A man has syphilis and his wife has
tuberculosis. They have had four
children: one has died, the other three
have what is considered to be a terminal
illness. The mother is pregnant. Would
you recommend abortion?
If you did, beethoven has just died.....
I just thought that this was an
interesting fact. I never realized that
he was born under such conditions.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 17:56pm
No offense brianbaby but pro choice will
probably give you loads for that one i've
seen it done lol. .
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 02-15-05 17:59pm
Don't worry I know....I just thought it
was interesting and wanted to share it
with other people. I really didn't know
where, so I figured the safest place was
the abortion debate forum.....I really
don't want to debate about it, I just
wanted to share it with people...
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-15-05 18:02pm
Lol bet it ends up being debated?
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 02-15-05 18:02pm
Oh, ya it will!! :)
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steen
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Re: Interesting... Posted: 02-15-05 18:39pm
brianbaby
wrote:
a man has syphilis and his
wife has tuberculosis. They have had
four children: one has died, the other
three have what is considered to be a
terminal illness. The mother is
pregnant. Would you recommend
abortion?
If you did, beethoven has just died.....
I just thought that this was an
interesting fact. I never realized that
he was born under such
conditions.
and since prochoice is
not about recommending anything but rather
for the woman to make her own decision,
the prochoice position is still that it
should be up to beethooven's mom whether
she aborts or not. She does not have a
duty to anybody to give birth to him,
neither can society impose their will to
force her to give birth.
And how about the woman married to a
drunken wifebeater, should she abort? If
you said no, you just caused hitler's
birth.
See, isn't this fun? We can play such
wnat-if games all day long <snicker>
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BrianBaby
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Re: Interesting... Posted: 02-15-05 20:53pm
Double post
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BrianBaby
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Re: Interesting... Posted: 02-15-05 20:53pm
steen
wrote:
and how about the woman married to a
drunken wifebeater, should she abort?
If you said no, you just caused hitler's
birth.
oh wait, I thought it wasn't about
"reccomending" what a woman should
do.....A little hyprocritical there.....
steen
wrote:
see, isn't this fun? We can play such
wnat-if games all day long
<snicker>
i think your laughing and poking fun at
what other people take very seriously is
very rude and unsettling....I wasn't
trying to play a what if game with you
steen. I don't think it's about games.
Obvioulsy you disagree...I refuse to try
and "debate" with someone who will simply
laugh at what other people are passionate
about
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sandyallen
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Posted: 02-15-05 22:18pm
Brianbaby, you brought up a fact and steen
brought up a fact and this is a debate
forum, what do you expect, he gave his
opinion, we realize that you do not like
steen, you want him off of here and the
pregnancy forum, yes, I saw the poll, he
has said good points there, just because
you do not like his opinions and
statements and he is different, just like
most of us here you are acting rude and
unsettling, so please do not judge others
when you are acting as you are.
When I do not like the way someone posts,
I try to reason with the and then try to
shine them on, I do not get in my little
group and belittle myself more.
Sandy
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sandyallen
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Posted: 02-15-05 22:27pm
I believe it is a females choice and we
should not judge them and try to help them
and try to put our feelings aside, even if
it is just by listening to them. I have
been in abusive relationships before, I
understand where they are coming from.
Sincerely,
sandy
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steen
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Re: Interesting... Posted: 02-15-05 22:51pm
brianbaby
wrote:
steen
wrote:
and how about the woman
married to a drunken wifebeater, should
she abort? If you said no, you just
caused hitler's
birth.
oh wait, I thought it
wasn't about "reccomending" what a woman
should do.....A little hyprocritical
there.....
oh, wait, wasn't this
just paraphrasing your original question?
Duh!!!! See, I try to get down to your
level, looking at whether prolife want to
recommend the woman abort or not, just as
you were talking about recommending
beethoven's abortion.
And then, to my surprise, you know all
about the difference between a choice and
a recommendation or wanting somebody to
abort. So every time you write about
making a woman do something or recommend
her doing something, you know that you are
outright dishonest when you seek to
reiterate or paraphrase the prochoice
position!
Wow, that's quite the admission of
dishonesty that you let slip there. But
nah, you probably have no sense of guilt
or shame. That would be unusual in
prolifers, you know, being that you are
absent any decency, so I wouldn't be
surprised.
Quote:
steen
wrote:
see, isn't this fun?
