Actualy my stance is not political I don't
do politics brain has to work to hard for
that.
My stance is compasion for another human
being.
It is made moraly and emotionaly but means
no less for that.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-06-05 00:35am
Sorry, I didn't go through and read all on
this, but I did read the first few posts
after my last one.
The one I think fish posted it where two
doctors said that terri's condition wasn't
consistant with a heart attack from
anorexia...Yes, but there are even more
doctors who state that it is.
Secondly, her being abused by her husband
is all heresay and is probably made up by
her parents to keep her on life support.
Thirdly, the videotapes and pictures shown
all over the place of terri are from over
12years ago! None show her most recent
condition.
And, steen is right in stating that the
last thing a person with anorexia wants is
there picture and videotapes of themselves
flashed internationally on a constant
basis.
It is said by medical professionals that
when your body is dying and knows it is
dying it does not feel the pain from
starvation. Now, if you or I didn't eat
for even a day or two we would get the
hunger pains and such, but that is because
we are not dying already.
I don't think it is right to just remove a
feeding tube from a dying person, but
there ought to be a better way to ease
them into the other side.
And, I don't believe that the parents
should have the say. (and as you can see
the government rightfully ruled the same
way). When marrying, you are trusting
that person with your secrets, dreams and
wishes. They are the person who knows
you better than anyone. Not your
parents. And, if you end up in a
situation of abuse, then go and get a
living will made leaving your parents with
those decisions.
It is true that I don't know how terri
felt or what she wished for. But,
neither does anyone else. All we know is
what her husband says terri told him and
legally that is binding. If this isn't
what she wanted then I am very sorry about
that too, but it is none of our business!
This never should have gone to supreme
court, been on the news constantly or
became a worldwide issue. God rest her
soul, I do believe that is the last thing
she would have wanted!
And terri's family did see her the day
that she died. They were kicked out of
her room because they were only there to
cause problems. I would have kicked them
out also if I were in terri's husband's
situation.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-07-05 16:11pm
No parent actually want to see there
children pass on before they do, a lot of
parents get in denial at this point and
always feel their daughter or son will get
better, it can be difficult to allow your
children to pass on.
Their are a lot of times that the living
will can be fought, it sometimes takes
just one family member to do this.
I do hope that terri's spouse comes out
clean on this, otherwise he will ruin it
for a lot of other spouses, as they will
have no right under these circumstances
and more rights will be taken away. It
upsets me though because this will sure
make more attorney's richer.
When you are pre-death or a hospice
patient, the last thing on your mind is
food as your system is shutting down, you
want to say goodbye, be in peace and be
kept comfortable, that is why pure
morphine is used, not only for the pain
but also for the anxiety, the morphine
helps people go to the other side
comfortably. I have even seen people
hallucinate(sp) and go back to a good time
in their lives. This is why I have said
that death can be a unique experience.
Look at the feeding tube, it did nothing
for the pope.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-07-05 23:21pm
Yes, a living will can be contested with
only one family member which is a bunch of
bull! It is still better to have it
though than to not have it.
Had the courts ruled in favor of terri's
parents then living wills would have been
of no use. That is when one member could
contest and keep you alive against your
will. But, since the courts ruled the
way that they did, everything is still the
same. It can be contested and hopefully
eventually you would get what you wanted
to begin with. Let's just hope that it
doesn't take 15 years like it did for
terri.
I understand it is hard to let your child
go, but to not honor your child's wishes
and keep them "alive" for 15 years is
beyond selfish. That is just wrong.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-08-05 10:49am
jlee77
wrote:
yup, that's what i'm saying.
I'm not "devaluing" marriage. Not in
the least. I am married and I take that
seriously and treasure it. But I would
rather my parents make the decision for
me. They gave birth to me, raised me,
made me who I am and have been there since
minute 1. It's just the way I feel.
Just my opinion. Don't assume that I
devalue marriage because of that.
:roll:
yes, you are. You are
saying that the one you chose to share
your life with is only second-best. You
are saying that your marriage wows are
second to your parents.
Does your spouse know that your marriage
is less important than your parents?
That you are closer to them than to him?
That even after many years of you spending
more time with him than with your parents,
they still know you better than he does?
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 04-08-05 11:00am
Steen get a grip man of course you are
always going to feel closer to the one who
gave you life that doesn't mean you love
your spouse any less just in a different
way. :roll:
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-08-05 18:37pm
fishx
wrote:
steen get a grip man of
course you are always going to feel closer
to the one who gave you
life
not "of course." your
spouse is the one person that you chose.
How can that not be the closest one in
your life?
