Ok...
I need help. I have no insurance until
01/2004 just started a new job.
Here's the prob. About a month or two ago
my spine started hurting, around the
middle or so. Ok, I thought another prob.
Anyway,, I noticed my right arm from the
wrist to the elbow was numb, I thought id
might have sleep on it, but after 4 weeks
I think not. Well, I noticed my left arm
samething...Elbow to wrist is numb??
Im only 41 I know I need to see a dr, but
im trying to wait till im covered.
Any help,,,,please im falling apart!
Thank you....Feel free to pm me
|
alisonjoan
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 36 Location: santa monica
Me Too Posted: 06-01-04 02:33am
Almost same story but numbness is in my
back and one leg. New job - and this has
been going on 2 months - er and
orthopedist both ignored this symptom.
It is past1/04 did you get checked out and
if so what did they find . What I am
feeling is like hitting your funny bone
and it is unbearable.
|
Venugopal
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 192 Location: India
Re: Numbness... Posted: 07-01-04 01:53am
There could be a compression of the nerve
fibres in the cervical spine leading to
pain or numbness of the upper limbs, in
your case in both the hands between elbow
and wrist.
Homeopathic medicine has good remedies
like sang can, plumbum met, calc flour
which can get rid of the numbness and
prevent them from recurring too.
Dr.Venugopal gouri.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Beware of "homeopathic" Remedies And Diagnoses Posted: 07-01-04 09:11am
Homeopaths make wild guesses at diagnosis
then prescribe untested chemicals to fit
their presumed diagnosis. They lack the
basic skills in anatomy, physiology, and
diagnostic medicine to be of any value.
Cervical disc herniations only extremely
rarely cause numbness from the elbow to
the wrist without having pain shooting
from the neck all the way down the arm.
When you can see a real physician who will
more likely than not tell you that you
have experienced an ulnar nerve
compression which results in numbness from
the elbow to the wrist. Homeopathic
medicines do not help treat or cure either
intervertebral disc problems nor nerve
compression. This kind of nonsense may
be acceptable in the jungles of india, but
is not acceptable in the us.
|
Venugopal
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 192 Location: India
Posted: 07-01-04 14:20pm
Making such hypotheses I do not know from
which jungle but here in india, one
becomes a homeopathic physician , after
going through a five and half year course
comprising of anatomy, physiology,
biochemistry, pathology, microbiology,
social & preventive medicine,
gynaecology & obstetrics, ent,
opthalmology, medicine, basics of surgery
etc.
If one does not know, one should ask but
do not spread false rumours about
something else which they do not know.
About technical competence, nobody is an
authority.
Go back to the jungles and learn more.
Dr.Venugopal gouri.
Bhms (bachelor of homeopathic medicine
& surgery)
consultant homeopathic physician.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
I Stand By My Statements. Posted: 07-01-04 18:55pm
The repeated inaccuracies and assumptions
posted by homeopaths demonstrate a severe
deficit in understanding of anatomy,
physiology, pathology, and radiology,
regardless of the formal training in such.
Perhaps 5 and 1/2 years simply isn't
long enough to become a physician. In
our country the minimum time is 8 years
after a 4 year bachelors degree. I
suppose ya get what ya pay for....
|
Venugopal
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 192 Location: India
Posted: 07-01-04 21:06pm
But it is not surprising though, the five
and half year old graduates teach the ones
to go through eight year old degree.
Choice or no choice.
One has every right to talk about other's
inaccuracies if one feels so but does not
mean that they can talk through the hat
about others.
Dr.Venugopal gouri.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Breaker Breaker... Posted: 07-01-04 23:23pm
Hey good buddy, your english is breaking
up. Why don't you skip the idioms of
speech and try saying what you mean.
Are you sure you went to college? Are
you sure you are really a "doctor", even a
homeopathic one?
|
DESAVIEW888
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 23 Location: MALAYSIA
Posted: 07-15-04 19:54pm
Algosdoc is obviuosly very knowledgeable
but from what I read so is drvenu.
Western medicine has its strengths but
also weaknesses if u know what I mean. I
believe in the holistic approach to the
human condition and western medicine alone
is not very good in that.
Western medicine is good for emergencies
and chinese and indian medicine is
preferred for maintenace of the human
body. Western medicine is good for
diagnosis but often produces no solutions.
