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Kourtney08
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Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-28-05 03:44am
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You're close-minded, and immature. Im not
sick because I don't believe abortions are
wrong. Grow up, and get over it please.
Jilees calling people names all the time,
and so are you now? Is that how you guys
get your points across? You're showing
that these people who disagree with you
get to you, when you act like that.
Remember that ;)
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
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Posted: 01-28-05 05:32am
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| kourtney08
wrote: | you're close-minded, and
immature. Im not sick because I don't
believe abortions are wrong. Grow up,
and get over it please.
Jilees calling people names all the time,
and so are you now? Is that how you guys
get your points across? You're showing
that these people who disagree with you
get to you, when you act like that.
Remember that
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if you are asking me,then no that isnt how
I normally get my point across,but steen
riled me so much with his lies and
backtracking that I lost my temper with
him.Even though I agreed with him he still
called me a liar,what can you do
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-28-05 11:36am
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The command not to homicide applies to
human beings, not to killing animals or
plant life for food. God gave animals to
mankind for his use ( genesis 1:26-30;
9:1-4).
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
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Posted: 01-28-05 11:37am
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Come on according to pro choicers on this
forum,if you dont support abortion then
you should starve to death,after you have
been sterilized,whilst giving every penny
you have to charity and adopting every
single child going,as well as building the
worlds biggest centre for pregnant women
and supporting them afterwards.If you do
not then your selfish and your beliefs are
wrong,because you want all these children
to live,this is the only way.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 01-28-05 12:42pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | but steen riled me so much
with his lies |
where did I lie, you
stinking liar? What a lying scumbag
creep you are
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tr> | what can you
do |
stop lying would be a
good start.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 01-28-05 12:44pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | come on according to pro
choicers on this forum,if you dont support
abortion then you should starve to
death,after you have been
sterilized,whilst giving every penny you
have to charity and adopting every single
child going,as well as building the worlds
biggest centre for pregnant women and
supporting them afterwards.If you do not
then your selfish and your beliefs are
wrong,because you want all these children
to live,this is the only
way. |
your false representation
of prochoice views is duly noted. Again,
we see demonstrated the prolife inability
to actually tell the truth.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-29-05 01:22am
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Most of you so-called wanna-be prolifers
here do not even know what pro-choice
means, duh. You guys do not even know
what cows, pigs, chickens means to a lot
of people, look @ 4h, I was a member, some
of my animals were bought back and died of
old age. I could not eat meat or drink
milk for a long time in life. They show
some people how to let go and move on, it
teaches people survival, responsibility,
reality. Cows and pigs don't curse you,
don't judge you, they can be an escape
from people and reality, they are great
for therapy. Have you ever seen a child
go up and hug a cow or pig, it is so
great, these kids cannot do this nowadays
with most of there parents. I eat meat
now but I have a lot of respect for
animals.
I am pro-choice because I believe in a
choice, just like you pro-lifers do, if
your choice is to continue on with your
pregnancy, that is your choice, if you
plan to adopt, that is your choice, if you
chose to abort, that is your choice, I
understand either way as I am not walking
in your shoes!
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-29-05 03:09am
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Jilee- you're an immature whiney little
brat. I've been trying for awhile now to
try and debate without the pettyness, and
laughing at other peoples opinions. Its
apparent to me that you can't debate with
people without being immature, calling
names, laughing at people, and getting mad
when people arn't agreeing with you.
Like i've said before, please stop posting
to my comments if you can't debate with
people without acting like a little child.
Until you can debate and be mature,
please stop trying to debate with me.
Because you're not going to change my mind
about abortions, and how a woman should
have one if she wants. You're further
making an ass out of yourself.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-29-05 11:52am
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tr> | yup, animals mean
a lot to me too and they are also
creatures of god. But....They are not
human and killing them for food is not
equivalent to abortion and that is what I
was pointing out
before. |
oh so whatever is special to you and only
you is worth saving... You are the one
people are supposed to go to to see if a
certain species or kind is important..
Almighty jlee.. :roll:
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 01-29-05 12:03pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | Quote: |
tr> | yup, animals mean
a lot to <a style='text-decoration:
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true;">me too and they are also
creatures of god. But....They are not
human and killing them for food is not
equivalent to abortion and that is what I
was pointing out
before. |
oh so whatever is special to you and only
you is worth saving... You are the
one people are supposed to go to to see if
a certain species or kind is important..
Almighty jlee..
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are you out of your mind or just drunk?
Where did this come from? If you
actually read, if your able to do
that....Sandyallen was talking about
animals being precious and I agreed.
