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steen
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-20-05 00:22am
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| fishx
wrote: | | please a seriouse question
what makes your oppinions right and
everyone elses
wrong? |
well, the topic was
arsons of abortion clinics. My position
is that they are wrong, and the prolifers
here are disputing all sorts of stuff.
So the serious question is why you are not
outraged about the arson of an abortion
clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find
such arson to be "right" (now that we talk
right and wrong)?
There, that was your question. Can you
answer that, or are you back to your usual
troll lies?
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FISHX
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-20-05 08:09am
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| steen
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | please a seriouse question
what makes your oppinions right and
everyone elses
wrong? |
well, the topic was
arsons of abortion clinics. My position
is that they are wrong, and the prolifers
here are disputing all sorts of stuff.
So the serious question is why you are not
outraged about the arson of an abortion
clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find
such arson to be "right" (now that we talk
right and wrong)?
There, that was your question. Can you
answer that, or are you back to your usual
troll lies? |
if you would like to go back to page one
of this thread tenth post down you will
see that I do think that the arson attack
on a health (termination) clinic is
disgusting I in no way condone this action
or any other act of terrorism plaese show
where I said I do.
But i,m not the one blindly accusing one
side or the other now am i?
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foreverblue
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-21-05 10:59am
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| steen
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | please a seriouse question
what makes your oppinions right and
everyone elses
wrong? |
well, the topic was
arsons of abortion clinics. My position
is that they are wrong, and the prolifers
here are disputing all sorts of stuff.
So the serious question is why you are not
outraged about the arson of an abortion
clinic. Why do prolifers seem to find
such arson to be "right" (now that we talk
right and wrong)?
There, that was your question. Can you
answer that, or are you back to your usual
troll lies? |
now I wonder if this could of been done by
a pro choicer, as been known before,pro
choice fanatics are just has deadly has
pro life fanatics
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steen
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-21-05 23:25pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | now I wonder if this could
of been done by a pro choicer, as been
known before,pro choice fanatics are just
has deadly has pro life
fanatics |
really? And you have
evidence for that claim? Lots of
prochoicers on death row, just like all
the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers
having their own "nuremberg site" with a
life bounty of prolifers? And
prochoicers having a "white rose banquet"
where those who murdered prolifers are
celebrated as heroes and martyrs?
Or were you just speaking out your ass?
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foreverblue
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-22-05 03:30am
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | now I wonder if this could
of been done by a pro choicer, as been
known before,pro choice fanatics are just
has deadly has pro life
fanatics |
really? And you have
evidence for that claim? Lots of
prochoicers on death row, just like all
the prolifers on death row? Prochoicers
having their own "nuremberg site" with a
life bounty of prolifers? And
prochoicers having a "white rose banquet"
where those who not a nice acted prolifers
are celebrated as heroes and martyrs?
Or were you just speaking out your
ass? |
and here I was thinking you were here for
serious and rational debate,my mistake
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-22-05 09:58am
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | now I wonder if this could
of been done by a pro choicer, as been
known before,pro choice fanatics are just
has deadly has pro life
fanatics |
really? And you have
evidence for that claim? Lots of
prochoicers on death row, just like all
the prolifers on death row?
Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg
site" with a life bounty of prolifers?
And prochoicers having a "white rose
banquet" where those who not a nice acted
prolifers are celebrated as heroes and
martyrs?
Or were you just speaking out your
ass? |
and here I was thinking
you were here for serious and rational
debate,my
mistake |
well, I just figured out
that you obviously weren't, with your
claim of how prochoice fanatics are as
"deadly" as the prolife fanatics. Yes,
that is a lie, and I don't tolerate lies.
So don't give me that lame excuse. You
made a blatantly false claim (which I
noted that you didn't retract), and now
come up with a lame accusation when you
are called on that lie.
I gave you examples of the prolifers, and
you just claim that I am not serious.
Yes, it does indeed seem that you are
speaking out your ass.
Or would you care to retract the blatantly
false accusation you made?
