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bd1012

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:11pm

foreverblue wrote:

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fishx wrote:

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saminsunisma wrote:

exactly this fetus will be my children's half sibling (maybe, it could be another guys). Im even willing to pay her co-pays, go to her appts with her, and raise the child, letting her visit if she gets clean.

yeah.. It's her body going through pregnancy not yours so if she wants to abort.. Let her.. It's not up to you in the slightest bit so deal with it. You are going to let a poor crack baby into this world just so they can suffer? Do you know what they go through? It's not a matter of parenting, it's a matter of whether or not she wants to gestate or want she wants to happen.. And she wants to abort so deal with it. She doesn't need your permission.

but what about the fathers rights bd he wants to raise his child in circumstances like this termination is,nt the only opption.

adoption and childbirth aren't the only option either. If I want to abort should I get pregnant.. Bf will have no say..He's the only reason I have sex anymore in the first place. If he tries to coerce me.. We will break up.

sorry but imo you are not prochoice but pro death all you have posted here is abort abort that to me is a sad frame of mind for a female

how the hell am I prodeath? Whatever.. I am not even going to bother with you.

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:12pm

bd1012 wrote:

i see where you're going with child support. I do believe that a father should have a right to sign away his parental rights. The only thing with this is that (problem for your side) is that many more women will abort. The father could say he wants the kid and then when it comes.. He could ditch her and then say he doesn't want it anymore and the kid will be left uncared for.

not neccesarily uncared for childless couples outnumber children in this country but I do see your point.

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:15pm

bd1012 wrote:

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but what about the fathers rights bd he wants to raise his child in circumstances like this termination is,nt the only opption.

n/o but you sound stupid as hell, he coerced you to have sex and you did it health question! Therefore, if you dont want sex dont have it :roll: then no possibility of a child amazing how that works. Now if he hasnt coerced you into sex, it sure as hell sounds like it!

bd1012

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:16pm

jlee77 wrote:

bd are you out of your damn mind girl?

He most certainly should have a say. We all knew you and hmmm...Wonder who else (!!) would say it's her body, let her terminate. Your lame and the excuse is lame so it matches up doesn't it?! At least come up with an intelligent response. The woman would not be pregnant w/o the man's sperm so you better believe he should have ***just as much*** say in regards to the baby. I feel horrible for men whose "other" aborts despite his feelings. That is terrible. It's basically like the father who lost his child to the vicious rapist who killed his daughter when he was done raping her. He had no control over that...Same here. (that was just a general example I used so calm down already).
Your just selfish. I know, I know, so doing it what? We got it. Let's start a charity fund for bd. :roll:

again.. So what if it's selfish.. I do think it would be nice if the woman would listen to how the guy feels but it is their right to abort.

What do you mean by this btw

"we all knew you and hmmm...Wonder who else (!!)"

bd1012

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:18pm

saminsunisma wrote:

bd1012 wrote:

fishx wrote:

bd1012 wrote:

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but what about the fathers rights bd he wants to raise his child in circumstances like this termination is,nt the only opption.

look.. You dont know us so stay out of our lifes.. It's time you get through your head we will have sex whenever the hell we want and our private life is none of your business so fuck off!

SamiNSunisMa

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:24pm


Sorry then dont post about it lmao :roll:

bd1012

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:26pm


I won't anymore. The only reason I do is to show a real life case to you. An example.. I don't appreciate when you start trying to tell me what to do with it though.

SamiNSunisMa

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Posted: 01-20-05 12:32pm

bd1012 wrote:

i won't anymore. The only reason I do is to show a real life case to you. An example.. I don't appreciate when you start trying to tell me what to do with it though.

then dont with my real life k? And helllo its common sense!

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Posted: 01-20-05 16:11pm

fishx wrote:

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i always thought of that too. But the ignoramus' on this forum are gonna come back with the "it's the woman's body" blah blah caca.

yes womans body but mans sperm= equal parts played in conception therefore the father should have just as much say in what happens in the pregnancy.

hey, I completely agree with you but i'm just saying what the "others" here will say. It's my prediction--lol. I always thought the father should have just as much of a say. There are so many deadbeats out there, I think it's wonderfull to see men who care so much!

nono I was,nt trying to be health questiony just wanted to get that in before the others trashed the thread with insults lol.

i know you weren't trying to be a b*tch. I was just saying what my "prediction is --lol

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Re: Father's Rights
Posted: 01-20-05 17:11pm

saminsunisma wrote:

so how come they have rights when the child is going to be put up for adoption, but not abortion? Yes, its a woman's body, but it's also his child.

you answered your own question - because it's *her* body that is pregnant, that is being put at a *huge* strain and potential risk. When the man can get pregnant, then he can decide - for his own pregnancy.

