Nazi Eugenics And Pro Choice Eugenics Posted: 02-15-05 07:54am
T-4 was a forced euthanasia program that
targeted the mentally handicapped and the
physically disabled and deformed. The gas
chambers here became the model for the
death camps. The euthanasia program was
part of the larger nazi eugenics program
which evolved into 'the final solution'
campaign
we now call the nazi holocaust.
Now: the unborn child is often targeted
for death
if tests show that it may have a physical
or mental handicap.
The american eugenics program has no
central sponsor
but several big guns, including planned
parenthood,
naral (national abortion rights action
league and the national abortion
federation. British eugenics is alive and
well in the nhs.Planned parenthood founder
margaret sanger was a nazi sympathizer and
an ardent proponent of eugenics. She was
also known for her strong anti-black
sentiments and geared her eugenicists
efforts towards annihilating the black
race in america.
The combined forces of these individuals
and groups make up the 'pro-choice'
campaign, a thinly veiled 'final solution'
for the unwanted unborn child.
Dehumanization
then: to achieve the 'final solution of
the jewish question in europe', the nazis
long before had put into motion a process
to 'de-humanize' the jewish people. It
was argued that the jews were a sort of
'sub strata' of the human species and that
these 'non-humans' could be done away with
wholesale and without any moral
consequence.
Now: to achieve abortion on demand, a
deliberate campaign was set into motion to
de-humanize the unborn child. The
argument was made that the unborn child
was anything but human. It was
a 'zygote', 'blob of tissue', 'fetus',
'product of conception' etc. Etc.
It was argued that these 'non-humans'
could be done away with if one so chose,
and without any moral consequence.
Selection
then: the nazi ss and nazi doctors chose
who would live and who would die. Little
children, the infirm, the old, the weak
were inevitably sent to the gas. Within
hours, their remains were burned in ovens
or thrown into mass graves.
Now: dr's and mothers choose who will live
and who will die. Within hours, their
little remains will be incinerated, ground
up, or disposed of by some other
distasteful means.
Special action
then: the nazis used several methods of
eliminating their 'non-humans': gas,
torture, injection, etc.
Now: Dr. 's have perfected several
methods of eliminating
these 'non-humans': dismemberment,
suction, brain suction.
Resistance
then:
many untold numbers resisted hitler and
the third reich's attempt to rule europe
with an iron fist and eventually conquer
the world. They were among the first to
fight and resist hitler's 'final solution
of the jewish question in europe'.
They were viewed by hitler and the third
reich as enemies of the reich,
contemptible traitors
worthy of torture and death.
Now: activists resist pro-abortion group's
attempts to rule over the abortion issue
with an iron fist and
eventually crush all abortion resistance.
These modern day resisters continue to be
the first and
last line of defence for the unborn child.
They are viewed by all in the abortion
movement and
many in our government, our courts,
our churches and large segments of the
populace as
enemies of this present order,
contemptible traitors
to the cause of woman's liberation,
worthy of abuse, harassment, lawsuits and
arrest.
Resistance ii
then: men, women and even children
resisted the nazi's in many ways. The
resistance was as covert as silent prayers
said in secret places and as overt as
direct confrontation in the warsaw ghetto
uprising and revolts in the concentration
camps where the killing chambers were.
Now: men, women and even children resist
the abortion machine. Their resistance is
as covert as silent prayers said in secret
places and as overt as direct
confrontation at the
killing chambers. In cases of mid to late
term abortions,former abortion clinic
nurses and
former abortionists have stated that they
observed the unborn child resisting the
attempts of the abortionists attempts to
grab hold of a leg or arm with instruments
or to be poked with a needle. They have
witnessed this via ultra-sound imaging.
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FISHX
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Re: Nazi Eugenics And Pro Choice Eugenics Posted: 02-15-05 08:38am
izzy
wrote:
t-4 was a forced euthanasia
program that targeted the mentally
handicapped and the physically disabled
and deformed. The gas chambers here
became the model for the death camps.
The euthanasia program was part of the
larger nazi eugenics program which evolved
into 'the final solution' campaign
we now call the nazi holocaust.
Now: the unborn child is often targeted
for death
if tests show that it may have a physical
or mental handicap.
The american eugenics program has no
central sponsor
but several big guns, including planned
parenthood,
naral (national abortion rights action
league and the national abortion
federation. British eugenics is alive
and well in the nhs.Planned parenthood
founder margaret sanger was a nazi
sympathizer and an ardent proponent of
eugenics. She was also known for her
strong anti-black sentiments and geared
her eugenicists efforts towards
annihilating the black race in america.
The combined forces of these individuals
and groups make up the 'pro-choice'
campaign, a thinly veiled 'final solution'
for the unwanted unborn child.
