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SamiNSunisMa
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Father's Rights
Posted: 01-20-05 10:23am
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So how come they have rights when the
child is going to be put up for adoption,
but not abortion? Yes, its a woman's
body, but it's also his child.
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FISHX
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Fathers Rights
Posted: 01-20-05 10:52am
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Brilliant someone is actualy thinking of
the father for once to much emphasis is
put on it being the mothers choice where
as if the mother chose to continue the
pregnancy the father has no choice but to
pay child support.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:28am
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I always thought of that too. But the
ignoramus' on this forum are gonna come
back with the "it's the woman's body"
blah blah caca.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:31am
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | i always thought of that
too. But the ignoramus' on this forum
are gonna come back with the "it's the
woman's body" blah blah
caca. |
yes womans body but mans sperm= equal
parts played in conception therefore the
father should have just as much say in
what happens in the pregnancy.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:35am
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I ask because me and my fiance dont want
errr his mistress to abort... She wants
to. It will most likely be a crack baby
(not if she quits now) she needs to quit
drugs either way. The thing is I can
handle preemies, hello, I am now! :roll:
tell me that not wanting to stop using
drugs and partying is not a selfish
reason.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:36am
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| fishx
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | i always thought of that
too. But the ignoramus' on this forum
are gonna come back with the "it's the
woman's body" blah blah
caca. |
yes womans body but mans sperm= equal
parts played in conception therefore the
father should have just as much say in
what happens in the
pregnancy. |
hey, I completely agree with you but i'm
just saying what the "others" here will
say. It's my prediction--lol. I always
thought the father should have just as
much of a say. There are so many
deadbeats out there, I think it's
wonderfull to see men who care so much!
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:43am
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | i always thought of that
too. But the ignoramus' on this forum
are gonna come back with the "it's the
woman's body" blah blah
caca. |
yes womans body but mans sperm= equal
parts played in conception therefore the
father should have just as much say in
what happens in the
pregnancy. |
hey, I completely agree with you but i'm
just saying what the "others" here will
say. It's my prediction--lol. I
always thought the father should have just
as much of a say. There are so many
deadbeats out there, I think it's
wonderfull to see men who care so
much! |
nono I was,nt trying to be health forum
just wanted to get that in before the
others trashed the thread with insults
lol.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:46am
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I also believe that the father should have
a say in whether or not his baby is
aborted. The baby is also a part of him.
Not all men are dogs and don't want to
take care of their children. What if that
man really wanted that baby? Do his
feelings not count?
My prediction: I agree--the pro-choice
will come back and say oh blah blah blah
'it's making me sick and it's using my
recourses' and all that stupid crap. But
it's a terribly lame argument.
Abortion doesn't only affect the woman it
affects the father, siblings,
grandparents...Etc....
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:48am
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Exactly this fetus will be my children's
half sibling (maybe, it could be another
guys). Im even willing to pay her
co-pays, go to her appts with her, and
raise the child, letting her visit if she
gets clean.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:54am
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even willing
to pay her co-pays, go to her appts with
her, and raise the child, letting her
visit if she gets
clean. |
wrong topic hil...... Lol think you're
mixing it up with the "donnell" one--
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:56am
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even willing
to pay her co-pays, go to her appts with
her, and raise the child, letting her
visit if she gets
clean. |
yeah.. It's her body going through
pregnancy not yours so if she wants to
abort.. Let her.. It's not up to you in
the slightest bit so deal with it. You
are going to let a poor crack baby into
this world just so they can suffer? Do
you know what they go through? It's not
a matter of parenting, it's a matter of
whether or not she wants to gestate or
want she wants to happen.. And she wants
to abort so deal with it. She doesn't
need your permission.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-20-05 11:57am
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even willing
to pay her co-pays, go to her appts with
her, and raise the child, letting her
visit if she gets
clean. |
respect girl you are very brave to take on
your parteners mistresses child I hope
everything works out for you .
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:00pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even willing
to pay her co-pays, go to her appts with
her, and raise the child, letting her
visit if she gets
clean. |
yeah.. It's her body going through
pregnancy not yours so if she wants to
abort.. Let her.. It's not up to you
in the slightest bit so deal with it.
You are going to let a poor crack baby
into this world just so they can suffer?
Do you know what they go through? It's
not a matter of parenting, it's a matter
of whether or not she wants to gestate or
want she wants to happen.. And she wants
to abort so deal with it. She doesn't
need your
permission. |
but what about the fathers rights bd he
wants to raise his child in circumstances
like this termination is,nt the only
opption.
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:01pm
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| mom2trevor
wrote: | i also believe that the
father should have a say in whether or not
his baby is aborted. The baby is also a
part of him. Not all men are dogs and
don't want to take care of their children.
