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steen

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Posted: 01-20-05 00:22am

fishx wrote:
please a seriouse question what makes your oppinions right and everyone elses wrong?
well, the topic was arsons of abortion clinics. My position is that they are wrong, and the prolifers here are disputing all sorts of stuff. So the serious question is why you are not outraged about the arson of an abortion clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find such arson to be "right" (now that we talk right and wrong)?

There, that was your question. Can you answer that, or are you back to your usual troll lies?
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-20-05 08:09am

steen wrote:
fishx wrote:
please a seriouse question what makes your oppinions right and everyone elses wrong?
well, the topic was arsons of abortion clinics. My position is that they are wrong, and the prolifers here are disputing all sorts of stuff. So the serious question is why you are not outraged about the arson of an abortion clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find such arson to be "right" (now that we talk right and wrong)?


There, that was your question. Can you answer that, or are you back to your usual troll lies?


if you would like to go back to page one of this thread tenth post down you will see that I do think that the arson attack on a health (termination) clinic is disgusting I in no way condone this action or any other act of terrorism plaese show where I said I do.

But i,m not the one blindly accusing one side or the other now am i?
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-21-05 10:59am

steen wrote:
fishx wrote:
please a seriouse question what makes your oppinions right and everyone elses wrong?
well, the topic was arsons of abortion clinics. My position is that they are wrong, and the prolifers here are disputing all sorts of stuff. So the serious question is why you are not outraged about the arson of an abortion clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find such arson to be "right" (now that we talk right and wrong)?


There, that was your question. Can you answer that, or are you back to your usual troll lies?


now I wonder if this could of been done by a pro choicer, as been known before,pro choice fanatics are just has deadly has pro life fanatics
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Posted: 01-21-05 23:25pm

foreverblue wrote:
now I wonder if this could of been done by a pro choicer, as been known before,pro choice fanatics are just has deadly has pro life fanatics
really? And you have evidence for that claim? Lots of prochoicers on death row, just like all the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg site" with a life bounty of prolifers? And prochoicers having a "white rose banquet" where those who murdered prolifers are celebrated as heroes and martyrs?

Or were you just speaking out your ass?
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-22-05 03:30am

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
now I wonder if this could of been done by a pro choicer, as been known before,pro choice fanatics are just has deadly has pro life fanatics
really? And you have evidence for that claim? Lots of prochoicers on death row, just like all the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg site" with a life bounty of prolifers? And prochoicers having a "white rose banquet" where those who not a nice acted prolifers are celebrated as heroes and martyrs?


Or were you just speaking out your ass?



and here I was thinking you were here for serious and rational debate,my mistake
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Posted: 01-22-05 09:58am

foreverblue wrote:
steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
now I wonder if this could of been done by a pro choicer, as been known before,pro choice fanatics are just has deadly has pro life fanatics
really? And you have evidence for that claim? Lots of prochoicers on death row, just like all the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg site" with a life bounty of prolifers? And prochoicers having a "white rose banquet" where those who not a nice acted prolifers are celebrated as heroes and martyrs?

Or were you just speaking out your ass?
and here I was thinking you were here for serious and rational debate,my mistake
well, I just figured out that you obviously weren't, with your claim of how prochoice fanatics are as "deadly" as the prolife fanatics. Yes, that is a lie, and I don't tolerate lies. So don't give me that lame excuse. You made a blatantly false claim (which I noted that you didn't retract), and now come up with a lame accusation when you are called on that lie.

I gave you examples of the prolifers, and you just claim that I am not serious. Yes, it does indeed seem that you are speaking out your ass.

Or would you care to retract the blatantly false accusation you made?

I am waiting.
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-22-05 10:43am

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
now I wonder if this could of been done by a pro choicer, as been known before,pro choice fanatics are just has deadly has pro life fanatics
really? And you have evidence for that claim? Lots of prochoicers on death row, just like all the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg site" with a life bounty of prolifers? And prochoicers having a "white rose banquet" where those who not a nice acted prolifers are celebrated as heroes and martyrs?


Or were you just speaking out your ass?
and here I was thinking you were here for serious and rational debate,my mistake
well, I just figured out that you obviously weren't, with your claim of how prochoice fanatics are as "deadly" as the prolife fanatics. Yes, that is a lie, and I don't tolerate lies. So don't give me that lame excuse. You made a blatantly false claim (which I noted that you didn't retract), and now come up with a lame accusation when you are called on that lie.


I gave you examples of the prolifers, and you just claim that I am not serious. Yes, it does indeed seem that you are speaking out your ass.


Or would you care to retract the blatantly false accusation you made?


I am waiting.





well ok mr insulting I will provide you with proof,again something you do not provide period.