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-09-05 02:51am
If you girls feel this way, then when you
make your living will you can name your
parents as your guardian and decision
makers in case you end up in a situation
such as terri's. Your husband's (in
american anyway) would most likely need to
sign, just so there aren't problems
later.
But, not everyone puts their parents
before their spouse. Even in the bible
it says that when you marry you leave your
previous family behind and your spouse is
now you number one. Of course, not
everyone does that (actually not very many
people at all do that!Lol) but some still
do.
I personally wouldn't marry anyone whom I
didn't trust to make those decisions for
me. I love my parents dearly,don't get
me wrong and I trust them to make those
decisions for me, but should I ever marry
it would be to a man whom is on the same
level or a higher level than them. If I
didn't trust him to be my guardian, and
vice versa then the marriage would
definately never take place!
I just don't understand why it is such a
big deal that the love of your life is in
charge of your welfare. It makes perfect
sense to me!
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-09-05 04:01am
steen
wrote:
fishx
wrote:
steen get a grip man of
course you are always going to feel closer
to the one who gave you
life
not "of course." your
spouse is the one person that you chose.
How can that not be the closest one in
your life?
try this steen did your wife give you
life,no your mother did,did your spouse
nuture you through all your 18 years of
illnesses and school,no your parents
did,so how can you say that your spouse
should be closer than parents,what is
closer than blood steen,i have been
married for nearly ten years now and
believe me my father still knows me better
than fish does,he can tell what I am going
to do in any given situation,yes fish can
finish my sentences or even say the same
thing at the same time,but my father would
have known what I was going to say and say
it for me,i am really close to my father
he gave up most of his youth to bring me
and my brothers up,he worked hard and long
to give us things and for that I will love
my father above all others all time.My
children love thier mother more than
anyone else,except one who loves me more
lol he is my little man,parents make
sacrifice after sacrifice for thier
children during thier up bringing or the
real parents do and that is why in my mind
parents will,untill they pass on,be closer
than a spouse.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-09-05 09:42am
Well, it simply sounds extremely unusual.
I am almost certain that if you got a
representative poll most places in the
western world, people would be closer to
their spouse than to the rest of their
family.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-09-05 10:08am
steen
wrote:
well, it simply sounds
extremely unusual. I am almost certain
that if you got a representative poll most
places in the western world, people would
be closer to their spouse than to the rest
of their
family.
i take it you are in no way close to your
own parents steen,i cannot see what is
unusual to be close to parents,what part
do you find unusual steen?
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-09-05 12:32pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
well, it simply sounds
extremely unusual. I am almost certain
that if you got a representative poll most
places in the western world, people would
be closer to their spouse than to the rest
of their
family.
i take it you are in no
way close to your own parents
steen,
and you are, of course,
wrong. I am very close to my parents.
But I am even more close to my wife. Why
are you trying to imply otherwise? Is
that more of that rampant prolife habit of
lying all the time?
Quote:
tr>
i cannot see what
is unusual to be close to parents,what
part do you find unusual
steen?
nothing at all. I never
claimed what you are implying, liar.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-09-05 14:41pm
Your parents may not even be around when
your time comes, along with your spouse,
make sure that you have some back-up and
that you can trust them and they
understand and feel pretty much the same
as you, because if the do not, they might
have second thoughts when it comes to
being your time.
Sincerely,
sandy
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-09-05 16:39pm
steen
wrote:
[well, it simply sounds
extremely unusual.
[.
grow up steen here is what you replied to
my post about my parents so how can I be
lying when I ask you what you find
unusual,stop trying to make me out to be a
liar steen you are not doing a very good
job of it.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-21-05 16:02pm
I'm not married so maybe I am wrong in the
way I am thinking. See, I am close with
my parents, and yes, they gave me life
etc. But, if I am ever going to get
married it will be because I love that
person more than anyone else on this
earth, which is how I was raised it should
be. And he would be who I share my hopes
and dreams with and he would be the one to
know my wishes in such instances. Now,
my parents are the ones who would take
care of it if I was in such a situation.
But, there will come a day when that has
to change, if I don't voluntarily change
it before hand. I don't know. That's
just how I feel. But saying america is
f-ed up because this is the way it works
isn't right at all. In entering a
marriage if you want it the other way, all
you have to do is legally document it.
That's not so hard right? Apparently
terri didn't find it necessary, so
therefore the government just had to trust
that her husband is the one who knows her
wishes. That's just the way the law
works. I mean what if her parents
weren't alive? Then it would have to be
her husband to make the decision. I
dunno. I'm rambling.