Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Posted: 04-08-05 01:36am
She was not brain dead, she was brain
damaged.
She was starved and dehydrated to death by
a court order.
That's the fact of the matter.
I obviously have no desire to live in the
state she was in before she died, but I am
extremely uncomfortable with how she died.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-08-05 11:33am
Actually, yes I do feel I have the right.
I've been gone for awhile, i've came back
to argue and be civil. If all you're
going to do is bring up the past, then
please don't respond to me.
Yet again, notice everyone how jilee of
the bat responded to me?
Lets please not start this obsession
again. Because, i'll start being a health
forum again, and yes, I will start talking
about that little son of yours.
But, im trying to come here and be mature
about this. You obviously are still the
same.
I didn't respond to you, I didn't confront
you, I wasn't talking to you. So why'd
you feel the need to respond to me?
Exactly. Think about it?
You like to create, stir up, and cause
drama.
Im not here for that. Im here for a
mature debate, with mature people. I
already know you can't handle that. So
please, don't respond to me. Thanks.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-08-05 11:48am
kourtney08
wrote:
actually, yes I do feel I
have the right. I've been gone for
awhile, i've came back to argue and be
civil. If all you're going to do is
bring up the past, then please don't
respond to me.
Yet again, notice everyone how jilee of
the bat responded to me?
Lets please not start this obsession
again. Because, i'll start being a
health question again, and yes, I will
start talking about that little son of
yours.
But, im trying to come here and be mature
about this. You obviously are still the
same.
I didn't respond to you, I didn't confront
you, I wasn't talking to you. So why'd
you feel the need to respond to me?
Exactly. Think about it?
You like to create, stir up, and cause
drama.
Im not here for that. Im here for a
mature debate, with mature people. I
already know you can't handle that. So
please, don't respond to me.
Thanks.
hey kourtney why are you not saying
anything to pro choicers,this is a polite
serious question,so far you have come on
here and pulled pro lifers again but not a
single post against pro choice,this is why
when you or certain other people post it
riles people
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-08-05 12:58pm
Quote:
first of all,
whats with people calling names around
here still? Its like you can't argue
unless you're attacking.
Second of all, I think everyone is trying
to say what she did, and didn't want, none
of us know so just stop. She's in a
better place now, im sure she's much
happier. I mean, she was in a bed, laying
there, doing nothing for 15
years?
i'm sorry, maybe you've read my post
wrong. That up there, is what I said.
Anywhere in that paragraph does it say the
words 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice?% no, I
was asking everyone, yes, steen included.
I'm sorry you've misunderstood me, it's
okay. :wink:
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-08-05 13:08pm
kourtney08
wrote:
Quote:
first of all,
whats with people calling names around
here still? Its like you can't argue
unless you're attacking.
Second of all, I think everyone is trying
to say what she did, and didn't want, none
of us know so just stop. She's in a
better place now, im sure she's much
happier. I mean, she was in a bed,
laying there, doing nothing for 15
years?
i'm sorry, maybe you've read my post
wrong. That up there, is what I said.
Anywhere in that paragraph does it say the
words 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice?' no, I
was asking everyone, yes, steen included.
I'm sorry you've misunderstood me, it's
okay.
:wink:
sorry if I misunderstood you but it was'nt
just that post I was talking about it
seemed from your posts that you were
having a pop at pro life and leaving pro
choice alone,once again sorry if I
misunderstood you,by the way welcome back
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-08-05 17:15pm
You know I didn't read that right?
Well, I sure hope you don't think i'd
waste my time on you.
I didn't adress you, therefor please don't
talk to me. You're a child, having a
child. Once again, im going to say I feel
sorry for your son. He doesn't stand a
chance in this world. Grow up. Leave me
alone. Stop adressing me when I haven't
spoken a word to you. It shows how
desperate and pathetic you are.
Run along and find a daddy for your health
questions son now.
You like that?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 04-08-05 22:46pm
What I don't get is how the hell terri was
murdered when all that happened was nature
being allowed to run it's course. What
ever happens to "gods will be done".. You
know.. Sometimes gods will (if he exists)
isn't always life.. So you either want
god to have complete control, or you
don't. I didn't know allowing somebody
to die peacefully and finally be able to
rest in peace is such an evil thing to
do.. She's in a better place now..
Heaven.. The gray havens.. Whatever you
want to call it.. If sending someone to
either of those places rather then having
them stuck here in earth is such a bad
thing.. Well then I guess so be it.
You know.. The light may have been on..
But nobody was home.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-09-05 01:27am
Brain damaged, o.K. But, notice, I
didn't say she was brain dead to begin
with now did i?
The fact of the matter still remains that
it isn't our decision and has nothing to
do with us! Just make sure that you have
your living will the way you want it and
hope someone in your family doesn't decide
to keep you alive against your will for 15
years in a state where you have no idea
what is going on. Or that you don't have
a living will and someone who you don't
want having control over what happens to
you, ends up letting you die when you
wanted to live life as a vegetable.
Either way, all we can do is make sure our
wishes are known and legally documented.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-09-05 03:34am
bd1012
wrote:
what I don't get is how the
hell terri was not a nice acted when all
that happened was nature being allowed to
run it's course. What ever happens to
"gods will be done".. You know..
Sometimes gods will (if he exists) isn't
always life.. So you either want god to
have complete control, or you don't. I
didn't know allowing somebody to die
peacefully and finally be able to rest in
peace is such an evil thing to do..
She's in a better place now.. Heaven..
The gray havens.. Whatever you want to
call it.. If sending someone to either
of those places rather then having them
stuck here in earth is such a bad thing..
Well then I guess so be it.
