Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-14-05 12:25pm
Amazing how much you wiggle to avoid
admitting the troll hatemongering that
prolife has spewed, while complaining only
when you perceive it happening to
prolife.
Hypocrite.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-14-05 12:48pm
steen
wrote:
amazing how much you wiggle
to avoid admitting the troll hatemongering
that prolife has spewed, while complaining
only when you perceive it happening to
prolife.
Hypocrite.
you really are stupid or just trying to be
devious,listen fool I do not care what
people call me I will call them just as
much,you are wriggling person,not me.It is
plain to everyone that I am only
complaining about you,you fool,you pulled
me,what right have you got,none you are
just a jumped up social worker when it
comes down to it.
* my complaint is not what I was called
but the fact that you,mr high and
mighty,had the hypocritical view to pull
me and no one else,guess what person,that
makes you the hypocrite.Are you being
delibratly stupid or is it natural.*
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steen
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Posted: 02-14-05 13:19pm
Yadda, yadda yadda. Do you admit the
prolife hypocricy and we debate, or do we
fight? That is all there is to it right
now.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-14-05 13:24pm
steen
wrote:
yadda, yadda yadda. Do
you admit the prolife hypocricy and we
debate, or do we fight? That is all
there is to it right
now.
very grown up steen,threats are not
allowed steen you know that,do you admit
prochoice hypocrisy?From now on I think I
will call you franken,
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-14-05 13:58pm
Yeah..It's also very grown up and mature
to have 3 seperate usernames so you can
agree with yourself and validate your pov
:roll:
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-14-05 14:09pm
bd1012
wrote:
yeah..It's also very grown
up and mature to have 3 seperate usernames
so you can agree with yourself and
validate your pov
:roll:
what are you on about,who has agreed with
my point of view,i have one username,i am
not childish enough to have more than
one.If you cared to check you would find
that anything I have posted I have either
proved beyond doubt or if proved wrong I
have retracted,so I have no idea what you
are going on about.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 10:27am
Steen wrote,
"prolife arson business as usual"
126,000 babies killed everyday - pro
choice murd business as usual
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Gero
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:55am
sandyallen
wrote:
gero, you just are unable to
handle steen being correct about women
being enslaved, carrying an unwanted
pregnancy, I have seen this several times
and I am sure that you have too, unless
you do not see much of lifes experiences.
You talk about being against abortion
and then say that steen's mother should
have possibly aborted steen, I would think
that you would not even have these
thoughts if you were so anti-abortion.
Don't get me wrong, I am not slamming you,
it just seems hypocritical.
Sincerely,
sandy
i am against abortion,
but the point I was trying to make about
abortion when I said his mother should've
aborted him was for him to experience
first-hand what it was like to be a
helpless human left at the mercy of what
adults do to him. You all are so for
abortion, but you have no idea what that
"thing" , "fetus" or whatever you call it
feels or goes through while it is being
aborted. And I happen to think that
"enslaved" is too harsh of a term for
women carrying an unwanted pregnancy.
Afterall, it is a living being inside of
the woman and saying that it is
"enslaving" her is a bit too harsh. You
all act like the fetus is a monster inside
of you and it just isn't. Your parents
allowed you to fully develop and be born,
didn't they? I feel as though if you or
any other woman gets pregnant by mistake
that her baby should have the same right
because it isn't the baby's fault that it
was a "mistake". It isn't about me
telling women what to do with their
bodies. It is about me thinking that the
baby should still have the right to live
even if the pregnancy was unintended. And
adoption is always a viable option to
abortion if the woman is not able to raise
the child. Unlike people who are for
abortion, I believe the unborn child
should have its rights too.
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steen
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Posted: 02-15-05 13:03pm
gero
wrote:
i am against abortion, but
the point I was trying to make about
abortion when I said his mother should've
aborted him was for him to experience
first-hand what it was like to be a
helpless human left at the mercy of what
adults do to
him.
ah, but as the fetus is
non-sentient, it wouldn't have an
experience at all. It is no more aware
than a kidney or a tumor. So your idea
was rather silly.
