Should doctors stop using methotrexate in terminations?
yes they should stop
62%
[ 5 ]
no they should,nt
37%
[ 3 ]
Total Votes : 8
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-27-05 17:03pm
[quote="steen"][
quote:
well clever clogs what dictionary does med
line use,yes you got it merriam websters.
It uses stedman's medical dictionary. Why
are you lying?[quote]
it uses merriam websters liar if you click
on dictionary in there it comes up merriam
websters
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 17:04pm
foreverblue
wrote:
there are no links other
than the two ehealth forum on this
thread,posted by you so what evidence do
they point to,your
word,
illiterate person, there
is a scientific reference in those posts,
a reference directly to the only
abortion/mtx/risk scientific journal
article in all of medline.
Yes, that is right. A scientific
reference. You know, author, title,
journal, volume, page, year. Don't tell
me that you never heard of such a thing,
or that unless there is a direct link to a
website, information doesn't exist? You
got to be dumber than snot if you don't
know what a reference is.
Quote:
and no you did
not state they pointed to your
posts
i didn't originally say
so when I copied the links in from the
address bar. I stated that this was
weher I had procvided the evidence. Here
is what was being said, illiterate
person:
Quote:
fishx
wrote:
and where did you present your evidence
then duck I havent seen one scrap of
evidence of you .
steen
wrote:
yes. Your willingness to
lie is not unanticipated. Here are the
posts:
<
span class="postbody">yes, the discussion
is about my evidence and where it was
posted.
So no, I didn't say "those links lead to
my posts," that is right. Nor have I
said so, but obviously you are so much an
illiterate person that you can't figure
this out on your own; that those links
lead to wher I provided evidence. The
reality is that I provided references to
scientific evidence contradicting fishx's
lies. That you are now all in a tissy
about this makes me wonder what you had
invested in that lie.
Do I need to repost those two entire posts
here, or are you just about smart enough
to be able to go back and find those posts
on your own?
Sheesh, prolifers are dragging out the
troglodytes now (yes, that was an insult,
stupid person).
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-27-05 17:15pm
Awwwwwwwwwww your such a smoothy whats up
time for a nappy change?
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-27-05 17:20pm
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
there are no links other
than the two ehealth forum on this
thread,posted by you so what evidence do
they point to,your
word,
illiterate person, there
is a scientific reference in those posts,
a reference directly to the only
abortion/mtx/risk scientific journal
article in all of medline.
Yes, that is right. A scientific
reference. You know, author, title,
journal, volume, page, year. Don't tell
me that you never heard of such a thing,
or that unless there is a direct link to a
website, information doesn't exist? You
got to be dumber than snot if you don't
know what a reference is.
Quote:
and no you did
not state they pointed to your
posts
i didn't originally say
so when I copied the links in from the
address bar. I stated that this was
weher I had procvided the evidence.
Here is what was being said, illiterate
person:
Quote:
fishx
wrote:
and where did you present your evidence
then duck I havent seen one scrap of
evidence of you .
steen
wrote:
yes. Your willingness to
lie is not unanticipated. Here are the
posts:
<
span class="postbody">yes, the discussion
is about my evidence and where it was
posted.
So no, I didn't say "those links lead to
my posts," that is right. Nor have I
said so, but obviously you are so much an
illiterate person that you can't figure
this out on your own; that those links
lead to wher I provided evidence. The
reality is that I provided references to
scientific evidence contradicting fishx's
lies. That you are now all in a tissy
about this makes me wonder what you had
invested in that lie.
Do I need to repost those two entire posts
here, or are you just about smart enough
to be able to go back and find those posts
on your own?
Sheesh, prolifers are dragging out the
troglodytes now (yes, that was an insult,
stupid
person).
how funny,why are you so rattled steen,is
it because I am proving you to be the
lying racist you are.Hows that for
hypocrisy,you call me an illiterate person
and you cant spell,what a joke,you really
are childish.Eveyone knows that resorting
to insults is the first sign you have lost
the argument,next step for you steen is
violence.
the manufacturer of methotrexate warns
that althought methotrexate has been shown
usefull in the treatment of certian types
of cancer and sever cases of arthritis
deaths are reported with the use of
methotrexate.
