her a
parasite}but just like one side using the
word parasite ,the other side using the
word baby is just has emotive and causes
the same strong reaction in people.
That said can we please try to stop
insulting each other,it is detrimental to
the debate and bellitles both sides.I must
admit I have been has bad as the rest in
my attacks and insults towards
steen,though steen certainly is no
shrinking violet when it comes to
insulting people.Please none of this I
will if they will or they started it
first,we are all adults not children in
the playground,lets just stop it and start
again. Thank you everyone
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nikl
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 32 Location: us
Jlee77 Posted: 01-11-05 16:46pm
"ghetto nurse high?" please explain your
meaning of this. I don't believe "ghetto"
has anything to do with this subject, if
there is one in the first place unless of
course you actually live in the "ghetto"
and have had experience with a so called
"ghetto nursing school." I am assuming
you mean poverty when you refer to ghetto
and I see no meaning behind this statement
or relevence except saying a poor nursing
school which would be better to say then
sounding racists no matter what ethnic
background you are.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-11-05 17:17pm
meagainstthewotld
wrote:
when will people realize
that there is someone paying for this site
to be here for us to debate,is it fair on
them that everyone is resulting to
insults,and the art of debate as been
lost.
the are of debate is lost
when the first lie is pushed.
Quote:
really people
should we persecute people for thier
beliefs or opinions.Whether they be for or
against termination,everybody is entitled
to have their own
beliefs.
absolutely. Opinions
are fine, lies are not. Do you agree?
Quote:
is that not an
integeral part of the american
constitution.I have never seen a debate
won on emotional arguments,always on
factual, and the ability to communicate
said facts across to the
opposition.
so when one side uses
non-factual data it harms that side,
right? When prolifers post
already-proven falsehoods, it measn that
you are losing the discussion, right? So
why isn't it in your own interest to reign
in those lies amongst yourself to regain
some emasure of credibility rather than
uncritically support the liars?
Quote:
so even though I
agree with mom2trevor that from conception
it is a child{not a parasite,which child
would feel better knowing his mother
thought him/her a parasite}but just like
one side using the word parasite ,the
other side using the word baby is just has
emotive and causes the same strong
reaction in
people.
and the *accurate* terms,
of course are zygote, embryo or fetus.
Or to simplify, they are also
scientifically known as products of
conception. Revisionist prolife
linguistics does not foster debate. If
you want serious debate, sweep before your
own door first, then we can talk.
Quote:
that said can we
please try to stop insulting each other,it
is detrimental to the debate and bellitles
both sides.I must admit I have been has
bad as the rest in my attacks and insults
towards steen,though steen certainly is no
shrinking violet when it comes to
insulting
people.
quite]i give back what I
receive. If you don't want my comments,
stop your own.
Quote:
please none of
this I will if they will or they started
it first,
oh, how nice. I already
showed where you started it with your very
first post. Perhaps you are now
regretting what you started and are trying
to avoid owing up to it? Because
certainly your lame attempt at denying
your attack didn't worrk. If you want
respect, you have to earn it. And you
can start this by acknowledging your own
hand in this. I have a really good
memory in that area.
Quote:
we are all adults
not children in the playground,lets just
stop it and start again. Thank you
everyone
as I have pointed out
before, as long as pro-life don't lie, you
won't be called on it. And I have
offered to back off if you police your
own, that is prolife get on the case of
other prolifers when they post their
outright falsehoods. Deal?
And, no. To correctly identify somebody
as a liar when they lie is not an insult,
but rather is a fact.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Thanks Nikl! Posted: 01-11-05 17:36pm
I started to post something about what was
posted but, I know that she would have
came back w/blah, blah, blah so I just
considered the source(jlee) as she is just
rude. I have learned that there is good
and bad wherever you go. Welcome and
thanks again!
Sincerely
sandy
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Moira
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere where it rains a lot
Re: Okay I've Posted: 01-15-05 16:04pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
had enough of calling it
preborn, unborn or fetus...It's a baby!