I am waiting.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
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Re: Steen
Posted: 01-22-05 10:43am
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | now I wonder if this could
of been done by a pro choicer, as been
known before,pro choice fanatics are just
has deadly has pro life
fanatics |
really? And you have
evidence for that claim? Lots of
prochoicers on death row, just like all
the prolifers on death row?
Prochoicers having their own "nuremberg
site" with a life bounty of prolifers?
And prochoicers having a "white rose
banquet" where those who not a nice acted
prolifers are celebrated as heroes and
martyrs?
Or were you just speaking out your
ass? |
and here I was thinking
you were here for serious and rational
debate,my
mistake |
well, I just figured out
that you obviously weren't, with your
claim of how prochoice fanatics are as
"deadly" as the prolife fanatics. Yes,
that is a lie, and I don't tolerate lies.
So don't give me that lame excuse.
You made a blatantly false claim (which I
noted that you didn't retract), and now
come up with a lame accusation when you
are called on that lie.
I gave you examples of the prolifers, and
you just claim that I am not serious.
Yes, it does indeed seem that you are
speaking out your ass.
Or would you care to retract the blatantly
false accusation you made?
I am waiting. |
well ok mr insulting I will provide you
with proof,again something you do not
provide period.
Http://www.Abortionv
iolence.Com/viol-01.Htm
http://
www.Abortiontv.Com/glitch/proabortionviole
nce.Htm
http://www.Fnsa.Org/apaw/ch14
.Html
but of course you being prochoice you will
deny this now stop trying to insult me and
be serious,you gave me examples no proof
nothing unusual there tho
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:48am
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Again.. Those are biased sites. I take
them with a grain of salt.. You want us
to believe you? Post something from an
unbiased site..
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:49am
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How about cherry hill clinic where an
abortionist{dr} ran over pro lifer george
krail twice heres a list.
Aberdeen, south dakota
•1977. Abortionist benjamin munson was
tried for manslaughter after killing linda
padfield.
Boston
•january 1975. Abortionist kenneth edelin
aborted a live 22-week baby boy and then
left him to die. He was subsequently
convicted of manslaughter.
August 1976. A 20-year old
pro-abortionist beat 85-year old ignatius
o'connor so badly that he was hospitalized
for three months.
Buffalo
•abortionist jesse ketchum was convicted
of criminally negligent homicide after
killing 25-year old margaret louise smith.
Cherry hill, new jersey
•april 1988. An abortionist from cherry
hill women's center ran over pro-lifer
george krail twice with his car.
El paso, texas
•june 1983. Abortionist raymond showery
was convicted of not a nice act for
drowning a five-pound viable baby who
survived one of his third-trimester
abortions.
•he also killed mickey apodaca during an
abortion and was indicted for
manslaughter.
Fort lauderdale
•april 1988. Abortionist theodore lehrer
was charged with forcibly aborting his
wife against her will after raping her,
handcuffing her and tying her to a table.
Knoxville
•april 1990. Five pro-lifers found pipe
bombs in their driveways. Police stated
that this was retaliation for recent
pro-life activities.
Las vegas
•november 1989. Pro-abortion arsonists
burned pro-life andy anderson's car, which
had been covered with pro-life
bumperstickers.
Los angeles
•july 1991.Abortionist mahlon cannon lost
his medical license july 1991 for gross
negligence in numerous incidents,
including the death of donna heim.
•march 1989. Three radical
pro-abortionists were arrested after
igniting an incendiary device in a church
packed with pro-life activists.
•n.O.V.E.M.B.E.R. 1987. Pro-abortion
activist frank mendiola was found
.G.U.I.L.T.Y .O.F. Phoning .B.O.M.B.
T.H.R.E.A.T.S. To .C.L.I.N.I.C.S..
•mendiola had also gained sympathy for the
pro-abortion side with his heartrending
stories about how his twin sister died on
a kitchen table of a botched illegal
abortion. It was later discovered that
mendiola had lied; he has no sisters at
all.
