How many people who are pregnant say,ive
got a fetus or embryo in here,?How many
times do you turn round and say to a
pregnant woman,how are you and the
fetus?As far as I was concerned you
usually say how are you and baby,when we
talk to pregnant women its called a
baby,so why are people using the medical
terms,instead of what they normally
would.Is this to dehumanise the
procedure.Only a few people answered my
question about doctors and only one
doctor,so from that I will assume that
steen is the only doctor here,so my
question is,if there is only one doctor
here why is everyone in pro choice using
the medical term for a baby?.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Re: Call a Baby a Baby Posted: 02-08-05 06:25am
foreverblue
wrote:
how many people who are
pregnant say,ive got a fetus or embryo in
here,?How many times do you turn round and
say to a pregnant woman,how are you and
the fetus?As far as I was concerned you
usually say how are you and baby,when we
talk to pregnant women its called a
baby,so why are people using the medical
terms,instead of what they normally
would.Is this to dehumanise the
procedure.Only a few people answered my
question about doctors and only one
doctor,so from that I will assume that
steen is the only doctor here,so my
question is,if there is only one doctor
here why is everyone in pro choice using
the medical term for a
baby?.
well i"m not a doctor but I usually use
the term fetus/baby the reason for this is
that in the past on other forums I was
using the term baby and got no debate just
acusations of trying to emotionalise the
board this as you can imagine did detract
somewhat from the debate at hand.
So it is simply the fact that no
acusations can be flung around from the
term fetus/baby.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Re: Call a Baby a Baby Posted: 02-08-05 06:37am
fishx
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
how many people who are
pregnant say,ive got a fetus or embryo in
here,?How many times do you turn round and
say to a pregnant woman,how are you and
the fetus?As far as I was concerned you
usually say how are you and baby,when we
talk to pregnant women its called a
baby,so why are people using the medical
terms,instead of what they normally
would.Is this to dehumanise the
procedure.Only a few people answered my
question about doctors and only one
doctor,so from that I will assume that
steen is the only doctor here,so my
question is,if there is only one doctor
here why is everyone in pro choice using
the medical term for a
baby?.
well i"m not a doctor but I usually use
the term fetus/baby the reason for this is
that in the past on other forums I was
using the term baby and got no debate just
acusations of trying to emotionalise the
board this as you can imagine did detract
somewhat from the debate at hand.
So it is simply the fact that no
acusations can be flung around from the
term fetus/baby.
the question is do you use the word fetus
or the word baby in everyday life,i do not
think 99% of people call it a fetus do
they.The saying goes : she is with child:
not she is with fetus
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-08-05 06:52am
Well I personaly call it a baby as that is
what I beleive it to be from conception I
don"t beleive that termination stops you
being a mother..........Just makes you the
mother of a dead baby.
Either way that baby was your baby.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-08-05 10:46am
I think I would use the term baby when it
comes to asking people how their pregnancy
is going because it's a term of endearment
then, but in reality, it's not a baby
until birth. They might be offended by
me calling it a fetus so for their sake, I
guess I would use baby.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-08-05 11:01am
bd1012
wrote:
i think I would use the term
baby when it comes to asking people how
their pregnancy is going because it's a
term of endearment then, but in reality,
it's not a baby until birth. They might
be offended by me calling it a fetus so
for their sake, I guess I would use
baby.
maybe in the medical field it is not a
baby till birth,but in the publics eyes
has soon has you fall pregnant then it is
a baby.Calling it a zygot or embryo whilst
medically correct is not the term used by
90% of the world.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-08-05 14:34pm
I could careless what people call it.
People say *health forum all the time, and
that means a dog, but do you see people
walking around calling their dogs health
forum? There are so many words in this
world that are used for other things. Who
cares?
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-08-05 14:43pm
kourtney08
wrote:
i could careless what people
call it. People say *health forum all
the time, and that means a dog, but do you
see people walking around calling their
dogs health forum? There are so many
words in this world that are used for
other things. Who
cares?
obviously pro choicers do,otherwise they
would;nt kick off when people call it a
baby and not a fetus
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 02-08-05 14:55pm
I can't think of a single time when I was
pregnant the *anyone* refered to my child
as a fetus....Even the dr called it a
baby...Because that's what it is...A baby!