Although termination doctors dismiss such
concerns because of the low doseage used
in terminations other doctors have
disagreed.
And the package insert clearly states that
toxic effects may be related to freguency
and severity of dose but have been seen at
all doseage levels.
Is it right to go on using this drug in
the pretence of helping the woman improve
her situation?
Should women be allowed to die to improve
their situation?
I do,nt think so ........ Do you?
Back to top
that is my original post where did I say
women have died ?
I asked should women be allowed to die to
improve their situation so please find my
lie.
Or are you now trying to say that I am the
manufacturer of methotrexate?
Last edited by FISHX on 01-27-05 17:27pm; edited 1 time in total
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-27-05 17:23pm
Oh but I forgot if the violence is done by
prochoice thats ok with you isnt it
steen.As proven in prolife arson buisness
as usual,where you tried to claim that
prochoice dont commit violence
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 17:42pm
foreverblue
wrote:
how funny,why are you so
rattled
steen,
rattled? Huh? I guess
I am tired of the barrage of lies spewed
here right now, such as when you outright
lies and claimed that I had not provvided
a reference. Yes, it is now clear that
you lie as much as the other prolifers.
So be it.
Quote:
.Eveyone knows
that resorting to insults is the first
sign you have lost the argument,next step
for you steen is
violence.
is it now? On what do
you base that accusation? Violance, of
course, being the specialty of the
prolifers.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-27-05 17:50pm
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
how funny,why are you so
rattled
steen,
rattled? Huh? I
guess I am tired of the barrage of lies
spewed here right now, such as when you
outright lies and claimed that I had not
provvided a reference. Yes, it is now
clear that you lie as much as the other
prolifers. So be it.
Quote:
.Eveyone knows
that resorting to insults is the first
sign you have lost the argument,next step
for you steen is
violence.
is it now? On what do
you base that accusation? Violance, of
course, being the specialty of the
prolifers.
you are so funny why are you not on
stage.It is also clear to me that you lie
through your teeth and wouldnt know the
truth if it bit you on the ass.
You are a hypocritical lying racist steen
and as such have no credibility.I see you
are still lying and trying to pretend that
prochoicers do not commit violence.Even
though I posted the evidence,once again
you choose to ignore it because it dosent
fit your twisted view of the world.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 17:54pm
fishx
wrote:
posted: 01-11-05 3:58am
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the manufacturer of methotrexate warns
that althought methotrexate has been shown
usefull in the treatment of certian types
of cancer and sever cases of arthritis
deaths are reported with the use of
methotrexate.
Although termination doctors dismiss such
concerns because of the low doseage used
in terminations other doctors have
disagreed.
And the package insert clearly states that
toxic effects may be related to freguency
and severity of dose but have been seen at
all doseage levels.
Is it right to go on using this drug in
the pretence of helping the woman improve
her situation?
Should women be allowed to die to improve
their situation?
I do,nt think so ........ Do you?
Back to top
that is my original post where did I say
women have died ?
I asked should women be allowed to die to
improve their situation so please find my
lie.
yes, you asked if women
should eb allowed to die, when *in
fact<* they are not. So your entire
premise is outright false. So again,
where is the justification for your
statement about women dying? Yup, that's
right, nowhere.
Quote:
or are you now
trying to say that I am the manufacturer
of
methotrexate?
nope. I am saying that
your claim about mtx is outright false and
has no bnearing in reality where women are
*not* dying from mtx abortions. As such,
your very question is based ona false
premise. And again, that the very
implication for a medication so important
for ectopic pregnancies is pure
scaremongering.
Are you now hoping that women with ectopic
pregnancies will refuse to take the med
because they read your falsehoods, and
thus die? Is that the kind of pride you
take in your owrds?
So again, where is the substanmce to your
claim? Where is the evidence that women
have been harmed from mtx abortions?
No? You are saying that you made no such
implication? Then your entire post and
the tread you started is an outright
dishonesty. So you are damned if you do
and damned if you don't. Because either
way, your implication was false and your
posting dishonest.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-27-05 17:57pm
steen
wrote:
fishx
wrote:
posted: 01-11-05 3:58am
------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
the manufacturer of methotrexate warns
that althought methotrexate has been shown
usefull in the treatment of certian types
of cancer and sever cases of arthritis
deaths are reported with the use of
methotrexate.