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Posted: 01-20-05 17:17pm

mom2trevor wrote:

i also believe that the father should have a say in whether or not his baby is aborted. The baby is also a part of him. Not all men are dogs and don't want to take care of their children. What if that man really wanted that baby? Do his feelings not count?

then perhaps he should find out the woman's views and intentions *before* playing hide the weenie with her. I make any potential sexual partner well aware that I *will* abort should our precautions fail. If they still want to fvck, they are accepting *my* terms.

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abortion doesn't only affect the woman it affects the father, siblings, grandparents...Etc....

it's not *them* who are pregnant, so they have no say.

Btw, the sire of my pregnancy made it very plain beforehand he wanted nothing to do with fatherhood, my brother and my mother never knew i'd been pregnant and aborted, so it didn't affect them. I told my father 10 years later and he supports my decision as he knows I am not child oriented and his *only* concern was me and whether I had someone to support me through it or not.

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Saminsunisma Posted: 01-20-05 19:27pm


Didn't I read somewhere in your back posts that you are trying to get clean and that you used drugs while pregnant don't get me wrong, I am not trying to judge you, why are you judging her if your fiance has a mistress then isn't it your fiance's fault too, it is her body and it is her choice. Best of luck sandy

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Re: Father's Rights
Posted: 01-20-05 20:18pm

saminsunisma wrote:

so how come they have rights when the child is going to be put up for adoption, but not abortion? Yes, its a woman's body, but it's also his child.

after birth, when there actually is a child, that is correct. That is not true until birth, however, so that scenario makes perfect sense.

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Posted: 01-20-05 20:22pm

mom2trevor wrote:

abortion doesn't only affect the woman it affects the father, siblings, grandparents...Etc....

well, then so does getting pregnant in the first place. Should all those "interested parties" have a say in that as well?

And what if they insist that you abort? Are you going to defy them anyway and carry to term? How selfish of you, and completely in violation of what you just claimed was their right.

Nice scenario you set up for yourself there, allowing others to decide such things for you.

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Posted: 01-20-05 20:25pm

saminsunisma wrote:

haha yeah she's the saaame one, I hate her, but I aint gonna punish the child for it.

and how about him? How can you hate her and not him? Did he just "accidentially" shoot off inside her?

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Posted: 01-20-05 20:31pm

foreverblue wrote:

sorry but imo you are not prochoice but pro death

really? Any posts about how it is better if people abort? No!

How about posts that it is better to abort than not to abort? No, not that either!

Any talk about never ever having children, rather wanting an abortion? Bd never said that either.

So... "pro-death"? Sure sounds like another nonsense prolife histrionic and emotive outburst. Sure makes it hard to take you serious.

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all you have posted here is abort abort that to me is a sad frame of mind for a female

and to others, it is not. So what? You are not so narcissistic that you can only meassure the world according to your unique views, are you?

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Posted: 01-21-05 10:25am

jlee77 wrote:

a man and woman have sex. The man releases sperm into woman when he cums. W/o cum, pregnancy is not possible, unless there is some miracle out there i'm not aware of. The man has every right to have a say the second that baby is conceived. His rights don't "begin" when the baby is "born". How ridiculous to think that. Steen we will make sure when your wifey becomes pregnant and wants to abort and you don't want her to, that you have no say whatsoever.
Freakin' goof.

wrong. Once the sperm has been deposited in her body, it's hers. And, since it's not his body that is being strained with pregnancy, he gets zero say in it. I'm sure steen agrees that should his wife conceive and want to abort, it would be her decision to make and he has no right to stop her.

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Posted: 01-21-05 10:30am

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Posted: 01-21-05 16:18pm

jlee77 wrote:

ms.Rosie....

I won't even comment on your ridiclous "it's mine" comment. Ignorance!

Yea...Somehow i'm guessing that it would be steen's decision. :roll:

iow, I have you nailed to the wall. Point made.

Rosie

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Posted: 01-21-05 23:31pm

msrosie wrote:

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ms.Rosie....

I won't even comment on your ridiclous "it's mine" comment. Ignorance!

Yea...Somehow i'm guessing that it would be steen's decision. :roll:

iow, I have you nailed to the wall. Point made.

Rosie

quote. I see you got her pegged ;-)