Http://www.Abortionv iolence.Com/viol-01.Htm
http:// www.Abortiontv.Com/glitch/proabortionviole nce.Htm
http://www.Fnsa.Org/apaw/ch14 .Html

but of course you being prochoice you will deny this now stop trying to insult me and be serious,you gave me examples no proof nothing unusual there tho
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:48am

Again.. Those are biased sites. I take them with a grain of salt.. You want us to believe you? Post something from an unbiased site..
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:49am

How about cherry hill clinic where an abortionist{dr} ran over pro lifer george krail twice heres a list.



Aberdeen, south dakota
•1977. Abortionist benjamin munson was tried for manslaughter after killing linda padfield.

Boston
•january 1975. Abortionist kenneth edelin aborted a live 22-week baby boy and then left him to die. He was subsequently convicted of manslaughter.
August 1976. A 20-year old pro-abortionist beat 85-year old ignatius o'connor so badly that he was hospitalized for three months.

Buffalo
•abortionist jesse ketchum was convicted of criminally negligent homicide after killing 25-year old margaret louise smith.

Cherry hill, new jersey
•april 1988. An abortionist from cherry hill women's center ran over pro-lifer george krail twice with his car.

El paso, texas
•june 1983. Abortionist raymond showery was convicted of not a nice act for drowning a five-pound viable baby who survived one of his third-trimester abortions.
•he also killed mickey apodaca during an abortion and was indicted for manslaughter.

Fort lauderdale
•april 1988. Abortionist theodore lehrer was charged with forcibly aborting his wife against her will after raping her, handcuffing her and tying her to a table.

Knoxville
•april 1990. Five pro-lifers found pipe bombs in their driveways. Police stated that this was retaliation for recent pro-life activities.

Las vegas
•november 1989. Pro-abortion arsonists burned pro-life andy anderson's car, which had been covered with pro-life bumperstickers.

Los angeles
•july 1991.Abortionist mahlon cannon lost his medical license july 1991 for gross negligence in numerous incidents, including the death of donna heim.
•march 1989. Three radical pro-abortionists were arrested after igniting an incendiary device in a church packed with pro-life activists.



•n.O.V.E.M.B.E.R. 1987. Pro-abortion activist frank mendiola was found .G.U.I.L.T.Y .O.F. Phoning .B.O.M.B. T.H.R.E.A.T.S. To .C.L.I.N.I.C.S..


•mendiola had also gained sympathy for the pro-abortion side with his heartrending stories about how his twin sister died on a kitchen table of a botched illegal abortion. It was later discovered that mendiola had lied; he has no sisters at all.


•january 1987. Abortionist steven pine punctured belinda byrd's uterus during a second-trimester abortion and then abandoned her to die of complications.
•october 1986. Abortionist edward allred was charged with providing substandard care, safety and health violations, and causing the death of mary pena at one of his 'assembly line' clinics.
•september 1971. Abortionist richard m. Neal was tried for manslaughter after killing janet foster.

Long beach
•august 1983. Abortionist strangled a 2-1/2 pound, 7-1/2 month baby who survived an abortion because he knew the 'mother' didn't want the baby and he feared a lawsuit. He was indicted for not a nice act.

Miami
•1980-1983. Abortionist hipolito barreiro was charged with manslaughter after four women died at his clinic.

Midland, florida
•october 1992. Pro-abortion democrat eric capun fired five shots through the window of the home of his political opponent, pro-life republican robert stark, wounding stark's wife judith.

Newhall, california
•abortionist milos klvana was sentenced to 53 years in prison after being found guilty of the mass not a nice act of eight newborn babies.

New york city
•abortionist ronald tauber raped a six-year old girl and spent seven years in prison.
•he had previously killed a woman in a botched abortion in florida. Now he is licensed to commit abortions in new york state.

Oakland
•march 1989. Pro-abortionists attempted to kill a disabled pro-lifer by kicking him repeatedly in the head with heavy boots, even after they had knocked him unconscious.

Oklahoma city
•september 1989. Abortionist joe bill reynolds tried for not a nice acting his wife. 1983 to 1985.
•pro-abortion 'doctors' at oklahoma children's memorial hospital starved to death 33 newborn babies who were born with vary degrees of spina bifida. All would have lived if they had not been killed.

Philadelphia
•may 1990. Abortionist joseph melnick was convicted of allowing a 32-week viable baby girl to die by ordering 'no care' to be given her after she survived his third-trimester abortion attempt.
•january 1989. Abortionist connie tan yen was charged with infanticide after allowing a third-trimester baby to die.

Pittsfield, maryland
•august 1979. A pro-abortion arsonist destroyed the local right to life office.

Washington, dc
•march 1975. Abortionist robert sherman was tried for not a nice act after killing 16-year old rita mcdowell.
•he also kidnapped a patient and pled guilty to 25 counts of lying under oath.
.......................................... .......................................... .......................

The dramatic mendiola case finally confirmed two facts that pro-lifers have known for many years:

1. That pro-abortionists threaten and carry out violence against their own clinics in order to discredit pro-lifers.

2. That many of the so-called "silent no more" stories about women who have had illegal abortions are outright lies.

According to the december 10, 1987 issue of the los angeles times, veteran pro-abortion activist and sodomite frank mendiola called in numerous bomb threats to clinics, abortionists, and even his own home so that "... You people, the media, will come down with a harder line on those people who are harassing the clinics."

