Should doctors stop using methotrexate in terminations?
yes they should stop
62%
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no they should,nt
37%
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 01-28-05 23:01pm
fishx
wrote:
steen are you not fed up of
being proven wromg yet you are like a
little jack russel constantly yapping but
never getting anywhere of significance.
(i apologize to all jack russels no
offence
intended).
fish--no offense taken....I just adopted
kaitlin an 8 week old jack russell today
and she is quiet mouthy.....Sorry I went
off subject.
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sandyallen
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Thanx Pattyv! Posted: 01-28-05 23:48pm
I totally understand what you are saying!
I feel there is always some hope, even
though it is as small as a mustard seed
and possibly smaller.
If I were on here alot, I would probably
be sick of it but my jobs have been so
busy lately that I don't come here too
much. Our puppy is doin great, getting
so tall & honary, I plan on getting
some pictures done so I can show everyone,
if I get a day off, she is the tallest in
her puppy class but she seems to leave her
puppy education and training at school, as
she is a spoiled brat couch-potato(lol).
Sure hope you and yours are doing well!
Sincerely.
Sandy
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-28-05 23:52pm
Jack russels are great!
Congratulations! Not all are mouthy!
I am just kind of partial w/irish
woolfhounds!
Sincerely,
sandy
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-29-05 11:39am
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
you are so stupid you
continue to call me an illiterate
person
since you always
misrepresent my posts, you are either
lying or illiterate. So you are
saying that you are not illiterate?
Then you must be a habitual liar instead.
Yes, that's actually quite typical for
prolifers, so I am not surprised.
person I dont misrepresent your
posts
yes you did and you
continue to do so. You continue to lie
and not owe up to your lies, which makes
you a lying coward.
Quote:
i just say what
you wrote and I quote your complete post
so what a joke you are turning into it is
so easy to prove your
lies,
by all means then "prove"
it.
Quote:
do you know what
illiterate means slimeball racist pig,i
can read and I can
write,
obviously you can't read
as you can't figure out what I wrote.
If you are literate, then it means that
you deliberately distort and misrepresents
my posts. Oh, yeah. Back to liar
again. So, are you illiterate or are
you a liar?
Quote:
Quote:
i said prochoice
commit violence,you called me a
liar,
no I didn't, so yes you
*are* a liar.
heres the post you person
foreverblue wrote:
now I wonder if this could of been done by
a pro choicer, as been known before,pro
choice fanatics are just has deadly has
pro life fanatics
steen wrote:
really? And you have evidence for that
claim? Lots of prochoicers on death
row, just like all the prolifers on death
row? Prochoicers having their own
"nuremberg site" with a life bounty of
prolifers? And prochoicers having a
"white rose banquet" where those who not a
nice acted prolifers are celebrated as
heroes and martyrs?
Or were you just speaking out your ass?
ah, where did I say that
prochoice never had commited violance?
I challenged your lie that prochoicers
"are just as deadly as prolife fanatics."
because that clearly is a lie, no surprise
there, as you are turning out to be a
firstclass liar and a coward to boot,
never owing up to your lies.
Quote:
now am I lying or
are you I think everyone can see you are
the lying terrorist supporter
steen
nope. You are lying.
I never stated that prochoice is not
violent. I merely challenged your
outright lie that prochoice is as deadly
as prolife fanatics.
Wonder why that upset you so much? To
close for comfort? Are you member of
army of god? Is eric rudolph your
buddy?
steen how do you differentiate between
degrees of deadliness,a pro lifer kills
someone and a pro choicer kills
someone,how can you say that one is not as
deadly as the other,i actually stated that
pro choice fanatics can be as deadly as
pro life fanatics
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steen
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Posted: 01-29-05 14:20pm
jlee77
wrote:
steen
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
"the command not to homicide
applies to human beings, not to killing
animals or plant life for food. God
gave animals to mankind for his use (
genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4). ...."
....This is what lil' blaze point was
twerp.
*and* we also note that
it thus is written in the bible that you
shall not homicide, not that you shall not
kill.
Funny, that is what you denied earlier.
Are you saying that lil'blaze is lying?
Or that you were in error
earlier?
steen....Shutup. Thou
shall not homicide, kill,
whatever.
oh, aren't you testy now,
just because lil'blaze proved your claim
to be outright false. So now you try to
downplay what you so vehemently was
claiming before. How cowardly of you.