Dehumanization
then: to achieve the 'final solution of
the jewish question in europe', the nazis
long before had put into motion a process
to 'de-humanize' the jewish people. It
was argued that the jews were a sort of
'sub strata' of the human species and that
these 'non-humans' could be done away with
wholesale and without any moral
consequence.
Now: to achieve abortion on demand, a
deliberate campaign was set into motion to
de-humanize the unborn child. The
argument was made that the unborn child
was anything but human. It was
a 'zygote', 'blob of tissue', 'fetus',
'product of conception' etc. Etc.
It was argued that these 'non-humans'
could be done away with if one so chose,
and without any moral consequence.
Selection
then: the nazi ss and nazi doctors chose
who would live and who would die. Little
children, the infirm, the old, the weak
were inevitably sent to the gas. Within
hours, their remains were burned in ovens
or thrown into mass graves.
Now: dr's and mothers choose who will live
and who will die. Within hours, their
little remains will be incinerated, ground
up, or disposed of by some other
distasteful means.
Special action
then: the nazis used several methods of
eliminating their 'non-humans': gas,
torture, injection, etc.
Now: Dr. 's have perfected several
methods of eliminating
these 'non-humans': dismemberment,
suction, brain suction.
Resistance
then:
many untold numbers resisted hitler and
the third reich's attempt to rule europe
with an iron fist and eventually conquer
the world. They were among the first to
fight and resist hitler's 'final solution
of the jewish question in europe'.
They were viewed by hitler and the third
reich as enemies of the reich,
contemptible traitors
worthy of torture and death.
Now: activists resist pro-abortion group's
attempts to rule over the abortion issue
with an iron fist and
eventually crush all abortion resistance.
These modern day resisters continue to be
the first and
last line of defence for the unborn child.
They are viewed by all in the abortion
movement and
many in our government, our courts,
our churches and large segments of the
populace as
enemies of this present order,
contemptible traitors
to the cause of woman's liberation,
worthy of abuse, harassment, lawsuits and
arrest.
Resistance ii
then: men, women and even children
resisted the nazi's in many ways. The
resistance was as covert as silent prayers
said in secret places and as overt as
direct confrontation in the warsaw ghetto
uprising and revolts in the concentration
camps where the killing chambers were.
Now: men, women and even children resist
the abortion machine. Their resistance
is as covert as silent prayers said in
secret places and as overt as direct
confrontation at the
killing chambers. In cases of mid to
late term abortions,former abortion clinic
nurses and
former abortionists have stated that they
observed the unborn child resisting the
attempts of the abortionists attempts to
grab hold of a leg or arm with instruments
or to be poked with a needle. They have
witnessed this via ultra-sound
imaging.
i can see where you are coming from and
what is and has happend is totaly wrong in
my view anyway(this is by no means fact
only my opinion)
but it is also wrong to compare it to the
holocaust and nazi's.
What happend to the jews; british service
men/women, and anyone else unlucky enough
to have experienced the atrocities of
being a prisoner of war is a disgrace to
humanity not to take anything away rom the
tragic conseguence of termination but they
can be in no way compared to the holocaust
.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 09:12am
I have given factual reasons and
historical business links as to how it
can, you have expressed a feeling with no
reasons why you feel that way, now I
believe that is wrong, to play down the
reality of abortion without reason
can you give me some reasons why as you
say
"the tragic conseguence of termination"
"can be in no way compared to the
holocaust"
why?
Take your use of word
termination,
it reeks of a similar word used to
describe the holocaust
extermination
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 09:21am
izzy
wrote:
i have given factual reasons
and historical business links as to how it
can, you have expressed a feeling with no
reasons why you feel that way, now I
believe that is wrong, to play down the
reality of abortion without reason
can you give me some reasons why as you
say
"the tragic conseguence of termination"
"can be in no way compared to the
holocaust"
why?
Take your use of word
termination,
it reeks of a similar word used to
describe the holocaust
extermination
no you get me wrong I am not trying to
play down termination (sorry I really
can't stand the other word) all i'm trying
to say is that to know you are going to be
killed and physicaly await the moment has
got to be ten times worse than not knowing
anything untill it happens sorry
conseguence is'nt the word i'm looking for
but I just can't seem to get the right
word. For instance for a mother to know
that her husband and children are going to
be killed and she can't stop it must be a
living hell in itself.
The actual act of termination is no better
nor no worse than extermination.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 09:56am
So let me get this right in your opinion
it is wrong to compare the eugenics of
america/ westerm societies to the eugenics
of nazi germany simply becuase people knew
they were going to die in nazi germany,
where in america the killing is done on
the unexpecting individuals in the womb,
who dont know its going to happen?
