lil_blaze2004
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Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 12:06pm
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This was brought up in the pregnancy forum
and we decide to bring it where it
belonged.
Although I think abortion is wrong
(depending on the situation: medical,
rape, incest) I absolutely do not think
it should be used as a form of birth
control.
To quote steen "but abortion is also a
stopgap meassure to stop a pregnancy when
other methods have failed, so yes it
should be used as birth control."
what do you guys think???
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FISHX
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 12:15pm
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | this was brought up in the
pregnancy forum and we decide to bring it
where it belonged.
Although I think abortion is wrong
(depending on the situation: medical,
rape, incest) I absolutely do not think
it should be used as a form of birth
control.
To quote steen "but abortion is also a
stopgap meassure to stop a pregnancy when
other methods have failed, so yes it
should be used as birth control."
what do you guys
think??? |
a potential childs life should never be
classed as a stopgap no termination is not
and should not be classed as a form of
birth control.
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steen
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 14:00pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | this was brought up in the
pregnancy forum and we decide to bring it
where it belonged.
Although I think abortion is wrong
(depending on the situation: medical,
rape, incest) I absolutely do not think
it should be used as a form of birth
control.
To quote steen "but abortion is also a
stopgap meassure to stop a pregnancy when
other methods have failed, so yes it
should be used as birth control."
what do you guys
think??? |
a potential childs life
should never be classed as a stopgap no
termination is not and should not be
classed as a form of birth
control. |
the potential is not
actual. Abortion is no different than
and post-conceptual contraception in that
sense. Yes, other methods are cheaper,
easier and safer, but when the reality of
the pregnancy is there, then that is a
moot point. At that point, abortion is
just another method for not giving birth,
no different than any other contraceptive
method. Great as backup.
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lil_blaze2004
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 14:07pm
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| steen
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | this was brought up in the
pregnancy forum and we decide to bring it
where it belonged.
Although I think abortion is wrong
(depending on the situation: medical,
rape, incest) I absolutely do not think
it should be used as a form of birth
control.
To quote steen "but abortion is also a
stopgap meassure to stop a pregnancy when
other methods have failed, so yes it
should be used as birth control."
what do you guys
think??? |
a potential childs life
should never be classed as a stopgap no
termination is not and should not be
classed as a form of birth
control. |
the potential is not
actual. Abortion is no different than
and post-conceptual contraception in that
sense. Yes, other methods are cheaper,
easier and safer, but when the reality of
the pregnancy is there, then that is a
moot point. At that point, abortion is
just another method for not giving birth,
no different than any other contraceptive
method. Great as
backup. |
birth control should be a preventative
measure not a terminating measure. Can
you imagine if this is what they taught in
schools. Not abstinence, condoms or the
pill but go and have sex with whoever and
then if you get pregnant just abort!
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steen
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 14:22pm
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | birth control should be a
preventative measure not a terminating
measure. |
birth control prevents
birth. That's all. And abortions
certainly prevents birth as much as a
condom does.
| Quote: | | can you imagine
if this is what they taught in schools.
Not abstinence, condoms or the pill but go
and have sex with whoever and then if you
get pregnant just
abort! |
you are not so silly as
trying to claim that I am for
abortion-only as birthcontrol, are you.
It is part of the tools we have available,
along with abstinence, condoms, oral
contraceptives, iud and whatnot. It is
rather silly to claim that only one method
should be taught. The only fools pushing
such are the abstinence-only liars.
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lil_blaze2004
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 14:30pm
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| steen
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | birth control should be a
preventative measure not a terminating
measure. |
birth control prevents
birth. That's all. And abortions
certainly prevents birth as much as a
condom does.
| Quote: | | can you imagine
if this is what they taught in schools.
Not abstinence, condoms or the pill but
go and have sex with whoever and then if
you get pregnant just
abort! |
you are not so silly as
trying to claim that I am for
abortion-only as birthcontrol, are you.
It is part of the tools we have available,
along with abstinence, condoms, oral
contraceptives, iud and whatnot. It is
rather silly to claim that only one method
should be taught. The only fools
pushing such are the abstinence-only
liars. |
no I don;t think it would be the only
method you would push but I do think that
abortion for birth control is totally and
utterly wrong.. As for abortions
preventing birth yes it does that, but I
am talking about preventing pregnancy not
birth.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-10-05 14:31pm
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Steen shouldnt birth control actualy stop
conception?
I don't see how you can class termination
as birth control myself.
Birth control: to stop conception.
Termination: to end a crisis pregnancy(key
word pregnancy)not to prevent conception.
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Posted: 02-10-05 14:58pm
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I don't think its right to not use bc, and
then get 8 abortions, thats not cool.
But, a woman still has the right to her
body, and its not my place to judge
anyone, im not god.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 02-10-05 15:04pm
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| kourtney08
wrote: | | i don't think its right to
not use bc, and then get 8 abortions,
thats not cool. But, a woman still has
the right to her body, and its not my
place to judge anyone, im not
god. |
yes but do you think abortion should be
used as birth control?
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-10-05 15:16pm
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I think abortion is either wrong or it
isn't. The reason behind it doesn't
change whether or not it is wrong.. The
same thing happens either way. I know
you all will think i'm shallow but I don't
care.. I just saw the worst marks on
somebody ever and I am not scarring my
body up just to give the kid up in the
end.. Especially when I don't feel
morally compelled to, and I will not do it
for anybody else's morals. Like I said..