We can play such wnat-if games all day
long
<snicker>
i think your laughing
and poking fun at what other people take
very seriously is very rude and
unsettling....
taking serious? The
lies and deceptions in you that I just
exposed? Yes, no doubt you take your
lying serious. Prolifers usually do.
Now, was there anyt other fight you wanted
to pick? Any other stupid dishonest
tricks you wanted to pull here?
Or are you done with your tricks and
actually willing to deal with the issues
without the rampant prolife dishonesty you
have been shown to engage in?
Quote:
i wasn't trying
to play a what if game with you
steen.
rightoooo! Yes, it
wasn't fun, you were dead serious about
your deceptions and trickery. Yes, I
have no doubt about that.
Next time you want to play your dishonest
tricks, please drop the "outrage" when
caught. It just further underscores your
dishonesty and makes any idea of serious
interaction with you so much more
repugnant.
Quote:
i don't think
it's about
games.
ah yes. You are all
about deception and dishonesty instead.
Yup, sure, no surprise there.
Quote:
obvioulsy you
disagree...I refuse to try and "debate"
with someone who will simply laugh at what
other people are passionate
about
ah, so when you are
passionate about lying and deceptions, we
should congratulate you on your stinking
behavior? Silly me for not seeing that,
gosh, what was I thinking.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 02-16-05 00:50am
sandyallen
wrote:
brianbaby, you brought up a
fact and steen brought up a fact and this
is a debate forum, what do you expect, he
gave his
opinion,
yes and I gave
mine.....
sandyallen
wrote:
we realize that you do not
like steen, you want him off of here and
the pregnancy forum, yes, I saw the
poll,
I don't belive the pregnancy forum has
anything to do with it, but since you
brought it up.....Why don't we get the
facts straight...I never said anything
about not wanting him "here", I
specifically said the pregnancy
forum...Please don't mis represent my
words.....
sandyallen
wrote:
he has said good points
there,
your opinion.
sandyallen
wrote:
just because you do not like
his opinions and statements and he is
different, just like most of us here you
are acting rude and unsettling, so please
do not judge others when you are acting as
you are.
this is totoally
irrelevant and has nothing to do with the
thread I started. I respect people's
opinions, but not steen belittling other
people. He harrasses people and created
drama. Period. So please point out
to me, where I was ever "rude" and
"unsettling" before this post?? I
thought people were allowed to have
differences of opinions??? Why can't I
say what I thought about him laughing at
my post?? Hmm??
sandyallen
wrote:
when I do not like the way
someone posts, I try to reason with the
and then try to shine them on, I do not
get in my little group and belittle myself
more.
Sandy
congratulations??
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 02-16-05 00:52am
Steen, where did I lie?
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2ferano
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Posted: 02-16-05 01:00am
I don't know of anyone who would recommend
an abortion. Unless it is the woman's
physician and the pregnancy is actually
killing her, but even then I doubt anyone
would "recommend" it, maybe just offer it
as a choice.
Many people are born under unstable
unconditions. But it is ultimately the
woman's choice as to whether she wants to
risk her own life or not.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 02-16-05 07:53am
hotasfrick
wrote:
i don't know of anyone who
would recommend an abortion. Unless it
is the woman's physician and the pregnancy
is actually killing her, but even then I
doubt anyone would "recommend" it, maybe
just offer it as a choice.
Many people are born under unstable
unconditions. But it is ultimately the
woman's choice as to whether she wants to
risk her own life or
not.
i agree....Maybe the word "reccomend could
be changed to "suggest" or something....
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steen
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:33am
brianbaby
wrote:
hotasfrick
wrote:
i don't know of anyone who
would recommend an abortion. Unless it
is the woman's physician and the pregnancy
is actually killing her, but even then I
doubt anyone would "recommend" it, maybe
just offer it as a choice.
Many people are born under unstable
unconditions. But it is ultimately the
woman's choice as to whether she wants to
risk her own life or
not.
i agree....Maybe the word "reccomend could
be changed to "suggest" or
something....
how about "allow"?
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 02-18-05 12:33pm
"allow".....I don't know....I guess if you
think that that word would work better
there it could, but i'm not really sure..
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steen
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Posted: 02-18-05 13:11pm
Really easy. She is allowed to have an
abortion, but we never recommed or say
that she should. Its is her choice, we
just make sure she has all choices
available.
