Are Women Dying to Terminate?

Times up steen come give me proof that the said pro life sites are lies.

Oh and was,nt there something about methotrexate only being used for ectopic pregnancy not first trimester terminations?

Still waiting liar.



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This is one hell of a long week troll you ever gonna answer?



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Calling doctor lying troll have you got any evidence to say that methotrexate is,nt used in first trimester terminations yet? No thought not why not be a man about it troll and admit you were wrong it is,nt that hard .Come on surprise us and try a bit of honesty for once.Ooops sorry to hard for trolls I keep forgeting you aint no man.

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Ug.. I don't want to answer for steen but this is getting annoying. People. He has a life outside of the internet! He is a freakin doctor supposedly.. He isn't going to be able to spend every waking moment on here nor should he feel obligated to. He can come and go as he pleases. He also hasn't posted on another site that we go to so it's not like he's ignoring you guys. He's probably pulling some overtime at work.. Anyway it doesn't matter.

Sorry to answer for him again but this is just getting ridiculous and no he is not paying me or telling me to write this before you start on me jlee with the sheep caca.

Is,nt it funny the links work for others you did decapitalise did,nt you doctor all the evidence is there wheres yours ? The burden of proof is now on you methotrexate is used in first trimester terminations and it is killing people dont any one take my word for it just type in chemical abortion into google if you ca,nt get the links to work but I know others have visited via the link no problem once they decapitalise . So go find your proof once again doctor.


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i did, and still didn't connect. And no, nrlc does not have a search option on their site. If you would care to show me how to link through the branches on their site, then i'll take a look. Not that I have high hopes, as nrlc lie a lot.


so you claim.

As for evidence of maternal mortality from mtx abortions, in all of medline (more than 15 mill articles from nearly all medical journals), there was one article dealing with mtx and the woman's health:

< span class="postbody">nope, no word of the women dying in that article, an article showing the attempted home abortion through use of mtx, but not a medically performed tactic.


So again, the scientific medical literature does not show even ***one*** case of the woemn dying from using mtx for abortions.


So pardon me for insisting that you actually provide evidence for these women dying from mtx abortions.


No? You can't?


no recorded death from mtx for abortion has ever been shown in the medical literature, as I showed. So I say that your claim is an outright falsehood, a prolife lie that you happily repeat. I can only guess to your motive for repeating lies, but to each their own, I guess.

well, I tried:
"chemical abortion " methotrexate death
"chemical abortion " methotrexate mortality

and I ended up with a bunch of prolife sites, but not one medical site showing any women having died from mtx. So I have looked in the medical journals, and I searched on google for your claim and nowhere was it substantiated.


So now the burden is on you. Show the specific page where the death of a woman from an mtx abortion is documented. Your claim, you provide the evidence. That, or retract your silly claim. Because by now, the evidence is getting to be very clear that no such death has occured, and for you to continue to make it would be evidence of you deliberately lying.

i did. No deaths are documented from a woman with an mtx abortion. That's now documented.

it is a fact that no mtx abortion death is documented in the medical literature, yes.

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posted on tue, nov. 16, 2004





3rd fatality impels new warnings on methotrexate


new york times


washington - the death of a second california woman after taking an abortion pill prompted federal drug regulators monday to strengthen the warning label on methotrexate
the woman died in january, according to the food and drug administration. It was the third u.S. Death since the drug's approval in 2000.


The other californian, 18-year-old holly patterson of livermore, died of a massive infection following use of ru-486 in september 2003.


The new warnings remind doctors to watch patients for signs of systemic bacterial infection, excessive vaginal bleeding and ectopic, or tubal, pregnancies. They also provide warnings to consumers.


Drug label changes say that, while no causal relationship between ru-486, also known as mifepristone, and bacterial infections or ectopic pregnancies has been established, doctors should be aware of risks.


Anti-abortion advocates say the deaths show that mifepristone is unsafe and should be taken from the market. Abortion rights advocates say that it has been used by nearly 360,000 u.S. Women and that bad outcomes are exceptionally rare.


The argument does not end there. Dr. Cynthia summers, spokeswoman for danco laboratories, mifepristone's maker, said she does not believe the january death should be attributed to mifepristone. She said the coroner's report said the woman had taken methotrexate, a cancer drug also used to induce abortions.


"we believe our drug is not to blame," summers said.








Or pregnancy termination† prior to the 63rd day of pregnancy in combination with intravaginal misoprostol:
intramuscular dosage:
pregnant females: one hundred seventy eight women received intramuscular methotrexate 50 mg/m2 followed by intravaginal misoprostol 5—7 days later. Seven days after the misoprostol dose, patients were offered a second dose if there was evidence of a persistant gestational sac. Ninety-six percent of women had a successful medical abortion after the first or second dose of misoprostol. Seventy-six percent of women successfully aborted within 12 hours after insertion of misoprostol.







Methotrexate: though not fda-approved for abortions, this chemical is also used as a treatment for arthritis and psoriasis—as well as a cancer treatment, when administered in higher doses. Injected five to nine weeks into the pregnancy, methotrexate creates a folic acid deficiency that stops cell division (the growth process), resulting in termination of the fetus. Suppositories are then administered to expel the unborn child. Possible side effects include severe bleeding, nausea, pain, diarrhea, bone marrow depression, severe anemia, liver damage and methotrexate-induced lung disease and death


there you go d.I.C.K head now if I remember rightly you had the gall to say that methotrexate was only used in ectopic pregnancy not in first trimester terminations care to retract your lie troll?



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Are we gonna copy and paste now?

Yay!!

My point is, I can go to abortion sites, and copy and paste stuff from that and post it over here. Those kinds of sites are biased. Pro-life sites are biased for pro-life peopole, and vise versa. You don't see me copying and pasting the things my sites say. ;)

Ohh okay. I apologize then. I thought you were just posting them to try and further prove your point, but those pro-life sites are biased, as well as pro-choice so I don't usually go to them.