Prolife Arson Business As Usual

I also would like to know why noone cares about the family? Abortion doesn't only affect the woman and baby it affects grandparents, fathers, aunts, uncles, sibling.....

And i've heard pro-choice continually say "well they can have a baby of their own...Blah blah blah"

how do you tell a 5 year old that they won't have their brother or sister cause mommy decided to abort it?

What about the grieving fathers? It happend to someone very close to me and his life is upside down because of a selfish *little girl* that thought she would just abort without telling him....Now he has nightmares and is grieving for his lost child!! Should his feeling not count?

I can understand what you are saying bd but people don't realize that it really does affect other people and that effect can be very negative to abort without consideration for the father or other members of the family. I am living with someone who is torn apart by his ex's abortion....I see his hurt and it hurts me for him....That does not make me a woman hater or whatever other insults steen wants to throw.

Truthfully, it all really depends on the situation. It's all circumstantial.. Either way... Someone has got to be selfish but who will that person be? If the pregnancy will kill the women then of course.. The husband and/or father or sperm donor.. Whatever should let her have the abortion.. No question.. But I think if the abortion will really hurt the guys feelings and they are in a serious relationship and an abortion can be avoided easily then it would be really nice to carry it for the guy but then who will raise the kid? I said it would be nice of her to do so but I am prochoice so I believe it is primarily her choice of course. Like I said.. It's all circumstantial and every circumstance is diffrent.

You know, it may affect the family, but its not going to affect anyone like it will the woman. And if I got pregnant, and already had my daughter, a 3 month old, I know my body couldn't handle going through a pregnancy, and honestly what my family thought wouldn't change my mind. Although my family is very supportive in anything I do, and I know would support me if I were to get an abortion because their accepting no matter what.

Men aren't all horrible dogs who run from responsibility...They should get a little more credit...Why is it that when the child is given up for adoption they have a say...And when the child is born they are to provide care but when it comes to abortion it's only the *womans* choice? That hardly seems logical...

I agree bd--it really can depend on the situation. If there are life threatening complications the woman should do what she feels is necessary without any outside intervention. But when it's a normal pregnancy and she doesn't want it..Why not take into consideration the feelings of the father? Instead of screaming *mine mine mine* all the time?

I hate when people use that argument. I know plenty of woman who told their boyfriends they were pregnant, and their boyfriends said they weren't ready for a child, they wanted the woman to have an abortion, but she didn't want to. So its okay for her to choose then right? Because she chose the path you would? Riiight. I get it.

A woman should always tell the man shes pregnant, but in the end its her, and her body that will go through everything. Therefor it is, and (caps) always will be her choice.

Kourtney--the argument is logical and that's why you don't like it.

*mine mine mine* is the only argument that pro-choice can come up with but in all reality...It's not *your* fetus....It's a being all it's own with it's own genetic code.....So it is seperate in that fact.....And should it die because it's *her* choice...No it shouldn't.

Actually, that fetus is mine. When that baby comes out whose going to raisie it? Itself.. Since its "its own person," is it going to buy its own clothes, is it going to go through the pain of the pregnancy? It is my body, and if there is something in it, that I dont want in there, it (caps) will be removed. Isn't that to bad? I don't understand why pro-lifers are so set on changing everyones minds, getting them to do the "right" thing. If you're not getting abortions then thats all that matters, you don't need to try and convince people to bring a child into this world that they arn't ready for. What so it can be abused, neglected and maybe killed (when it actually knows its being killed) oh, but thats okay? Its okay to bring a baby into this world knowing its going to be abused? (all caps) "well as long as the woman doesn't abort." sorry, but i'd much rather someone get an abortion, then have their child and treat it like davie pelzer mom did. But I guess thats me.

Mine, mine, mine isn't my only argument. Its a fact, my body is mine, who elses would it be? Its my choice to decide what happens to it, and its every other womans choice to decide and nothing you to or say is going to change abortion, or the fact that people get one, so I don't know why you sit on a computer all day trying to convince people you don't know, who you'll never know.


Ps. No, the argument isn't logical in the slightest. But nice try, really.

Davie pelzer one out of billions of parents,that the best you can do

Hah, you think david pelzers the only one whose ever been beaten? Do I really have to name more people for you to believe that other children get beat everyday?

Ah, ignorance.

So I guess there shouldn't be a debate forum because kourtney just can't undestand why anyone would be on a computer debating? Or where you just refering to me...Are you a hypocrit for stating that...Why, yes you are...There you are questioning my opinions yet you say that you don't....*oh look someone is a hyprocrit* surprise surprise!

And the argument is logical it's just that you can't understand it. No reason to be mad though kourtney one day you will understand.

I understand, the very petty, and childish attempt at a debate, with the whole "call it a baby not a fetus waaaaaaa waaaaaa!!!!!" but like I said, its a petty, and beyond pointless debate. Believe me honey, I get it, im just not petty enough to understand why someone would pull this out of there ass and turn it into a debate. Who the medical question cares what words are used for different things?

How many times in your post will you say im a hypocrite? I think you just like the word a little to much, and should look it up in the dictionary instead of throw it about the board.

You go ahead and have your opinions, but why stress, and obsess over another womans body and what she does with it? Why do you care? Does it honestly affect you? No, not in the least. So why do you sit on the computer all day worrying about other people. Don't you have a son to be caring for? Why don't you go worry about him, and what hes doing, he is your responsability, no one else.