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-08-05 19:47pm
The problem, of course, is when this is
done for outright deception, to try to
make the zygote, f.Ex., look like a
2-year-old. Downright deceptive,
downright dishonest attempt at emotional
manipulation. If all you can do is base
your argument on deception, then you
really don't have much of an argument.
Especially when looking at an issue where
the developmental stage *does* matter,
such as is the case in abortion where the
legal and medical issues are highly
dependent on the developmental stage. In
that discussion, trying for deception and
blurring of the facts is downright
dishonest; it is a direct intent to lie.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 02-08-05 20:09pm
I generally ask, " how is the pregnancy
coming along?" or "how far along are you
in your pregnancy now?" or I don't say
nothing about it because they are the ones
that talk about it first and I just let
them talk on.
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-08-05 20:54pm
Im sorry, but I don't see people going
around calling their girl dogs *health
forum* like I said, there are so many
words used for other things. Who cares?
This isn't even an argument.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 02-08-05 22:51pm
Kourtney--it is an argument because
everytime a pro-life person refers to a
baby we are told that we are *liars* and
*trolls* so therefore it is an
argument...So if it's not an argument to
you then why respond to the post?
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-09-05 00:27am
Because theres this little thing called
freedom of speech sweetie, it allows me to
state my opinion, whenever, and wherever I
want. Isn't that cool?
Anyways, if its an argument, its a very
petty and pointless one. But whatever,
argue about it if thats what you
realllllllly want. ;)
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 02-09-05 00:42am
Kourtney--must you always be snotty and
rude?
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-09-05 00:47am
Well yeah, when you continue to question
my opinions like they're nothing. Yes, I
can be pretty snotty..
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 02-09-05 01:14am
Exactly how did I question your
opinion..Please explain that...
You said that it wasn't an argument...I
told you why we see it as an
argument.....
I just wonder if it's *pointless* and
*petty* to you why you bother to argue if
it's not an argument?
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-09-05 01:29am
Im wondering why you keep asking me why im
posting. Like I said, I will post
wherever, and whenver I damn well please.
You don't like my opinions and my beliefs,
then please ignore me, and them and stop
bothering me with your stupid questions.
Im not questioning your opinion so back
off mine.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 02-09-05 02:36am
You have questioned my opinion plenty of
times...So stop with the *i'm so innocent
act*
go ahead and post wherever and whenever
you please...No one is stopping you....You
just can't handle when someone says
something you don't like...Typical of
you....
Go ahead curse and rant and rave all you
want....It really shows how smart you are.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
Posted: 02-09-05 05:44am
Steen: "the problem, of course, is when
this is done for outright deception, to
try to make the zygote, f.Ex., look like a
2-year-old."
appart from looks there is no real
difference and since we dont go arround
killing "ugly humanoids", looks do not
define a human person.
You see the problem with our society is
its become so self centered, its only
concern is our personal rights. We claim
freedom to choose is our right, and it is,
but some also believe it is also their
right to define for themselves what is and
what is not.
For example
they define that a fetus is not a human
person so now they then can say abortion
does not effect the rights of anybody, but
making it ilegal would effect the rights
of the woman, who they have so happened to
have as their right defined a woman as a
person.
So now I say its my right to define ugly
people as "ugly humanoids" and my right to
define humanoids as none persons, now that
I have taught this to the world via media,
university theology ect, everyone knows
that "humanoids" are not living human
persons, therefore it is our right to
freedom of choice that allows us to
terminate these "ugly humanoids" if we so
choose, I am affraid many people in
society are being used in this manor.
What is wrong with me defining for myself
what is and what is not, if there are no
concreate truths or morality, or in other
words truth and morality are subjective to
ones own ideas of morality and truth.
So what "steen" is saying is:
it is his right to define what is and what
is not, and he has defined "looks" as
being part of what makes us human persons,
what really scares me, is that he also
reserves the right to define what these
"looks" are.... Very very nazi type
ideology.
I am not saying that steen, himslef is
doing this, just that groups in society
are doing this, thus enslaving the
population to their ideology of their
right to define what is and what is not.
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