It's that simple. Calm down you
freakin' angry
beast. |
what you meant was is
that they are not as worth saving becuase
mrs jlee doesn't think so. We should
only be concerned about what you are
concerned with.. Killing animals for
food can be equivalent to abortion
depending on how you look at it.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
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Posted: 01-29-05 12:18pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | killing animals for food
can be equivalent to abortion depending on
how you look at
it. |
sorry bd but I cannot see how you can say
that,you do not eat the fetus do you,
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-29-05 13:49pm
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No, but we also "kill" the fetus before
its born, before it even knows whats going
on. We kill the cows after they're born
and have been born for awhile, produce
some milk for us, then we kill them
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-29-05 21:56pm
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Who the hell has an abortion at 24 weeks?
What? Good god girl.
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sandyallen
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Kourtney
Posted: 01-29-05 22:53pm
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A lot of times it is done for medically
necessary reasons. If you go into
abortion debate and look under patial
birth abortions, you will see the debate
on it, it is not the best situation but
their are times when it is necessary.
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-29-05 23:29pm
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Yeah, I know what they are, and they're
done for reasons. But shes talkin like
people go around having them like its a
coffee.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 01-30-05 01:55am
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| jlee77
wrote: | | kourtney08
wrote: | | who the hell has an abortion
at 24 weeks? What? Good god
girl. |
you have never heard of
this? It
happens. |
but it is very rare.
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tr> | partial birth
abortion |
there is no such thing.
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tr> | is done
primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts
until 28
weeks |
nope, you can't even get
*that* right. 2nd trimester ends at 26th
week of pregnancy (24th week gestational
age). So you don't even know the basics
of this issue? Sheesh!
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 01-30-05 06:35am
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| steen
wrote: | | jlee77
wrote: | | kourtney08
wrote: | | who the hell has an abortion
at 24 weeks? What? Good god
girl. |
you have never heard of
this? It
happens. |
but it is very rare.
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tr> | partial birth
abortion |
there is no such thing.
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tr> | is done
primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts
until 28
weeks |
nope, you can't even get
*that* right. 2nd trimester ends at
26th week of pregnancy (24th week
gestational age). So you don't even
know the basics of this issue?
Sheesh! |
can you kindly clear up for us exactly
when and under what circumstances a
d&x is preformed.
There is a olt of confusion with this
procedure.
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FISHX
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-30-05 13:47pm
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<<<it's rare, so what? They
still happen. Is this your defense for
late term abortions? How pathetic.
>>>
see, right there. Calling someones
argument pathetic.
An opinion, is an opinion, you have yours,
why do you think your opinion is the only
valid one? Everyone on here, whose
pro-choice has had you call them
"pathetic, twerp, liar, di*ck, etc." why
don't you seriously grow up, stop calling
names, stop being such a health forum.
Your argument is more valid that way, and
people are more likely to listen to you.
I barly even read your posts, I skim them
and only when you say something to me i'll
actually read it. Because your arguments
may be valid, but the way you try and get
them across and speak to people is
absoulutley out of line, immature, and
ignorant. I listen and read word for word
fish's posts because shes nice and sincere
about things. You're just trying to get
your point across and shuv your belifs
down peoples throats.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 01-30-05 14:40pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | jlee77
wrote: | | kourtney08
wrote: | | who the hell has an abortion
at 24 weeks? What? Good god
girl. |
you have never heard of
this? It
happens. |
but it is very
rare.| Quote: |
tr> | partial birth
abortion |
there is no such thing.
| Quote: |
tr> | is done
primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts
until 28
weeks |
nope, you can't even get
*that* right. 2nd trimester ends at
26th week of pregnancy (24th week
gestational age). So you don't even
know the basics of this issue?
Sheesh! |
can you kindly clear up for us exactly
when and under what circumstances a
d&x is preformed.
There is a olt of confusion with this
procedure. |
the d&x is used for
abortions generally in 2nd trimester,
predominately weeks 16-22 for abortions
where there is a benefit in reducing the
diameter that the cervix is dilated. It
is done instead of the d&e, where the
fetus is removed in pieces, as it is (1)
safer, involving less risk for perforation
of the uterus, and (2) requires less
dilation of the cervix. The cervical
dilation is only less as long as the
fetus' body is a significantly wider
diameter than its shoulders and torso.
Thus, when the fetus shoulders and torso
are as wide as the head, there is no
benefit from compressing the head
diameter, and simple induction is then
faster, easier and safer as it doesn't
involve any instruments at all. That
generally is around week 25-26, the very
end of 2nd trimester.
The d&x has in rare cases been used in
emergencies in 3rd trimester, when
induction or c-section is not feasible per
the woman's health (i gave an example with
pericarditis, abruptio placentae and rapid
hemorrhaging at some point earlier in a
tread somewhere).
So the d&x is used when it is more
beneficial and safer than the d&e, and
only until around the time when the fetus
shoulders and torso fills out at the end
of 2nd trimester. Otherwise, the d&e
or simple induction is used.
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