And yes, there is a big difference between
killing and homicide. Nice of you to try
to ignore that after you based your whole
argument on that difference. Yes, you
truly are nothing but a dishonest, lying,
and cowardly troll.
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everyone here
knows what we are talking about. This is
about abortion not choice of
words.
certainly. And as
abortion may be killing, but is not
homicide, then this big thing about the
bible speaking against abortion that you
were trying to "prove," well that just
fell flat on its face.
Yes, *that* is what we were talking about.
And now we are talking about how much of
a coward you are that you can't
acknowledge that you made a mistake. So
it leads you to lying instead. *again.*
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steen
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Posted: 01-29-05 14:22pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen how do you
differentiate between degrees of
deadliness,a pro lifer kills someone and a
pro choicer kills someone,how can you say
that one is not as deadly as the other,i
actually stated that pro choice fanatics
can be as deadly as pro life
fanatics
ah, no you stated that
they are as deadly. And that was
a lie.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-30-05 06:02am
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen how do you
differentiate between degrees of
deadliness,a pro lifer kills someone and a
pro choicer kills someone,how can you say
that one is not as deadly as the other,i
actually stated that pro choice fanatics
can be as deadly as pro life
fanatics
ah, no you stated that
they are as deadly. And that
was a lie.
here is what I said
now I wonder if this could of been done by
a pro choicer, as been known before,pro
choice fanatics are just has deadly has
pro life fanatics .
March 1989. Three radical pro-choice
fanatics were arrested after igniting an
incendiary device in a church packed with
pro-life activists
we are all aware of the lunatics who run
around under the name of
pro-life,commiting acts of terrorism,but
do you not agree that the above is just as
deadly as anything pro-life lunatics have
done.
Pro-life fanatics *are* prepared to kill
for the *cause*
pro-choice fanatics *are* prepared to kill
for the *cause*
the main word here is *are* and as both
sides *are* prepared to kill for the
*cause* that makes them both as deadly as
each other.
Since the frank mendiola case doubts have
been cast on a lot of the arson crimes
attributed to pro-life fanatics.
Violence from either side cannot and must
not be condoned or tolerated by any one
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steen
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Posted: 01-30-05 14:31pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen how do you
differentiate between degrees of
deadliness,a pro lifer kills someone and a
pro choicer kills someone,how can you say
that one is not as deadly as the other,i
actually stated that pro choice fanatics
can be as deadly as pro life
fanatics
ah, no you stated that
they are as deadly. And that
was a lie.
here is what I said
now I wonder if this could of been done by
a pro choicer, as been known before,pro
choice fanatics are just has deadly has
pro life fanatics
.
yes, you said that
prochoicesare as deadly as prolife
fanatics. so there are
actually two deceptions. For one, you
compared all prochoicers with just the
prolife fanatics. That's deception
number one. And then you said that they
*are* as deadly, when you now later claim
that you said that they *can* be as deadly
(a clim disproven by your own reposting.
Now, if they *are* as deadly, then they
must have killed as many people as the
prolife fanatics. That would be about 5
physicians, 3-4 clinic staff and a couple
of security guards. Now, the "example"
you provided didn't say *anything* about
anybody dying. So it seems that your
claim is rather overblown and dishonest.
Care to retract?
Quote:
march 1989.
Three radical pro-choice fanatics were
arrested after igniting an incendiary
device in a church packed with pro-life
activists
we are all aware of the lunatics who run
around under the name of
pro-life,commiting acts of terrorism,but
do you not agree that the above is just as
deadly as anything pro-life lunatics have
done.
as you don't report
anybody actually dying, no what you
provided is not any such evidence. Yes,
a few fringers have defended themselves
against the incessant attacks of varions
forms on abortion clinics over time.
They are gravely misguided just as you
will say that the prolife fanatics are.
However, when you talk about killing "the
other side," the blame is all on the
prolife side.
Quote:
pro-life fanatics
*are* prepared to kill for the *cause*
pro-choice fanatics *are* prepared to kill
for the *cause*
the main word here is *are* and as both
sides *are* prepared to kill for the
*cause* that makes them both as deadly as
each other.
you are misrepresenting
reality here. The prolife fanatica not
just are prepared to do so, they actually
are doing so. That's a big difference.