Quote:
you all are so
for abortion, but you have no idea what
that "thing" , "fetus" or whatever you
call it feels or goes through while it is
being
aborted.
yes, we do. It feels
and experiences absolutely nothing. So
yes, your point is inanely silly.
Quote:
and I happen to
think that "enslaved" is too harsh of a
term for women carrying an unwanted
pregnancy. Afterall, it is a living
being inside of the woman and saying that
it is "enslaving" her is a bit too
harsh.
well, the slaver is a
living human being (which, by the way, the
embryo or fetus are not), so to say that
he "enslaves" his slaves must be a bit to
harsh also, right? <snort>
Quote:
you all act like
the fetus is a monster inside of you and
it just
isn't.
to the woman facing an
unwanted pregnancy, it most assuredly is.
To her, it is no different than a
parasite, a monster.
Quote:
your parents
allowed you to fully develop and be born,
didn't they?
because they chose to do
so. If they had chosen to not go through
with the pregnancy, they could have
aborted, and we wouldn't know the
difference because we never existed as a
sentient, aware entity.
Quote:
I feel as though
if you or any other woman gets pregnant by
mistake that her baby should have the same
right because it isn't the baby's fault
that it was a
"mistake".
there is no baby until
after birth. And no, the embryo is not
innocent, as it is using the woman's body
against her wishes, despite her refusal of
wanting it to do so. (in other words,
she is enslaved with out the right to
control her own body).
Quote:
it isn't about me
telling women what to do with their
bodies.
ah, but you are. You
are telling them that they can't abort.
You are telling them that they *have to*
give of their bodily resources to an
embryo even against their will. You are
*very much* telling them what to do with
their bodies. Please don't make false
claims such as that you are not. If you
tell her that she can't abort, you are
telling her that you get to impose on her
what to do with her own body. Your
protestations are merely a sign of your
dishonesty in this matter.
Quote:
it is about me
thinking that the
baby
there is no baby
Quote:
should still have
the right to live even if the pregnancy
was
unintended.
why? Is there a right
to life? Should persons have the same
right to life, then, such as when the
kidney patient insists on using your
bodily resources to stay alive? Or is
such a duty only on pregnant women and not
on you? Nah, because that would be
hypocritical, right? The insisting that
others do what you don't have to, you
would never do that, would you?
Quote:
and adoption is
always a viable option to abortion if the
woman is not able to raise the
child.
no, it is a viable option
to raise your own child. Adoption is
immaterial to the decision to abort. If
the woman does not want to be pregnant,
then it doesn't matter what she can do
after being forced to go through the
pregnancy against her will.
Quote:
unlike people who
are for
abortion,
and who are "for
abortions"?
Quote:
i believe the
unborn child should have its rights
too.
at the expense of the
woman's rights, enslaving her into letting
you force her to use her body against her
will. Yes, that is all to clear.
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-15-05 13:12pm
[quote="steen"][quote="gero"][
Quote:
it is about me
thinking that the
baby
there is no baby
Quote:
should still have
the right to live even if the pregnancy
was
unintended.
why? Is there a right
to life? Should persons have the same
right to life, then, such as when the
kidney patient insists on using your
bodily resources to stay alive? Or is
such a duty only on pregnant women and not
on you? Nah, because that would be
hypocritical, right? The insisting that
others do what you don't have to, you
would never do that, would you?[quote]
does a kidney have it's own unique dna?
A fetus is a baby it is just at a
different stage of development ie:
newborn, toddler, infant ,teenager; senior
citizen see were all human just at
different developmental stages
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steen
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Posted: 02-15-05 13:16pm
fishx
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
it is about me thinking that
the baby
there is no baby
Quote:
should still have
the right to live even if the pregnancy
was
unintended.
why? Is there a right
to life? Should persons have the same
right to life, then, such as when the
kidney patient insists on using your
bodily resources to stay alive? Or is
such a duty only on pregnant women and not
on you? Nah, because that would be
hypocritical, right? The insisting
that others do what you don't have to, you
would never do that, would
you?
does a kidney have it's
own unique
dna?
nope, and so? A
hydatidiform mole, f.Ex., has its own
unique dna. Does that make it a
person?