Your not saying the killing is right on
either count, just its wrong for that
reason to compare?
If that is what your saying, the fact the
jews, disabled etc were going to be killed
when they got to these camps and hospitals
was hidden from them and the general
populance. Some guessed, supposed but
did not know for sure.
Even then, the evil of eugenics is not in
the knowing or not knowing of ones fate
but the fact it is killing people, and its
not just the killing either but the fact
that both the holocaust of nazi germany
and the holocaust of america prevent many
others from being born.
A hitler wanted to wipe out the jewish
race, this would have been primeraly
achieved not by killing everyone of the
jews but by killing the jews it would
prevent the birth of many other jews, a
tidy form of birth control.
Planned parenthood was started by margaret
sanger a nazi sympathiser with the puropse
of wiping out america's black population
adolf hitler was a great admirer of m
sanger and was a argent reader of her
publications.
Margaret sanger wanted to wipe out the
simple minded people in society and let
the inteligent or as she called them
"genius'" flurish, this was one of her
main reasons for her support of birth
control and abortion... Who are the
simple minded people?
I am not, I know what abortion is!
The simple minded are those who are easily
mislead into the conclusion that abortion
is a human right.
Planned parenthood still target the black
and hispanic communities along with the
working under-educated classes.
The nazi's used propaganda to influence
peoples perspectives on their ideologies,
the same use of propaganda is used
throughout the media today.
The next time you use contraception or if
the reader is contemplating or has had an
abortion, maybe you should consider the
fact the planned parenthood want to stop
you from reproducing because your not
inteligent/genius enough for society, you
yourself are less than human to them.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 10:46am
"...Abortion is a necessary evil that we
must accept out of respect for life."
- Dr. Ley, nazi racial hygienist, on
having "quality," "planned" children, at a
meeting on june 15, 1937 with nazi ss
head, heinrich himmler.
"germans can not have abortions, but jews
can, since this can only benefit the
german people."
-nazi government announcement through the
press, 1938.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 10:55am
izzy
wrote:
"...Abortion is a necessary
evil that we must accept out of respect
for life."
- Dr. Ley, nazi racial hygienist, on
having "quality," "planned" children, at a
meeting on june 15, 1937 with nazi ss
head, heinrich himmler.
"germans can not have abortions, but jews
can, since this can only benefit the
german people."
-nazi government announcement through the
press, 1938.
then aren't we lucky that hitler commited
suicide I really could not live under a
nazi regime they have no morals .
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:08am
Is that tongue in cheek?
It seem's as though it is, becuase how
many times do you hear words similar or to
the effect of the following
abortion is a necessary right that must
accept out of respect for the lifestyle of
the mother
or
"abortion is a necessary right that must
accept out of respect for the quality of
life of the baby"
now compare to the nazi doctor.
"abortion is a necessary evil that we must
accept out of respect for life"
*eerie... Shivers up spine*
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:15am
No I was seriouse when I said i'm glad
hitler commited suicide.
I hear them sentences to many times once
is to many times.
The mothers lifestyle should be neither
here or there the mothers lifestyle should
not feature in termination.
How can people be 100% sure what the
babies life would be like before birth.
How can respect for life and termination
be honestly used in the same line?
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:21am
I think what the doc was saying is
abortion is required to irradicate those
whom the nazis had determined undesirabe
who could infect life with their impure
genes, hence ayrian people were not
allowed to abort and others were sometimes
even required to abort
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:26am
izzy
wrote:
i think what the doc was
saying is
abortion is required to irradicate those
whom the nazis had determined undesirabe
who could infect life with their impure
genes
that is so wrong it's a form of ethnic
cleansing is'nt it ?
I find it hard to stomache that one human
could treat another human like this
regardless of age, race creed or colour.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:31am
Its reminicent of the foundation m sanger
created, planned parenthood to irradicate
ethnic minorities and the "simple minded"
even the topic the nazi doctor was talking
on...
"having quality "planned" children"
also reeks of pro choice ideologies.
Planned children is now planned
parenthood, different terminolgy same
ethos
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:39am
What makes a planned chid any better
quality than a unplanned child is really
the big question we should be asking pro
choice.
Why is planned parenthood better than
unplanned are they saying if the pregnancy
is unplanned and allowed to continue that
the baby when it is born is some way
inferior to a planned baby? Or are they
saying planned parent hood is somehow more
rewarding than unplanned parenthood?
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:50am
Good questions!
I think other good questions (although if
we take into account the reason m sanger
created pp for and that she is still
highly esteemed by the organisation) would
be
who is doing the planning, the parents or
the planned parenthood organisation?
Who does the organisation deem suitable to
be parents?