*peaceful protests are "harrasment" now! Freedom to choose abortion for women, but no freedom of speach for those who oppose it...


Easy enough to find now who is talking out of there ass
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bd1012

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Posted: 01-22-05 10:51am

What site did these come from?
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:55am

bd1012 wrote:
again.. Those are biased sites. I take them with a grain of salt.. You want us to believe you? Post something from an unbiased site..



why do you not belive anything that is posted(not you personaly but pc in general)? I posted a pro choice site but was still told it was biased and lying.





Please note this is f.A.C.T.
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:04am

bd1012 wrote:
what site did these come from?

this site is where I found it on a thread called pro choice bomb own clinics abortion violence.Then go do what I did,which was go to each newspaper and check it out in the archives to prove if I am telling the truth.

Please note I do not condone violence in any shape whether it be pro life or pro choice these people are ignorant and cannot debate any other way.Please check out the frank mendiola case as to why I asked if it could be prochoice.
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:06am

Or are you going to deny that aswell steen
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:08am

Look alright.. I really don't care what "evidence" you post..Violence towards prolifers whether it's real or not isn't going to change the fact that it is still a womans' choice to have an abortion. Now I don't really know if alot of this stuff is true or not and I am not claiming to know.. All I know is that I am prochoice and no other side issue is going to change that. As far as believing certain sites.. Chances are biased sites have a goal in mind and that is to sway people to whatever side that site is on, and sometimes the real truth tends to get either exaggerated or just lost completly to fit with their agenda. Chances are if the site is soley about abortion, it is going to be biased. That may not be true 100% of the time but a site being only about abortion is mostly always biased. As far as violence towards prolifers.. Maybe it is real and maybe it isn't.. Prochoicers are human and passionate about this issue, just like prolifers.. So maybe things do get out of hand, I don't know. But it doesn't mean that changes that abortion is a choice only for the woman in question to decide on.
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:13am

bd1012 wrote:
look alright.. I really don't care what "evidence" you post..Violence towards prolifers whether it's real or not isn't going to change the fact that it is still a womans' choice to have an abortion. Now I don't really know if alot of this stuff is true or not and I am not claiming to know.. All I know is that I am prochoice and no other side issue is going to change that. As far as believing certain sites.. Chances are biased sites have a goal in mind and that is to sway people to whatever side that site is on, and sometimes the real truth tends to get either exaggerated or just lost completly to fit with their agenda. Chances are if the site is soley about abortion, it is going to be biased. That may not be true 100% of the time but a site being only about abortion is mostly always biased. As far as violence towards prolifers.. Maybe it is real and maybe it isn't.. Prochoicers are human and passionate about this issue, just like prolifers.. So maybe things do get out of hand, I don't know. But it doesn't mean that changes that abortion is a choice only for the woman in question to decide on.




why are you making an excuse for prochoicers when they commit acts of violence,but not for pro lifers.Most sites if not all sites will have some bias if a site is either for or against abortion I wont take notice of any stats or evidence that is not in the public domain,i post from certain sites because what I post can be easily verified by newspaper archives
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:22am

I don't condone prochoice violence, not at all. Because of those health question's we all really look like the suckers that prolifers think we are. I don't condone people giving prochoicers a bad name! As if we don't look bad enough with what bs is being said about us in prolife/lie sites. I am just saying that it doesn't mean abortion is anymore wrong or right.
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:45am

bd1012 wrote:
i don't condone prochoice violence, not at all. Because of those health question's we all really look like the suckers that prolifers think we are. I don't condone people giving prochoicers a bad name! As if we don't look bad enough with what bs is being said about us in prolife/lie sites. I am just saying that it doesn't mean abortion is anymore wrong or right.


i quite agree bd same here, but then again you get morons in all organizations,and I take no notice if a site starts to slate the person rather than the act,i cannot comment on people because I do not know them,i can and will comment on the act itself tho {i also apologize for my pro death comment in the other thread I was out of order}the violence is disgusting any one found to have commited an criminal act should not be allowed to blame an ideal.I only posted them in reply to steen accusing me of lying about pro choice
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Posted: 01-25-05 13:26pm

The reason people who are against abortion bomb clinics and/or kill physicians that perform the abortions is because they want an eye for an eye. If you are a baby killer (both the woman and physician) then you should be punished by having your life taken is their m.O.. It's basically a similar concept to those who commit homicide and are subject to the death sentence. Now go ahead and harrass me all you want, steen. I can feel it coming on anyway since you have such strong opinions on everything.
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Posted: 01-25-05 13:31pm

Well then I guess that means they're not pro-life.
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Posted: 01-25-05 14:10pm

No happy to say i,m not pro life because I do belive in an eye for an eye so no not pro life just anti termination


please note this is fact.
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