•january 1987. Abortionist steven pine
punctured belinda byrd's uterus during a
second-trimester abortion and then
abandoned her to die of complications.
•october 1986. Abortionist edward allred
was charged with providing substandard
care, safety and health violations, and
causing the death of mary pena at one of
his 'assembly line' clinics.
•september 1971. Abortionist richard m.
Neal was tried for manslaughter after
killing janet foster.
Long beach
•august 1983. Abortionist strangled a
2-1/2 pound, 7-1/2 month baby who survived
an abortion because he knew the 'mother'
didn't want the baby and he feared a
lawsuit. He was indicted for not a nice
act.
Miami
•1980-1983. Abortionist hipolito barreiro
was charged with manslaughter after four
women died at his clinic.
Midland, florida
•october 1992. Pro-abortion democrat eric
capun fired five shots through the window
of the home of his political opponent,
pro-life republican robert stark, wounding
stark's wife judith.
Newhall, california
•abortionist milos klvana was sentenced to
53 years in prison after being found
guilty of the mass not a nice act of eight
newborn babies.
New york city
•abortionist ronald tauber raped a
six-year old girl and spent seven years in
prison.
•he had previously killed a woman in a
botched abortion in florida. Now he is
licensed to commit abortions in new york
state.
Oakland
•march 1989. Pro-abortionists attempted
to kill a disabled pro-lifer by kicking
him repeatedly in the head with heavy
boots, even after they had knocked him
unconscious.
Oklahoma city
•september 1989. Abortionist joe bill
reynolds tried for not a nice acting his
wife. 1983 to 1985.
•pro-abortion 'doctors' at oklahoma
children's memorial hospital starved to
death 33 newborn babies who were born with
vary degrees of spina bifida. All would
have lived if they had not been killed.
Philadelphia
•may 1990. Abortionist joseph melnick was
convicted of allowing a 32-week viable
baby girl to die by ordering 'no care' to
be given her after she survived his
third-trimester abortion attempt.
•january 1989. Abortionist connie tan yen
was charged with infanticide after
allowing a third-trimester baby to die.
Pittsfield, maryland
•august 1979. A pro-abortion arsonist
destroyed the local right to life office.
Washington, dc
•march 1975. Abortionist robert sherman
was tried for not a nice act after killing
16-year old rita mcdowell.
•he also kidnapped a patient and pled
guilty to 25 counts of lying under oath.
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.......................
The dramatic mendiola case finally
confirmed two facts that pro-lifers have
known for many years:
1. That pro-abortionists threaten and
carry out violence against their own
clinics in order to discredit pro-lifers.
2. That many of the so-called "silent no
more" stories about women who have had
illegal abortions are outright lies.
According to the december 10, 1987 issue
of the los angeles times, veteran
pro-abortion activist and sodomite frank
mendiola called in numerous bomb threats
to clinics, abortionists, and even his own
home so that "... You people, the media,
will come down with a harder line on those
people who are harassing the clinics."
*peaceful protests are "harrasment" now!
Freedom to choose abortion for women, but
no freedom of speach for those who oppose
it...
Easy enough to find now who is talking out
of there ass
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:51am
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What site did these come from?
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 01-22-05 10:55am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | again.. Those are biased
sites. I take them with a grain of
salt.. You want us to believe you?
Post something from an unbiased
site.. |
why do you not belive anything that is
posted(not you personaly but pc in
general)? I posted a pro choice site but
was still told it was biased and lying.
Please note this is f.A.C.T.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:04am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | what site did these come
from? |
this site is where I found it on a thread
called pro choice bomb own clinics
abortion violence.Then go do what I
did,which was go to each newspaper and
check it out in the archives to prove if I
am telling the truth.
Please note I do not condone violence in
any shape whether it be pro life or pro
choice these people are ignorant and
cannot debate any other way.Please check
out the frank mendiola case as to why I
asked if it could be prochoice.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:06am
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Or are you going to deny that aswell steen
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:08am
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Look alright.. I really don't care what
"evidence" you post..Violence towards
prolifers whether it's real or not isn't
going to change the fact that it is still
a womans' choice to have an abortion.