Quote:
since the frank
mendiola case doubts have been cast on a
lot of the arson crimes attributed to
pro-life
fanatics.
and the murders? Paul
hill, eric rudolph, john salvi? Are they
a figment of our imagination
Quote:
violence from
either side cannot and must not be
condoned or tolerated by any
one
absolutely.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-30-05 15:45pm
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen how do you
differentiate between degrees of
deadliness,a pro lifer kills someone and a
pro choicer kills someone,how can you say
that one is not as deadly as the other,i
actually stated that pro choice fanatics
can be as deadly as pro life
fanatics
ah, no you stated that
they are as deadly. And that
was a lie.
here is what I said
now I wonder if this could of been done by
a pro choicer, as been known before,pro
choice fanatics are just has deadly has
pro life fanatics
.
yes, you said that
prochoicesare as deadly as prolife
fanatics.
.
sorry steen that is a lie if you care to
read my post properly you will see that I
actually said pro choice fanatics are just
has deadly has pro life fanatics.Please
note the words pro life fanatics and pro
choice fanatics.
Quote:
march 1989. Three radical pro-choice
fanatics were arrested after igniting an
incendiary device in a church packed with
pro-life activists
we are all aware of the lunatics who run
around under the name of
pro-life,commiting acts of terrorism,but
do you not agree that the above is just as
deadly as anything pro-life lunatics have
done.
As you don't report anybody actually
dying, no what you provided is not any
such evidence. Yes, a few fringers have
defended themselves against the incessant
attacks of varions forms on abortion
clinics over time. They are gravely
misguided just as you will say that the
prolife fanatics are. However, when you
talk about killing "the other side," the
blame is all on the prolife side.
I thought you did not believe in an eye
for an eye,defending themselves in a
church,sorry that is attacking,the intent
was there so why defend them.Ok if that is
what you want has proof heres a few more
newhall, california
•abortionist milos klvana was sentenced to
53 years in prison after being found
guilty of the mass not a nice act of eight
newborn babies.
So steen thats eight in one go,you claim
about eleven from pro life.
El paso, texas
•june 1983. Abortionist raymond showery
was convicted of not a nice act for
drowning a five-pound viable baby who
survived one of his third-trimester
abortions.
•he also killed mickey apodaca during an
abortion and was indicted for
manslaughter.
Thats another two,should I continue,ok
knoxville
•april 1990. Five pro-lifers found pipe
bombs in their driveways. Police stated
that this was retaliation for recent
pro-life activities.
•january 1987. Abortionist steven pine
punctured belinda byrd's uterus during a
second-trimester abortion and then
abandoned her to die of complications.
Long beach
•august 1983. Abortionist strangled a
2-1/2 pound, 7-1/2 month baby who survived
an abortion because he knew the 'mother'
didn't want the baby and he feared a
lawsuit. He was indicted for not a nice
act
new york city
•abortionist ronald tauber raped a
six-year old girl and spent seven years in
prison.
•he had previously killed a woman in a
botched abortion in florida. Now he is
licensed to commit abortions in new york
state.
Oakland
•march 1989. Pro-abortionists attempted
to kill a disabled pro-lifer by kicking
him repeatedly in the head with heavy
boots, even after they had knocked him
unconscious.
There is so much more,but in reallity both
sides have fanatics who have killed other
people,so you see steen my claim was
neither overblown nor a lie.
Quote:
pro-life fanatics *are* prepared to kill
for the *cause*
pro-choice fanatics *are* prepared to kill
for the *cause*
the main word here is *are* and as both
sides *are* prepared to kill for the
*cause* that makes them both as deadly as
each other.
You are misrepresenting reality here.
The prolife fanatica not just are prepared
to do so, they actually are doing so.
That's a big difference.
Quote:
since the frank mendiola case doubts have
been cast on a lot of the arson crimes
attributed to pro-life fanatics.
And the not a nice acts? Paul hill, eric
rudolph, john salvi? Are they a figment
of our imagination
quote:
violence from either side cannot and must
not be condoned or tolerated by any one
absolutely.
So am I misrepresenting reality steen or
are you just misinformed,because pro
choice fanatics are killing people,and at
no time have I denied that prolife
fanatics have killed they should be locked
up for ever,somewhere they cannot do any
harm to anyone but themselves.