Certainly not ethnic minorities or the
working under-educated classes as they
target for abortion and thus deemed
unsuitable.
Could that be classed as a form of ethnic
cleansing?
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 11:54am
izzy
wrote:
good questions!
I think other good questions (although if
we take into account the reason m sanger
created pp for and that she is still
highly esteemed by the organisation) would
be
who is doing the planning, the parents or
the planned parenthood organisation?
Who does the organisation deem suitable to
be parents?
Certainly not ethnic minorities or the
working under-educated classes as they
target for abortion and thus deemed
unsuitable.
Could that be classed as a form of ethnic
cleansing?
great questions I direct izzy's above
questions to any one pro choice .
If you look at it like that then yes it is
a form of ethnic cleansing.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-15-05 12:50pm
There are simularities between the nazi
eugenics programme and the american
eugenics programme. There is a link
between hitlers ideologies and sanger and
well established link between sanger and
planned parenthood who have never
denounced her ideologies in fact alan
gutmacher former head of planned
parenthood said he was proud to be
following on the road sanger had mapped
out.
What evidence do we have that planned
parenthood isnt exersising a underhanded
form of ethnic cleansing? And for what
reasons should we trust their answers?
It may not be forced ethnic cleansing but
is it manipulated ethnic cleansing?
I think the only reason why we dont
automatically think of it this way is
because we automatically think what the
nazis did could never be repeated,
especially not in the societies which
fought against it but the american
eugenics programme was being promoted
before the nazis adopted it... Like the
addage goes.... History repeats itself.
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:17am
"government pregnancy-reduction plan is
about stopping lower classes breeding,
claims expert"
the government's plan to cut teenage
pregnancy in poor areas 'has elements of
eugenics', according to a leading
sociologist.
Frank furedi, professor of sociology at
the university of kent at canterbury and
the author of the bestseller paranoid
parenting, says new labour and
conservative governments' 'obsession' with
reducing teenage pregnancy is driven by a
desire to prevent the lower social classes
from breeding.
'our government's policy on teenage
pregnancy has a eugenic element -- it is
really about preventing working-class
girls from having children.
Middle-class girls from nice families do
not have kids when they are teenagers.
Teenage pregnancy can be seen as
working-class girls having kids and
depending on the welfare state.
'there is a class element and this is the
basis of eugenics -- different fertility
policies for different classes. They
think the wrong type of people are
breeding.'
'i am very unhappy with the way
contraceptive implants are used,'
research into the contraceptive injection
depo-provera shows that it is given
primarily to single, unemployed women. A
study carried out in north manchester
showed that 89% of women given injections
were single, 61% were full-time mothers
and 31% were unemployed.
Dr rosemary barrett, a gp at rutherglen
health centre in glasgow, claimed the
injection was being used as a cheap way of
preventing deprived single mothers from
falling pregnant. 'the contraceptive
injection is really marketed at poor
areas, and it is given increasingly to
younger women,' she said. 'i am noticing
that more and more teenagers are being put
on it.
Furedi was speaking ahead of a debate in
london yesterday about eugenics, organised
by the institute of ideas. In a keynote
address he claimed the term 'eugenics' was
unjustifiably associated with screening
for genetic defects by critics who are
concerned about our attitudes towards
disability.
27 april 2003
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Izzy
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:22am
"selling sterilisation to addicts"
bbc news online
Izzy, first let me say that i've read in
other places much of what you posted and
it is right on the money... Well, ha ha,
the only thing not mentioned *yet* is the
multi-million dollar annual income of
planned parenthood.
Second, I need to express my absolute
shock that steen hasn't seen fit to come
along and blast you for being an
emotional, morally superior-feeling, bible
thumping, anti-woman whacko yet. It's
quite shocking considering that's been his
path before when someone dares mention the
holocaust and abortion in the same
context.
Must be nice to know that two weeks has
gone by and steen still hasn't found a way
to refute you without making himself out
to look like... Well, we all know what he
is and only he can do it best :-)
good job, izzy!
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Posted: 03-03-05 16:25pm
Izzy, first let me say that i've read in
other places much of what you posted and
it is right on the money... Well, ha ha,
the only thing not mentioned *yet* is the
multi-million dollar annual income of
planned parenthood.
Second, I need to express my absolute
shock that steen hasn't seen fit to come
along and blast you for being an
emotional, morally superior-feeling, bible
thumping, anti-woman whacko yet. It's
quite shocking considering that's been his
path before when someone dares mention the
holocaust and abortion in the same
context.
Must be nice to know that two weeks has
gone by and steen still hasn't found a way
to refute you without making himself out
to look like... Well, we all know what he
is and only he can do it best :-)