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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 14:47pm
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does a kidney have it's own unique dna?
nope, and so? A hydatidiform mole, f.Ex., has its own unique dna. Does that make it a person

is a fetus a potential person?

A hydatidiform mole may not be a person but it is part of what was a potential person.
really? You are saying that a hydatidiform mole once was a potential person?
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 02-15-05 14:47pm
Lilblaze-- you are making me miss being pregnant!! I love when they dance and kick around!! I remember sitting on the couch and my whole stomach would just shift from one side to the other....It was so cute....
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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 14:48pm
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so even though my "fetus" has a penis and I know he's a he, I still am in my 2nd tri and have the right to abort if I want to (which I would never do).
yes you do, in some places.

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I don't call him my fetus or zef or... I say my baby or son even now. He is my son, there's no denying that.
i call my dog "baby." does that mean that he is a baby? Or does what we call things not matter a hill of beans to what it actually is?
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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 14:51pm
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one of the best feelings in the world is a baby moving.
and one of the worst is that of feeling a fetus of an unwanted pregnancy move. The terror of that is so severe that women over generations have resotred to desperate and dangerous attempts at freeing their bodies from these unwanted fetuses, even to the point where many died. And in countries where abortions are illegal, women continue to die for that very reason, and die in significant numbers.

So whether it is a joy or something it is worth dying to get rid off, that really is a matter of perspective, isn't it?
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Posted: 02-15-05 14:51pm
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i call my dog "baby." does that mean that he is a baby? Or does what we call things not matter a hill of beans to what it actually is?[/quote]


so why do pro lifers get acused of emotionalising the issue if we call a fetus a baby ?
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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 14:53pm
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i call my dog "baby." does that mean that he is a baby? Or does what we call things not matter a hill of beans to what it actually is?
so why do pro lifers get acused of emotionalising the issue if we call a fetus a baby ?
ah, because I am not making the claim that my dog actually *is* a baby. I know that it is merely kind of a nickname, but that in the *real* world, he is a dog.

Funny how prolifers are unable to see that. As such, to a prolifer, my dog *must* be a baby because I call him that, right? Guess where the silly, emotive absolutism resides in that perspective.
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Posted: 02-15-05 15:01pm
He is my son though. And like I said you can't deny that.
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Posted: 02-15-05 16:19pm
steen wrote:
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so even though my "fetus" has a penis and I know he's a he, I still am in my 2nd tri and have the right to abort if I want to (which I would never do).
yes you do, in some places.


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I don't call him my fetus or zef or... I say my baby or son even now. He is my son, there's no denying that.
i call my dog "baby." does that mean that he is a baby? Or does what we call things not matter a hill of beans to what it actually is?


and???????? I don't really see anything pertinent in your post. Trey, the little "zef" growing in my stomach is my son. That's that.
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-15-05 16:29pm
lil_blaze2004 wrote:
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so even though my "fetus" has a penis and I know he's a he, I still am in my 2nd tri and have the right to abort if I want to (which I would never do).
yes you do, in some places.



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I don't call him my fetus or zef or... I say my baby or son even now. He is my son, there's no denying that.
i call my dog "baby." does that mean that he is a baby? Or does what we call things not matter a hill of beans to what it actually is?


and???????? I don't really see anything pertinent in your post. Trey, the little "zef" growing in my stomach is my son. That's that.





well said I agree 100% that little baby inside you is your son.
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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 17:10pm
And, that in reality, it is a fetus.
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-15-05 17:24pm
steen wrote:
and, that in reality, it is a fetus.


i think that people have the right to term thier pregnancy anyway they wish to.
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steen

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Posted: 02-15-05 18:35pm
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and, that in reality, it is a fetus.


i think that people have the right to term thier pregnancy anyway they wish to.
yes, they can call it an old sofa if they want to. And that proves what, exactly? Other than aside from the correct, scientific terminology, poeple ascribe all sorts of incorrect and non-binding names to it.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 04:31am
So you choose to call him a fetus, what does that prove?

That you can kill him?
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 02-16-05 04:33am
Good point izzy
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-16-05 04:53am
My oldest dayghter brought a science text book home from school last night oh and guess what it was describing an 18 week gestation baby thier words not mine.



Words have a thousand uses they can also have a thousand meanings.


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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 05:24am
Your pretty lucky living in the uk they have not censored the biology books as yet (i dont think), according to the new revised american biology books a "persons" life does not start until birth.

However pre roe v wade biology books are still available if your lucky enough to find one (that hasnt been burned) that still contain the real facts of life.

Another bit of censorship for you

the. American. Libary. Assosiation who claim to be against censorship allows books on most topics even child pornography but try to find a book on planned parenthood called (i think its) "the grand illusion" and guess what its been censored by the .A.L.A you can read anything you want as long as they say its ok.
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-16-05 05:30am
That is the problem with society today you can only have freedom of choice on what the goverment allow you to choose.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 05:32am
If they are pro killing

is it so hard for us to understand why they are

pro censorship.

Especially if what they are censoring is about what they are killing
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-16-05 05:37am
As the saying goes the truth will out.
May be not in our life time but hopefully in time for our grandchildren and thier children.

To me the censorship shows that they are afraid should society know the truth would society choose the choice that the goverment want them to?
I think not.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 05:55am
Exact a mundo!

By getting a abortion your doing excatly as they want you to do.
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