Although termination doctors dismiss such
concerns because of the low doseage used
in terminations other doctors have
disagreed.
And the package insert clearly states that
toxic effects may be related to freguency
and severity of dose but have been seen at
all doseage levels.
Is it right to go on using this drug in
the pretence of helping the woman improve
her situation?
Should women be allowed to die to improve
their situation?
I do,nt think so ........ Do you?
Back to top
that is my original post where did I say
women have died ?
I asked should women be allowed to die to
improve their situation so please find my
lie.
yes, you asked if women
should eb allowed to die, when *in
fact<* they are not. So your entire
premise is outright false. So again,
where is the justification for your
statement about women dying? Yup,
that's right, nowhere.
Quote:
or are you now
trying to say that I am the manufacturer
of
methotrexate?
nope. I am saying that
your claim about mtx is outright false and
has no bnearing in reality where women are
*not* dying from mtx abortions. As
such, your very question is based ona
false premise. And again, that the very
implication for a medication so important
for ectopic pregnancies is pure
scaremongering.
Are you now hoping that women with ectopic
pregnancies will refuse to take the med
because they read your falsehoods, and
thus die? Is that the kind of pride you
take in your owrds?
So again, where is the substanmce to your
claim? Where is the evidence that women
have been harmed from mtx abortions?
No? You are saying that you made no
such implication? Then your entire post
and the tread you started is an outright
dishonesty. So you are damned if you do
and damned if you don't. Because either
way, your implication was false and your
posting
dishonest.
this post is illegible please try better
next time
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 17:59pm
foreverblue
wrote:
oh but I forgot if the
violence is done by prochoice thats ok
with you isnt it
steen.
nope.
Quote:
as proven in
prolife arson buisness as usual,where you
tried to claim that prochoice dont commit
violence
i did not try any such
thing. Are you at all able to post
without lying anymore?
How sad. And you looked like you had
potential for honest discussions when you
started. To bad.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 18:02pm
foreverblue
wrote:
you wrote words for all we
know you could of made it up there was no
links to prove your evidence,mr
hypocrite,racist
liar.
.I.M.B.E.C.I.L.E.
I.L.L.I.T.E.R.A.T.E. person.,
there was a reference to a scientific
article. Are you just stupid, or ahve
you never heard of scientific evidence?
Gosh, I swear. Prolifers are getting
dumber by the hour.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 18:07pm
foreverblue
wrote:
the problem with you is it
appears that you suffer from severe memory
loss,as everything I say about you can be
proven,
then do it, stinking liar
(yup, and suddenly the stinking prolife
liars slinks into the woodwords. No
surprise there).
Quote:
and we can all
read what you have or havent posted
steen
indeed. Yet nobody are
able to prove their lies about me. What
a incredibly' not surprise.
I swear, there are no bigger liars than
prolifers. Bearing false witness is more
than a profession for you guys, it is a
vocation. Guess you guys read a
different bible than I do, because mine
clearly admonishes us to not bear false
witness. Ah well, to each their own.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 18:10pm
foreverblue
wrote:
you are so funny why are you
not on stage.It is also clear to me that
you lie through your teeth and wouldnt
know the truth if it bit you on the
ass.
yes, you keep on claiming
this, except that you seems to always
"forget" to actually prove your stinking
lies. Must have slipped your lying mind,
eh!
Quote:
i see you are
still lying and trying to pretend that
prochoicers do not commit
violence.
do you see that now? As
I never claimed that, you are now seeing
what is not there. So you are also
delusional. That would explain a bit.
Quote:
even though I
posted the
evidence,
where, stinking liar?
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 18:16pm
fishx
wrote:
this post is illegible
please try better next
time
no, fishx, the post was
fine. You just didn't have any defence
for your lies anymore. Add "coward" to
your characteristics.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-28-05 01:35am
jlee77
wrote:
the bible also states "thou
shall not
kill".
actually, it is thou
shall not homicide. A major
mistranslation that prolifers refuse to
acknowledge. So be it. Because yes the
bible is full of killings. Most of which
are ordered by god. And killing also
involves anything you eat. So clearly
your claim is outright silly.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-28-05 01:55am
Hey knob head my post speaks for itself or
are you claiming to know more about
methotrexate than the manufacturer how
surprisingly arrogant of you doctor.