And no steen the blame is not all on pro
lifes side,will you retract
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steen
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Posted: 01-30-05 20:58pm
[quote="foreverblueso am I misrepresenting
reality steen or are you just
misinformed,because pro choice fanatics
are killing people,and at no time have I
denied that prolife fanatics have killed
they should be locked up for
ever,somewhere they cannot do any harm to
anyone but themselves.[/quote]yes, you are
right. I had not heard of many of the
examples. I will, of course, have to
independently verify these examples, as
prolife sites have the propensity to label
anybody who commit crimes and are not
prolife as "prochoice murderers." so I
will double-check first, do a little bit
of looking at appeals and similar before
passing final judgment on this. But for
now, I will admit that you may be right if
these examples turn out valid. I did
notice, though, that some of the examples
were alleged medical negligence rather
than homicide, and that one of the
examples talked about the person being
indicted, not convicted. So that could
be some prolife prosecutor trumping up
charges. But i'll take a look.
And you were also right about the
"fanatics" part.
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and no steen the
blame is not all on pro lifes side,will
you retract
i never stated this, nor
implied this. As such, there is nothing
to actually retract, but I will gladly
tell you that all the blame is not solely
on the prolife side.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-30-05 21:06pm
People who have abortions should be locked
up?
How ridiculous. Please.
Sorry, but as a tax payer, i'd rather not
have to pay for someone to sit in jail
because they had an abortion. An abortion
is something a woman has when shes not
ready to have a child. I'd much rather
her abort the child then keep it, and
abuse and neglect it. But thats just me..
I guess im "heartless" that way. The
fetus doesn't even understand, or realize
whats going on, a child born into a family
who didn't want it, knows and feels what
abuse is.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-31-05 03:05am
Here is your post steen,
[quote=steen] however, when you talk about
killing "the other side," the blame is all
on the prolife side.[quote]
you clearly state that the blame is all on
pro life
quote:
and no steen the blame is not all on pro
lifes side,will you retract
i never stated this, nor implied this. As
such, there is nothing to actually
retract, but I will gladly tell you that
all the blame is not solely on the prolife
side. [quote]
will you now retract thank you
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-31-05 03:20am
kourtney08
wrote:
people who have abortions
should be locked up?
How ridiculous. Please.
Sorry, but as a tax payer, i'd rather not
have to pay for someone to sit in jail
because they had an abortion. An
abortion is something a woman has when
shes not ready to have a child. I'd much
rather her abort the child then keep it,
and abuse and neglect it. But thats just
me.. I guess im "heartless" that way.
The fetus doesn't even understand, or
realize whats going on, a child born into
a family who didn't want it, knows and
feels what abuse
is.
who said that people that had terminations
should be locked up?
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 01-31-05 03:40am
Steen I will not post evidence from a pro
life site if I can help it,and then only
if I have independently checked the
evidence elseware,they were posted on this
forum in an earlier thread and I went to
the relevant newspaper archives to
check,as I know 90% sites about abortion
are biased one way or another and if it is
facts and figures I treat them with
sceptesim
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-31-05 23:16pm
[quote="foreverblue"]here is your post
steen,
[quote=steen] however, when you talk about
killing "the other side," the blame is all
on the prolife side.[quote]
you clearly state that the blame is all on
pro life
quote:
and no steen the blame is not all on pro
lifes side,will you retract
i never stated this, nor implied this.
As such, there is nothing to actually
retract, but I will gladly tell you that
all the blame is not solely on the prolife
side.
Quote:
will you now retract thank
you
yes, you are right
there as well. I retract my statement.
Sorry. My major mistake.
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steen
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Posted: 01-31-05 23:17pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen I will not post
evidence from a pro life site if I can
help it,and then only if I have
independently checked the evidence
elseware,they were posted on this forum in
an earlier thread and I went to the
relevant newspaper archives to check,as I
know 90% sites about abortion are biased
one way or another and if it is facts and
figures I treat them with
sceptesim
which is why I tend to
believe you, pending of course independent
verification.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-01-05 02:38am
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen I will not post
evidence from a pro life site if I can
help it,and then only if I have
independently checked the evidence
elseware,they were posted on this forum in
an earlier thread and I went to the
relevant newspaper archives to check,as I
know 90% sites about abortion are biased
one way or another and if it is facts and
figures I treat them with
sceptesim
which is why I tend to
believe you, pending of course independent
verification.
thank you I wouldnt expect anyone to just
accept what I say without checking up the
evidence themselves.