Quote:
a fetus is a
baby
nope, they are different
developmental stages. A toddler is not a
senior either
Quote:
it is just at a
different stage of development ie:
newborn, toddler, infant ,teenager; senior
citizen see were all human just at
different developmental
stages
like a baby is. But
each of the stages are separate from the
other stages. Thus using the stage
"baby" or the stage "child" to describe a
zygote, f.Ex. Is outright dishonest.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 13:22pm
Quote:
does a kidney
have it's own unique
dna?
nope, and so? A
hydatidiform mole, f.Ex., has its own
unique dna. Does that make it a
person?
Ok yes I admit reading it now it does
sound stupid but if I was to make the said
kidney patients kidney fail then yes he
has the right to demand my kidney.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-15-05 13:33pm
[quote=steen]there is no baby until after
birth. And no, the embryo is not
innocent, as it is using the woman's body
against her wishes, despite her refusal of
wanting it to do so. (in other words, she
is enslaved with out the right to control
her own body).[quote]
steen can you control cancer,no so there
are certain situations where we do not
have control over our bodies,can you stop
yourself sweating or breathing are you
enslaved steen because you need air to
live
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 13:42pm
[quote="fishx"]
Quote:
does a kidney
have it's own unique
dna?
nope, and so? A
hydatidiform mole, f.Ex., has its own
unique dna. Does that make it a
person?Quote]
is a fetus a potential person?
A hydatidiform mole may not be a person
but it is part of what was a potential
person.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:22pm
steen
wrote:
fishx
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
it is about me thinking that
the baby
there is no baby
Quote:
should still have
the right to live even if the pregnancy
was
unintended.
why? Is there a
right to life? Should persons have
the same right to life, then, such as when
the kidney patient insists on using your
bodily resources to stay alive? Or is
such a duty only on pregnant women and not
on you? Nah, because that would be
hypocritical, right? The insisting
that others do what you don't have to, you
would never do that, would
you?
does a kidney have it's
own unique
dna?
nope, and so? A
hydatidiform mole, f.Ex., has its own
unique dna. Does that make it a
person?
Quote:
a fetus is a
baby
nope, they are different
developmental stages. A toddler is not
a senior either
Quote:
it is just at a
different stage of development ie:
newborn, toddler, infant ,teenager; senior
citizen see were all human just at
different developmental
stages
like a baby is. But
each of the stages are separate from the
other stages. Thus using the stage
"baby" or the stage "child" to describe a
zygote, f.Ex. Is outright
dishonest.
so even though my "fetus" has a penis and
I know he's a he, I still am in my 2nd tri
and have the right to abort if I want to
(which I would never do). I don't call
him my fetus or zef or... I say my baby
or son even now. He is my son, there's
no denying that.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:29pm
Hey lil how are you both?
Not seen you on for a couple of days.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:33pm
fishx
wrote:
hey lil how are you both?
Not seen you on for a couple of
days.
i'm fine. I don't come on on weekends
and I had a migraine yesterday so took the
day off. Ahhhhhh I got to catch up on my
soaps..Lol
trey is one boogying lil dude. Man he
likes to move!! Lol
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:40pm
One of the best feelings in the world is a
baby moving.
I forgot that you don't come on at
weekends glad you are both ok though.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:44pm
fishx
wrote:
one of the best feelings in
the world is a baby moving.
I forgot that you don't come on at
weekends glad you are both ok
though.
thanks!
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steen
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:45pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen can you control
cancer,
surgically, you can.
There is a treatment for cancer. Justr
like there is a treatment for unwanted
pregnancies, anmely an abortion. It is
just another medical procedure to rectify
an unwanted bodily condition, nothing
else.
And when such treatment exists, then being
denied access to it is indeed enslavement.