Are you trained and experienced in the use
of antimetabolite therapy?
Last edited by FISHX on 01-28-05 05:55am; edited 1 time in total
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-28-05 02:01am
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
you are so funny why are you
not on stage.It is also clear to me that
you lie through your teeth and wouldnt
know the truth if it bit you on the
ass.
yes, you keep on claiming
this, except that you seems to always
"forget" to actually prove your stinking
lies. Must have slipped your lying
mind, eh!
Quote:
i see you are
still lying and trying to pretend that
prochoicers do not commit
violence.
do you see that now?
As I never claimed that, you are now
seeing what is not there. So you are
also delusional. That would explain a
bit.
Quote:
even though I
posted the
evidence,
where, stinking
liar?
why are you talking about yourself mr
racist,you are so hilarious ,you are so
stupid you continue to call me an
illiterate person and yet your posts are
getting worse in their illegibility,your
post are almost illegible due to your
atrocious butchering of the english
language.I have proved you a liar a racist
and a hypocrite,everyone but you can see
it,but that is no surprise,you are so
thick you cannot see what is staring you
in the face.
Me delusional,no steen thats your problem
not mine,your the one that sees things
that are not there,you want something you
never give :ie evidence,here you go,i said
prochoice commit violence,you called me a
liar,therefore defending prochoice
violence and attacking prolife,makes you a
hypocrite in everyones eyes.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-28-05 11:02am
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
you are so funny why are you
not on stage.It is also clear to me that
you lie through your teeth and wouldnt
know the truth if it bit you on the
ass.
yes, you keep on claiming
this, except that you seems to always
"forget" to actually prove your stinking
lies. Must have slipped your lying
mind, eh!
Quote:
i see you are
still lying and trying to pretend that
prochoicers do not commit
violence.
do you see that now?
As I never claimed that, you are now
seeing what is not there. So you are
also delusional. That would explain a
bit.
Quote:
even though I
posted the
evidence,
where, stinking
liar?
why are you talking about yourself mr
racist,you are so hilarious ,you are so
stupid you continue to call me an
illiterate person and yet your posts are
getting worse in their illegibility,your
post are almost illegible due to your
atrocious butchering of the english
language.I have proved you a liar a racist
and a hypocrite,everyone but you can see
it,but that is no surprise,you are so
thick you cannot see what is staring you
in the face.
Me delusional,no steen thats your problem
not mine,your the one that sees things
that are not there,you want something you
never give :ie evidence,here you go,i said
prochoice commit violence,you called me a
liar,therefore defending prochoice
violence and attacking prolife,makes you a
hypocrite in everyones
eyes.
well steens always been hypocritical so
why is any one surprised that he has now
been shown without dobt what a lying
hypocritical arrogant egotistic little
knob he is?
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-28-05 11:21am
steen
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
the bible also states "thou
shall not
kill".
actually, it is thou
shall not not a nice act. A major
mistranslation that prolifers refuse to
acknowledge. So be it. Because yes
the bible is full of killings. Most of
which are ordered by god. And killing
also involves anything you eat. So
clearly your claim is outright
silly.
the commandment "thou shall not kill" (
exodus 20:13; deuteronomy 5:17), is better
understood to mean "you shall not
homicide," most modern translations of the
bible rendered it this way. According to
the bible not all killing, the taking of a
life, is homicide. homicide is the
unlawfully taking of human life. the command not
to homicide applies to human beings, not
to killing animals or plant life for food.
God gave animals to mankind for his use
( genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). But,
this does not mean that humans have the
right mistreat animals and the environment
( genesis 2:15; deuteronomy 22:6-7; 25:4;
proverbs 12:10). Under the old covenant
god allowed the israelites to kill other
humans under very special circumstances
such as punishment for certain sins, for
example, homicide ( exodus 21:12-14,
leviticus 24:17, 21) and adultery (
leviticus 20:10, deuteronomy 22:22-24).
God also allowed the israelites to engage
in warfare and even gave them instructions
about waging war ( deuteronomy 20:1-20).
God also recognized that humans might
accidentally kill each other, and he made
provisions for this ( numbers 35:9-34;
deuteronomy 19:1-13).
