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FISHX

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Posted: 03-30-05 09:49am

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FISHX

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Posted: 04-05-05 04:45am

Actualy my stance is not political I don't do politics brain has to work to hard for that.
My stance is compasion for another human being.
It is made moraly and emotionaly but means no less for that.
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2ferano

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Posted: 04-06-05 00:35am

Sorry, I didn't go through and read all on this, but I did read the first few posts after my last one.

The one I think fish posted it where two doctors said that terri's condition wasn't consistant with a heart attack from anorexia...Yes, but there are even more doctors who state that it is.
Secondly, her being abused by her husband is all heresay and is probably made up by her parents to keep her on life support.
Thirdly, the videotapes and pictures shown all over the place of terri are from over 12years ago! None show her most recent condition.
And, steen is right in stating that the last thing a person with anorexia wants is there picture and videotapes of themselves flashed internationally on a constant basis.
It is said by medical professionals that when your body is dying and knows it is dying it does not feel the pain from starvation. Now, if you or I didn't eat for even a day or two we would get the hunger pains and such, but that is because we are not dying already.
I don't think it is right to just remove a feeding tube from a dying person, but there ought to be a better way to ease them into the other side.

And, I don't believe that the parents should have the say. (and as you can see the government rightfully ruled the same way). When marrying, you are trusting that person with your secrets, dreams and wishes. They are the person who knows you better than anyone. Not your parents. And, if you end up in a situation of abuse, then go and get a living will made leaving your parents with those decisions.

It is true that I don't know how terri felt or what she wished for. But, neither does anyone else. All we know is what her husband says terri told him and legally that is binding. If this isn't what she wanted then I am very sorry about that too, but it is none of our business! This never should have gone to supreme court, been on the news constantly or became a worldwide issue. God rest her soul, I do believe that is the last thing she would have wanted!
And terri's family did see her the day that she died. They were kicked out of her room because they were only there to cause problems. I would have kicked them out also if I were in terri's husband's situation.
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sandyallen

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Posted: 04-07-05 16:11pm

No parent actually want to see there children pass on before they do, a lot of parents get in denial at this point and always feel their daughter or son will get better, it can be difficult to allow your children to pass on.
Their are a lot of times that the living will can be fought, it sometimes takes just one family member to do this.
I do hope that terri's spouse comes out clean on this, otherwise he will ruin it for a lot of other spouses, as they will have no right under these circumstances and more rights will be taken away. It upsets me though because this will sure make more attorney's richer.
When you are pre-death or a hospice patient, the last thing on your mind is food as your system is shutting down, you want to say goodbye, be in peace and be kept comfortable, that is why pure morphine is used, not only for the pain but also for the anxiety, the morphine helps people go to the other side comfortably. I have even seen people hallucinate(sp) and go back to a good time in their lives. This is why I have said that death can be a unique experience. Look at the feeding tube, it did nothing for the pope.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano

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Posted: 04-07-05 23:21pm

Yes, a living will can be contested with only one family member which is a bunch of bull! It is still better to have it though than to not have it.
Had the courts ruled in favor of terri's parents then living wills would have been of no use. That is when one member could contest and keep you alive against your will. But, since the courts ruled the way that they did, everything is still the same. It can be contested and hopefully eventually you would get what you wanted to begin with. Let's just hope that it doesn't take 15 years like it did for terri.
I understand it is hard to let your child go, but to not honor your child's wishes and keep them "alive" for 15 years is beyond selfish. That is just wrong.
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steen

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Posted: 04-08-05 10:49am

jlee77 wrote:
yup, that's what i'm saying. I'm not "devaluing" marriage. Not in the least. I am married and I take that seriously and treasure it. But I would rather my parents make the decision for me. They gave birth to me, raised me, made me who I am and have been there since minute 1. It's just the way I feel. Just my opinion. Don't assume that I devalue marriage because of that. :roll:
yes, you are. You are saying that the one you chose to share your life with is only second-best. You are saying that your marriage wows are second to your parents.