Now I don't really know if alot of this
stuff is true or not and I am not claiming
to know.. All I know is that I am
prochoice and no other side issue is going
to change that. As far as believing
certain sites.. Chances are biased sites
have a goal in mind and that is to sway
people to whatever side that site is on,
and sometimes the real truth tends to get
either exaggerated or just lost completly
to fit with their agenda. Chances are if
the site is soley about abortion, it is
going to be biased. That may not be true
100% of the time but a site being only
about abortion is mostly always biased.
As far as violence towards prolifers..
Maybe it is real and maybe it isn't..
Prochoicers are human and passionate about
this issue, just like prolifers.. So
maybe things do get out of hand, I don't
know. But it doesn't mean that changes
that abortion is a choice only for the
woman in question to decide on.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:13am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | look alright.. I really
don't care what "evidence" you
post..Violence towards prolifers whether
it's real or not isn't going to change the
fact that it is still a womans' choice to
have an abortion. Now I don't really
know if alot of this stuff is true or not
and I am not claiming to know.. All I
know is that I am prochoice and no other
side issue is going to change that. As
far as believing certain sites.. Chances
are biased sites have a goal in mind and
that is to sway people to whatever side
that site is on, and sometimes the real
truth tends to get either exaggerated or
just lost completly to fit with their
agenda. Chances are if the site is
soley about abortion, it is going to be
biased. That may not be true 100% of
the time but a site being only about
abortion is mostly always biased. As
far as violence towards prolifers..
Maybe it is real and maybe it isn't..
Prochoicers are human and passionate about
this issue, just like prolifers.. So
maybe things do get out of hand, I don't
know. But it doesn't mean that changes
that abortion is a choice only for the
woman in question to decide
on. |
why are you making an excuse for
prochoicers when they commit acts of
violence,but not for pro lifers.Most sites
if not all sites will have some bias if a
site is either for or against abortion I
wont take notice of any stats or evidence
that is not in the public domain,i post
from certain sites because what I post can
be easily verified by newspaper archives
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:22am
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I don't condone prochoice violence, not at
all. Because of those health question's
we all really look like the suckers that
prolifers think we are. I don't condone
people giving prochoicers a bad name!
As if we don't look bad enough with what
bs is being said about us in prolife/lie
sites. I am just saying that it doesn't
mean abortion is anymore wrong or right.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-22-05 11:45am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | i don't condone prochoice
violence, not at all. Because of those
health question's we all really look like
the suckers that prolifers think we are.
I don't condone people giving prochoicers
a bad name! As if we don't look bad
enough with what bs is being said about us
in prolife/lie sites. I am just saying
that it doesn't mean abortion is anymore
wrong or
right. |
i quite agree bd same here, but then
again you get morons in all
organizations,and I take no notice if a
site starts to slate the person rather
than the act,i cannot comment on people
because I do not know them,i can and will
comment on the act itself tho {i also
apologize for my pro death comment in the
other thread I was out of order}the
violence is disgusting any one found to
have commited an criminal act should not
be allowed to blame an ideal.I only posted
them in reply to steen accusing me of
lying about pro choice
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Gero
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
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Posted: 01-25-05 13:26pm
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The reason people who are against abortion
bomb clinics and/or kill physicians that
perform the abortions is because they want
an eye for an eye. If you are a baby
killer (both the woman and physician) then
you should be punished by having your life
taken is their m.O.. It's basically a
similar concept to those who commit
homicide and are subject to the death
sentence. Now go ahead and harrass me all
you want, steen. I can feel it coming on
anyway since you have such strong opinions
on everything.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-25-05 13:31pm
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Well then I guess that means they're not
pro-life.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-25-05 14:10pm
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No happy to say i,m not pro life because I
do belive in an eye for an eye so no not
pro life just anti termination
please note this is fact.
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