No matter what way you look at it...It's a
baby!
prove it.
mom2trevor
wrote:
i don't give a dam* about
your scientific language....Look at
picutures of a devolping child....It has
feet,
so a child without feet isn't a child?
m2t
wrote:
it has
eyes,
so a child without eyes isn't a child?
m2t
wrote:
it has
hands...
so a child without hands isn't a child?
Then what's the point of saying all this?
And what about terminations that take
place before there are hands, feet etc?
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lil_blaze2004
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Re: Okay I've Posted: 01-20-05 16:09pm
moira
wrote:
mom2trevor
wrote:
had enough of calling it
preborn, unborn or fetus...It's a baby!
No matter what way you look at it...It's a
baby!
prove it.
mom2trevor
wrote:
i don't give a dam* about
your scientific language....Look at
picutures of a devolping child....It has
feet,
so a child without feet isn't a child?
m2t
wrote:
it has
eyes,
so a child without eyes isn't a child?
m2t
wrote:
it has
hands...
so a child without hands isn't a child?
Then what's the point of saying all this?
And what about terminations that take
place before there are hands, feet
etc?
ugh this is ridiculous.....
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-20-05 20:08pm
Well, if you don't like the answers,
perhaps you should evaluate the silliness
of the prolife arguments. There was
nothing silly in the replies to m2t's
post. M made claims, and they were
questioned. If you don't like the
answers, it seems to be beacuse the
original claims were overly stupid.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Posted: 01-24-05 00:39am
Words' meanings are depedant on their
usage, and one word can be used in more
than one way. An unborn human being can
be and is often called a baby. Sure that
isn't the correct medical or legal term,
but it doesn't mean they are wrong for
using the word that way. And an unborn
human being has names for certain stages
of its' life just as it does after birth.
A being can have more than one noun or
adjective describing it. Thank you.
Besides, it doesn't matter what you call
it... Your still killing a human being, a
human life, in an abortion... Does anyone
deny that?
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-24-05 01:19am
Very well said where_is_the_line
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-24-05 01:19am
Very well said where_is_the_line
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Kourtney08
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Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-24-05 01:32am
Why does it matter? A woman shouldn't be
forced to do something with her body that
she doesn't want. Period. I wouldn't get
an abortion, but I wouldn't belittle
someone for doing so, a womans body is her
temple, she can choose what she wants to
do with it, without the petty comments and
judgemental people.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-24-05 01:45am
where_is_the_line
wrote:
words' meanings are depedant
on their usage, and one word can be used
in more than one way. An unborn human
being can be and is often called a
baby.
well, words can also be
"used" where their use is meaningless,
just like you did. As a "being" is an
individual entity, it simply never can
apply to the unborn. So your use of
words are celear nonsense. Is that one
of the uses you were trying to
demonstrate?
Quote:
sure that isn't
the correct medical or legal
term,
no kidding. In
reality, it contradicts medical legal and
common english. Nice going there.
Quote:
but it doesn't
mean they are wrong for using the word
that way.
deliberately using a word
in an invalid fashion because real words
don't meet the antichoicers pathetic need
for drama and hyperbole, and thus being
deliberately deceptive, that is highly
wrong.
Quote:
and an unborn
human being
no such thing exists.
You are blabbering your antichoice
revisionist linguistics for the purpose of
being deceptive. How pathetic and
shameful of you.
Quote:
has names for
certain stages of its' life just as it
does after birth. A being can have more
than one noun or adjective describing it.
Thank you.
quite. However, using
outright incorrect descriptors, and doing
so deliberately is a blatant attempt at
lying.
Quote:
besides, it
doesn't matter what you call it... Your
still killing a human being, a human life,
in an abortion... Does anyone deny
that?
certainly. As your
description is outright false, no such
thing is occuring. Your silly claim and
demogogery is outright false.