Abortion is either wrong or it isn't...
The fetus aborted because of rape and the
fetus aborted because of whatever
"selfish" reason are no different and one
does not deserve.. Life or whatever more
than the other and the forth fetus isn't
any more special then the first.
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steen
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Re: Abortion As Birth Control
Posted: 02-10-05 15:45pm
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | no I don;t think it would be
the only method you would push but I do
think that abortion for birth control is
totally and utterly wrong.. As for
abortions preventing birth yes it does
that, but I am talking about preventing
pregnancy not
birth. |
so you are not talking
about birth control, then?
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steen
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Posted: 02-10-05 15:47pm
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| fishx
wrote: | steen shouldnt birth control
actualy stop conception?
I don't see how you can class termination
as birth control myself.
Birth control: to stop conception.
Termination: to end a crisis pregnancy(key
word pregnancy)not to prevent
conception. |
i guess we have a
difference of terminology.
Birth control: controlling and regulating
whether giving birth.
Contraception: preventing conception.
(hence, f.Ex. An iud is birth control but
not contraception)
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-10-05 15:58pm
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Ok fair point but what do you mean about
the iud?
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Posted: 02-10-05 19:02pm
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Quote:
posted: 02-11-05 2:24am post subject:
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abortion is not a form of birth control
nor is classified as soon on any medical
site, period. So steen you saying it is a
form is merely opinion, not fact
then why are we debating the issue of
whether or not abortion should be used as
birth control, if in fact it isn't?
I feel that condoms/and bc pills should
always be used if at all possible and if
pregnancy is not wanted. However,
condoms break, bc fails, etc. In those
situations to a person who physically
cannot carry a child without great health
risks or to those who just cannot and
don't want children...They tried their
best to prevent and now it is their option
to abort. Just because you don't want to
procreate doesn't mean you can't have sex.
I mean, there are married people who
don't want children as well as single
people who do not want them. This
doesn't mean that they should abstain
their whole lives. That is why we have
so many forms of birth control in the
first place.
And as far as carrying a fetus full term
and then giving it up for adoption, this
is not always a "solution." there are so
many children in the system without homes
already, and every baby that you add to
that lowers the chance of the older
children ever finding homes. What kind
of solution is that? Oh yeah, great for
the "baby" but what about the other
children? Does anyone ever think about
them?
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Posted: 02-10-05 19:44pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | ok fair point but what do
you mean about the
iud? |
the iud stops the
implantation of the fertilized blastocyst
but does not prevent the preceeding
conception. As such, while it is birth
control, it is not a contraceptive.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-11-05 06:44am
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| steen
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | ok fair point but what do
you mean about the
iud? |
the iud stops the
implantation of the fertilized blastocyst
but does not prevent the preceeding
conception. As such, while it is birth
control, it is not a
contraceptive. |
no caca oh crap i'll have to get mine
taken out.
I don't beleive that my doctor recomended
that as contraception.
Is he allowed to do that by law?
Is there an iud that is contraceptive not
birth control oh crap help my doctor has
made me go against all my personal
beleifs.
I wouldn't have had it fitted had I known
that the egg could still be fertilised
damn this country really needs better
contraception education
would you beleive my doctor even knows
that i'm pro life what an ass.
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Posted: 02-11-05 15:42pm
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Fishx that was the same reaction I had to
depo back when I was prolife.. I wanted
off immediatly.. But I was "talked" out
of it and now that i'm prochoice.. I
have no reason to get off it. Calm
down.. No matter what, you will expel
fertilized eggs if you have your period
before implantation occurs. Pregnancy
does not occur until implantation.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-11-05 15:45pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | fishx that was the same
reaction I had to depo back when I was
prolife.. I wanted off immediatly..
But I was "talked" out of it and now that
i'm prochoice.. I have no reason to get
off it. |
isn't it scarey that they can manufacture
abortiofenics as contraception?
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-11-05 15:49pm
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| fishx
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | fishx that was the same
reaction I had to depo back when I was
prolife.. I wanted off immediatly..
But I was "talked" out of it and now that
i'm prochoice.. I have no reason to get
off it. |
isn't it scarey that they can manufacture
abortiofenics as
contraception? |
it depends what side you are on. I never
thought about the difference between birth
control and contraception before steen
mentioned it but it makes since.
Abortion is literally another form of
birthcontrol, just a lil different.
Contraception are barrier methods and
"abortifacients" would be anythign that
aids in failure of implantation of an egg.
Contra meaning agaisnt.. And ception
as in beginning I guess. It makes sense.
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Posted: 02-12-05 14:14pm
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| fishx
wrote: | no health question oh crap
i'll have to get mine taken out.
I don't beleive that my doctor recomended
that as contraception.
Is he allowed to do that by law?
Is there an iud that is contraceptive not
birth control oh crap help my doctor has
made me go against all my personal
beleifs.
I wouldn't have had it fitted had I known
that the egg could still be fertilised
damn this country really needs better
contraception education
would you beleive my doctor even knows
that i'm pro life what an
ass. |
it seems that your doctor
was quite neglectful in the informnation
given you. Particularly if he knew you
were prolife. He really should have told
you this.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with your view
on sex-ed. If we improved this
regardless of the fundies yammerings, we
could cut back on the need for an
abortions quite substantially.
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