You know.. The light may have been on..
But nobody was
home.
nature was'nt allowed to take it's natural
course bd she was starved to death that is
not natures way
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-09-05 09:40am
foreverblue
wrote:
nature was'nt allowed to
take it's natural course bd she was
starved to death that is not natures
way
in the temperate and
artic parts of the world, over half of all
of nature's deaths are due to starvation
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-09-05 10:04am
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
nature was'nt allowed to
take it's natural course bd she was
starved to death that is not natures
way
in the temperate and
artic parts of the world, over half of all
of nature's deaths are due to
starvation
that is very telling that you think that
starving to death is an acceptable way to
die
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-09-05 12:30pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
nature was'nt allowed to
take it's natural course bd she was
starved to death that is not natures
way
in the temperate and
artic parts of the world, over half of all
of nature's deaths are due to
starvation
that is very telling that you think that
starving to death is an acceptable way to
die
and again, prolifers lie
like if they are unable not to. I
didn't say anything about "acceptable."
you made claims about starvation being
unnatural, and I merely pointed out that
you were wrong.
That you seek to misrepresent this merely
shows how incredibly dishonest you
actually are.
It is very telling how much prolifers lie.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-09-05 15:21pm
When you are pre-death, your system is
shutting down, you do not want food,
water, ice chips, nothing, just peace, you
do not want to be forced or pushed, this
is very much, completely natural.
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-09-05 16:01pm
Keeeeeeeep talking horse mouth.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 04-09-05 16:03pm
Quote:
so get off your
soap box and jump off a bridge, the world
would be a better
place
this coming from somebody prolife? Hmm..
Seems like she wants to abort one of
you.. Not sure who is she talking to
though but whoever it is she wants
aborted.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-09-05 18:38pm
Probably herself, we both know that she is
good @ talking to herself in the mirror.
I have learned that most of the pro-lifers
here want to control pretty-much
everyone's body and mind and tell them
what to do and not allow people their
choices, whether they are pregnant or
pre-death and if they are pre-death
they(the pro-lifers) want to put food in
them and water and and watch them choke,
that is really thoughtful of them. Most
of the pro-lifers here do not care about
quality of life, the just want women to
keep breeding all the time, allowing their
to be more abused neglected, unloved and
unfed children in the world and in the
system, how sad they are, what losers
they are.
Sincerely,
sandy
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 04-11-05 09:17am
jlee77
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
nature was'nt allowed to
take it's natural course bd she was
starved to death that is not natures
way
in the temperate and
artic parts of the world, over half of all
of nature's deaths are due to
starvation
that is very telling that you think that
starving to death is an acceptable way to
die
and again, prolifers lie
like if they are unable not to. I
didn't say anything about "acceptable."
you made claims about starvation being
unnatural, and I merely pointed out that
you were wrong.
That you seek to misrepresent this merely
shows how incredibly dishonest you
actually are.
It is very telling how much prolifers
lie.
you think starving is natural?
Really?!
imbecille illiterate
person, yes in nature, many deaths happen
from starvation. So yes, it is very
natural.
What part of "natural" don't you get?
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-11-05 13:56pm
steen
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
nature was'nt allowed to
take it's natural course bd she was
starved to death that is not natures
way
in the temperate and
artic parts of the world, over half of all
of nature's deaths are due to
starvation
that is very telling that you think that
starving to death is an acceptable way to
die
and again, prolifers lie
like if they are unable not to. I
didn't say anything about "acceptable."
you made claims about starvation being
unnatural, and I merely pointed out that
you were wrong.
That you seek to misrepresent this merely
shows how incredibly dishonest you
actually are.
It is very telling how much prolifers
lie.
you think starving is natural?
Really?!
imbecille illiterate
person, yes in nature, many deaths happen
from starvation. So yes, it is very
natural.
What part of "natural" don't you
get?
human or animal steen because it most
definitly is not a natural way for a human
being to die,it might be in your sick and
twisted mind but not in the rest of the
civilised world
ps if you are going to call someone else
illiterate steen,you really should make
sure your posts are error free,because
from here you are the one who cannot read
or spell.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Posted: 04-11-05 14:51pm
sandyallen
wrote:
i have learned that most of the pro-lifers
here want to control pretty-much
everyone's body and mind and tell them
what to do and not allow people their
choices, whether they are pregnant or
pre-death and if they are pre-death
they(the pro-lifers) want to put food in
them and water and and watch them choke,
that is really thoughtful of them. Most
of the pro-lifers here do not care about
quality of life, the just want women to
keep breeding all the time, allowing their
to be more abused neglected, unloved and
unfed children in the world and in the
system, how sad they are, what losers
they are.
Sincerely,
sandy
wow, someone's missing the point. Talk
about falsely framing a position. And
some of the "pro-choice" members talk
about some of the "pro-life" members
making false generilizations against the
other side. I dunno if you've ever said
anything about that sandy, but be
consistent. I don't doubt most people who
call themselves pro-choice do so
sincerely, but so do people who call
themselves pro-life. I doubt it's about
controlling anyone's body, that's not the
objective. And what's with all your red
herrings? Are you implying abortion
reduces abuse and neglect? Please show me
the numbers to back up that claim. I
guess your logic is by removing potential
beings who could be abused, you are
reducing it, but hey, that's a great
reason to justify killing life. Yea, i'm
a loser for thinking abortion more often
than not isn't the best answer to certain
problems. But hey, I guess it's the
individuals beloved choice no matter what
the nature of the act is.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Posted: 04-11-05 14:54pm
Death from dehydration and/or starvation
is "natural." however, purposefully not
feeding or hydrating someone to achieve
the objective of death is not very
natural.