What if that man really wanted that
baby? Do his feelings not count?
My prediction: I agree--the pro-choice
will come back and say oh blah blah blah
'it's making me sick and it's using my
recourses' and all that stupid crap. But
it's a terribly lame argument.
Abortion doesn't only affect the woman it
affects the father, siblings,
grandparents...Etc.... |
so what if it affects the other people?
Don't tell me that that's selfish for
saying that because it's selfish to make
someone suffer through pregnancy so that
you can have a kid without going through
all the trouble. I am not going to
gestate so someone else could enjoy my
child should I have birthed it instead..
They want a kid.. Adopt one! So what if
the guy wanted the baby? He's not the
one that's pregnant.. Simple as that.
He doesnt' have to go through it so he
shouldn't have the slightest authority
over it. Don't like it? Tough!
Btw.. I don't agree that the father
should have a say in adoption unless he is
willing to raise it completly on his own
without any help from the mother. He
wants it.. He gets it.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:02pm
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Brandy the reasons are purely selfish and
u cant deny it.
If its his or not, I dont care frankly.
This child and the mother deserve another
chance. I was given one and im going to
try to help give her and her child one.
Haha yeah she's the saaame one, I hate
her, but I aint gonna punish the child for
it.
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:03pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even
willing to pay her co-pays, go to her
appts with her, and raise the child,
letting her visit if she gets
clean. |
yeah.. It's her body going through
pregnancy not yours so if she wants to
abort.. Let her.. It's not up to you
in the slightest bit so deal with it.
You are going to let a poor crack baby
into this world just so they can suffer?
Do you know what they go through?
It's not a matter of parenting, it's a
matter of whether or not she wants to
gestate or want she wants to happen..
And she wants to abort so deal with it.
She doesn't need your
permission. |
but what about the fathers rights bd he
wants to raise his child in circumstances
like this termination is,nt the only
opption. |
adoption and childbirth aren't the only
option either. If I want to abort should
I get pregnant.. Bf will have no
say..He's the only reason I have sex
anymore in the first place. If he tries
to coerce me.. We will break up.
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:04pm
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | brandy the reasons are
purely selfish and u cant deny it.
If its his or not, I dont care frankly.
This child and the mother deserve another
chance. I was given one and im going to
try to help give her and her child one.
Haha yeah she's the saaame one, I hate
her, but I aint gonna punish the child for
it. |
selfish selfish, selfish.. So fucking
what!! Tell you what.. If you are going
to raise that kid all on your own without
her help at all. Then maybe but that
still does not take away the fact that she
is going to gestate for nothing.. It's
not your choice so get over it.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:05pm
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[quote="bd1012"]| mom2trevor
wrote: | i also believe that the
father should have a say in whether or not
his baby is aborted. The baby is also
a part of him. Not all men are dogs
and don't want to take care of their
children. What if that man really
wanted that baby? Do his feelings not
count?
My prediction: I agree--the pro-choice
will come back and say oh blah blah blah
'it's making me sick and it's using my
recourses' and all that stupid crap.
But it's a terribly lame argument.
Abortion doesn't only affect the woman it
affects the father, siblings,
grandparents...Etc.... |
that is the whole point sami and her
partener do want to adopt his child
you do,nt think that the father should
have any say bd have you ever thought that
if the father has to pay child support
then it should work both ways. You ca,nt
force a father to pay child support then
say it,s nothing to do with you.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:07pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | saminsunisma
wrote: | | exactly this fetus will be
my children's half sibling (maybe, it
could be another guys). Im even
willing to pay her co-pays, go to her
appts with her, and raise the child,
letting her visit if she gets
clean. |
yeah.. It's her body going through
pregnancy not yours so if she wants to
abort.. Let her.. It's not up to
you in the slightest bit so deal with it.
You are going to let a poor crack baby
into this world just so they can suffer?
Do you know what they go through?
It's not a matter of parenting, it's a
matter of whether or not she wants to
gestate or want she wants to happen..
And she wants to abort so deal with it.
She doesn't need your
permission. |
but what about the fathers rights bd he
wants to raise his child in circumstances
like this termination is,nt the only
opption. |
adoption and childbirth aren't the only
option either. If I want to abort
should I get pregnant.. Bf will have no
say..He's the only reason I have sex
anymore in the first place. If he tries
to coerce me.. We will break
up. |
sorry but imo you are not prochoice but
pro death all you have posted here is
abort abort that to me is a sad frame of
mind for a female
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-20-05 12:10pm
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I see where you're going with child
support. I do believe that a father
should have a right to sign away his
parental rights. The only thing with
this is that (problem for your side) is
that many more women will abort. The
father could say he wants the kid and then
when it comes.. He could ditch her and
then say he doesn't want it anymore and
the kid will be left uncared for.
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