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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
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Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Are Women Dying to Terminate?
Posted: 01-11-05 03:58am
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The manufacturer of methotrexate warns
that althought methotrexate has been shown
usefull in the treatment of certian types
of cancer and sever cases of arthritis
deaths are reported with the use of
methotrexate.
Although termination doctors dismiss such
concerns because of the low doseage used
in terminations other doctors have
disagreed.
And the package insert clearly states that
toxic effects may be related to freguency
and severity of dose but have been seen at
all doseage levels.
Is it right to go on using this drug in
the pretence of helping the woman improve
her situation?
Should women be allowed to die to improve
their situation?
I do,nt think so ........ Do you?
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meagainstthewotld
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 76
Location: planet me
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Posted: 01-11-05 04:05am
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Sorry voted wrong there I meant to vote
that if it is killing women then yes they
should stop using it
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steen
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Posts: 1797
Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 01-11-05 17:22pm
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Mtx is used for termination in cases of
ectopic pregnancies. The alternative is
risikier surgeries. Why would you want
to prohibit that tool for dealing with
ectopic pregnancy?
Ah, you are talking about using it instead
of ru486. You are claiming that it is
more unsafe in that process than when used
for ectopic pregnancies?
Now, I would love to see the evidence of
all these women that died from mtx of
their ectopic pregnancies or abortions in
general (given its rare use).
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-11-05 18:05pm
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I believe that it depends on the situation
as each situation can be different, as in
an abortion.
Sincerely,
sandy
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-12-05 10:47am
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| steen
wrote: | mtx is used for termination
in cases of ectopic pregnancies. The
alternative is risikier surgeries.
Why would you want to prohibit that tool
for dealing with ectopic pregnancy?
What riskier than possible death?
Ah, you are talking about using it instead
of ru486. You are claiming that it is
more unsafe in that process than when used
for ectopic pregnancies?
I am claiming it is unsafe full stop.
Now, I would love to see the evidence of
all these women that died from mtx of
their ectopic pregnancies or abortions in
general (given its rare
use). |
did I say they had died ? Errrm no but
if possible death is a reason to end a
pregnancy how can you condone the usage of
this medication?
It is,nt just terminations that
methrotezate is used. The point I am
trying to make is that it is supposed to
give a better quality of life to the user
no matter what it is used for. Is death
an acceptible penalty for a better quality
of life (bare in mind i,m talking a better
quality of life for the mother not the
embryo)
heres some links so you can do your own
research steen maybe then it won,t be
lies.
Http://www.Nrcl.Org
/abortion/asmf/asmf7.Html
ht
tp://www.Ncbi.Nml.Nih.Gov/entrez/query.Fcg
=retrieve7db=pubmed&dopt=abstract&
list-uids=7034929
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Are Women Dying to Terminate
Posted: 01-15-05 11:49am
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Methotrexate attacks the fast growing
cells of the trophoblast (the tissue
surounding the embryo which later becomes
the placenta).The placenta produces
hcg(human chorionic gonudotropin) a
hormone that signals to the corpus luteurn
to continue the production of progesterone
necessary to prevent the beak down of the
utrine lining and loss of
pregnancy.Methotrexate initiates the
dissintergrationof this and deprived of
food and oxeygen the embryo dies.
How can you now say that methotrexate is
not used in terminations doctor? Oh and
please stop running from evidence at least
be man enough to admit when your wrong.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-16-05 05:42am
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| jlee77
wrote: | steen is not a man.
He is a lying little man troll. So don't
expect him to stop running!
:wink: |
surly his legs must be tired by now lol.
You can keep running from the truth doctor
but it will catch up with you.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
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Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-19-05 02:32am
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No response steen I take it your not man
enough to face the evidence that you
requested then.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-19-05 11:59am
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Lol he,s nothing more than a half wit he
asks for evidence and then trys to get
away with i,ll answere that next week.
Myself I think hes running scared to face
the truth and be proven irrevocably that
he is the one to lie I mean all the
evidence is there but he still says
methotrexate is,nt used in first trimester
terminations only in ectopic pregnancies.
Steen come on man get a grip this drug is
killing people I thought you wanted
freedom of choice surely you want that
freedom of choice to be safe? If not
please do,nt pretend you are on here to
help women.
Last edited by FISHX on 01-19-05 16:45pm; edited 1 time in total
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-19-05 12:18pm
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Jeez.. Make up your mind people.. You
complain that's he's on here too much and
now you're complaining that he's not
answering quick enough. Maybe he unlike
you.. Has a life!!! :shock:
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Bd
Posted: 01-19-05 12:24pm
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Are you and steen related by any chance
it,s just that you seem to like answering
for him . Do you wipe his nose for him
to?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-19-05 12:51pm
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Oh jeezus fucking christ is that all you
can come up with?? I just get pissed off
when you all complain about people being
on here too much and then when they are
gone you bitch and moan that they don't
answer quick enough. We don't have a
responsbility to be here whenever it suits
you so deal with it. Btw are you and
jlee related because you seem to talk/type
just like her... With the same insults
and the lame "bd follows steen" bs.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-19-05 13:00pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | oh jeezus fucking
christ is that all you can come up with??
I just get pissed off when you all
complain about people being on here too
much and then when they are gone you
bitch and moan that they don't
answer quick enough. We don't have a
responsbility to be here whenever it suits
you so deal with it. Btw are you and
jlee related because you seem to talk/type
just like her... With the same insults
and the lame "bd follows steen"
bs. |
please show where I have complained steen
was on here to much or said that you
follow steen thank you .
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bd1012
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Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-19-05 13:18pm
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I don't personally think you have said it
but I think jlee and a few others have
repeatedly told him to get a life. As
for me following steen.. Look at your
above post.. Just what do you expect me
to think when I read that?
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Are Women Dying to Terminate
Posted: 01-19-05 13:41pm
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Yes actualy sorry about that I just
started ranting very immature of me once
again sorry it just seems that when
steen is asked a question you answer it.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Jlee
Posted: 01-19-05 14:22pm
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Lol you mean i,m right that must be a
first :wink:
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Jlee
Posted: 01-19-05 14:26pm
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What time is it over there this is the
first time someone else has been online at
the same time lol.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 920
Location: UK
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Posted: 01-19-05 14:48pm
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It,s 7.45 pm here it aint half quiet on
here in the day time around 12.00 pm its
dead. It must be nice to have s stalker
she seems very mixed up and confused to me
I do,nt think she,s sure what to think.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-19-05 18:59pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | it is 2:37 pm as I write.
What time is it there?
I might be signing off here in a minute
though until a little later. Let me
know what time it is though. I know
what ya mean, nobody hits at the same time
anymore! Except bd always seems to be
lurking unfortunately. She's obsessed
with me. Hahahahaha
:wink: |
uhhuh.. So fucking what if I am always
lurking or not? Btw.. I haven't been on
for like 5 hours at least today so no..
I'm not always lurking... And i'm
obsessed with you? Yeah.. Whatever..
When are you going to pm me again with
your hatemongering btw?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-19-05 19:00pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | it,s 7.45 pm here it aint
half quiet on here in the day time around
12.00 pm its dead. It must be nice to
have s stalker she seems very mixed up and
confused to me I do,nt think she,s sure
what to
think. |
just how the hell am I mixed up and no i'm
not stalking jlee..
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