Does your spouse know that your marriage is less important than your parents? That you are closer to them than to him? That even after many years of you spending more time with him than with your parents, they still know you better than he does?
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FISHX

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Posted: 04-08-05 11:00am

Steen get a grip man of course you are always going to feel closer to the one who gave you life that doesn't mean you love your spouse any less just in a different way. :roll:
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steen

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Posted: 04-08-05 18:37pm

fishx wrote:
steen get a grip man of course you are always going to feel closer to the one who gave you life
not "of course." your spouse is the one person that you chose. How can that not be the closest one in your life?
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2ferano

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Posted: 04-09-05 02:51am

If you girls feel this way, then when you make your living will you can name your parents as your guardian and decision makers in case you end up in a situation such as terri's. Your husband's (in american anyway) would most likely need to sign, just so there aren't problems later.
But, not everyone puts their parents before their spouse. Even in the bible it says that when you marry you leave your previous family behind and your spouse is now you number one. Of course, not everyone does that (actually not very many people at all do that!Lol) but some still do.
I personally wouldn't marry anyone whom I didn't trust to make those decisions for me. I love my parents dearly,don't get me wrong and I trust them to make those decisions for me, but should I ever marry it would be to a man whom is on the same level or a higher level than them. If I didn't trust him to be my guardian, and vice versa then the marriage would definately never take place!
I just don't understand why it is such a big deal that the love of your life is in charge of your welfare. It makes perfect sense to me!
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foreverblue

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Posted: 04-09-05 04:01am

steen wrote:
fishx wrote:
steen get a grip man of course you are always going to feel closer to the one who gave you life
not "of course." your spouse is the one person that you chose. How can that not be the closest one in your life?



try this steen did your wife give you life,no your mother did,did your spouse nuture you through all your 18 years of illnesses and school,no your parents did,so how can you say that your spouse should be closer than parents,what is closer than blood steen,i have been married for nearly ten years now and believe me my father still knows me better than fish does,he can tell what I am going to do in any given situation,yes fish can finish my sentences or even say the same thing at the same time,but my father would have known what I was going to say and say it for me,i am really close to my father he gave up most of his youth to bring me and my brothers up,he worked hard and long to give us things and for that I will love my father above all others all time.My children love thier mother more than anyone else,except one who loves me more lol he is my little man,parents make sacrifice after sacrifice for thier children during thier up bringing or the real parents do and that is why in my mind parents will,untill they pass on,be closer than a spouse.
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steen

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Posted: 04-09-05 09:42am

Well, it simply sounds extremely unusual. I am almost certain that if you got a representative poll most places in the western world, people would be closer to their spouse than to the rest of their family.
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foreverblue

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Posted: 04-09-05 10:08am

steen wrote:
well, it simply sounds extremely unusual. I am almost certain that if you got a representative poll most places in the western world, people would be closer to their spouse than to the rest of their family.


i take it you are in no way close to your own parents steen,i cannot see what is unusual to be close to parents,what part do you find unusual steen?
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steen

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Posted: 04-09-05 12:32pm

foreverblue wrote:
steen wrote:
well, it simply sounds extremely unusual. I am almost certain that if you got a representative poll most places in the western world, people would be closer to their spouse than to the rest of their family.
i take it you are in no way close to your own parents steen,
and you are, of course, wrong. I am very close to my parents. But I am even more close to my wife. Why are you trying to imply otherwise? Is that more of that rampant prolife habit of lying all the time?
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i cannot see what is unusual to be close to parents,what part do you find unusual steen?
nothing at all. I never claimed what you are implying, liar.
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sandyallen

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Posted: 04-09-05 14:41pm

Your parents may not even be around when your time comes, along with your spouse, make sure that you have some back-up and that you can trust them and they understand and feel pretty much the same as you, because if the do not, they might have second thoughts when it comes to being your time.
Sincerely,
sandy
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foreverblue

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Posted: 04-09-05 16:39pm

steen wrote:
[well, it simply sounds extremely unusual.
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grow up steen here is what you replied to my post about my parents so how can I be lying when I ask you what you find unusual,stop trying to make me out to be a liar steen you are not doing a very good job of it.
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2ferano

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Posted: 04-21-05 16:02pm

I'm not married so maybe I am wrong in the way I am thinking. See, I am close with my parents, and yes, they gave me life etc. But, if I am ever going to get married it will be because I love that person more than anyone else on this earth, which is how I was raised it should be. And he would be who I share my hopes and dreams with and he would be the one to know my wishes in such instances. Now, my parents are the ones who would take care of it if I was in such a situation. But, there will come a day when that has to change, if I don't voluntarily change it before hand. I don't know. That's just how I feel. But saying america is f-ed up because this is the way it works isn't right at all. In entering a marriage if you want it the other way, all you have to do is legally document it. That's not so hard right? Apparently terri didn't find it necessary, so therefore the government just had to trust that her husband is the one who knows her wishes. That's just the way the law works. I mean what if her parents weren't alive? Then it would have to be her husband to make the decision. I dunno. I'm rambling.
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