I think western doctors are not justified
to criticise other medical practises
because very often they really work. It
is just they dont know why.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Doesn't Matter Posted: 07-15-04 20:49pm
Whether western medicine or oriental
medicine, it is the standard in the us to
provide proof. It doesn't matter if one
doesn't know why something does not work,
but because of fraud in medicine, in our
country it is the obligation of both the
patient and practitioner to prove their
effectiveness. It is not only "ok" to
critique another area of expertise when
they do not or cannot provide proof, but
it is absolutely necessary.
Perhaps in some asian countries, that is
not the case, but since this forum is
based in the us and questions are coming
from us patients, standards (or lack
thereof) from asian countries do not
apply.
|
DESAVIEW888
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 23 Location: MALAYSIA
Posted: 07-16-04 02:34am
The so called standard of proof favours
the big corporations, the chemicals and
patentable products. This has denied us
patients, due to this brain washing, many
products, processes and methods which are
cheaply available and works and in many
cases are also logical cos these
alternatives in most cases strengthen the
human body against myriad illnesses.
Except in the case of emergencies, our
population prefers oriental medicine first
( even amongst the rich) cos in the first
place they strengthen the body and no harm
is done to the human body unlike western
medicine's mainly symtomatic relief which
weakens the body.
We believe most pain, discomforts and
general illments will disappear once the
body-mind is brought back to balance
through relaxation exercises, chi/oxygen,
avoidance of acidic food/drinks,
movements/exercises, correct lifestyle
with emphasis on balance.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Nice! Posted: 07-17-04 00:16am
It is nice that your culture is able to
wish away pain by simply bringing the mind
into balance. Our society is not so
fortunate. Therefore, do not even begin
to presume your oriental methods to work
in a western culture. They do not. I
am happy malaysia doesn't need western
medicine! Saves a significant amount of
money!
|
PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 07-17-04 20:55pm
you
have not answered this poor woman's
question.Instead you need to be right.All
of you have valid points,western medicine
could learn something from eastern
medicine as far as the mind/body
connection and the power of positive
thinking.Take your differences outside and
pm each other with your bickering.This
woman is looking for help,not
confrontation.
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Answered... Posted: 07-18-04 00:13am
Obviously you do not read with any degree
of understanding. The fourth post has
the ostensible diagnosis and solution.
There are no other solutions which have
been proven to be effective.
|
PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 07-18-04 10:48am
Look,i'm not trying to start an argument
here,but quite often I have seen several
debates over clinical diagnosis and the
proper treatment.No one has seen these
people to do an accurate exam,and as
always there will be differences in
clinical judgment.That does not mean that
anyone is correct or incorrect.People are
looking for help here not arguments over
traditional medicine vs. Alternative
medicine.One size does not fit all and an
open mind is a wonderful thing.I have the
utmost respect for the profession,after
all, it has earned me and my family a nice
living over the last 23 years.However,i
have seen cases where traditional medicine
had exhausted all means and alternative
medicine had succeeded.It would be nice if
western medicine could be a little more
accepting of complementary therapies.I'm
not saying replace it totally,but to
integrate the best of both.No disrespect
intended to anyone,just upsets me to see
educated people resort to
namecalling.Pattyv
|
algosdoc
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 186
Medicine Vs. Alternative Systems... Posted: 07-18-04 12:57pm
Medicine is a system of treatment which
uses science, controlled studies, and the
best outcome measurements available in
order to assure the public of the safest
and most effective treatments.
Alternatives with the misnomer
"alternative medicine" are largely belief
systems without any substantiation except
for single cases or without any placebo
controls. This does not imply belief
systems have no value. There are many
who believe in voodoo, ouiji boards,
tarrot cards, etc. Who claim that these
belief systems help them in their lives.
There are others who claim allah gives
them the power to destroy and homicide
individuals and control entire countries
with tyrannical rule, thereby improving
the plight of the people.
The point is that these are simply beliefs
without any basis in proof or fact.
Prayer in medicine has recently been
disproven as a viable entity however that
doesn't mean there is no value in
prayer.
Claiming alternative systems based on
beliefs, hopes, and prayers can replace
centuries of research and proof is what is
absurd. Using western medicine and
alternative therapies in the same sentence
is counterintuitive and illogical because
the former is based on science while the
latter is based on old wives tales.
Old wives tales may have merit, but in
order to be comparable in any way to
medical science, there has to be proof.
One should not fall into the trap of
believing that if medical science cannot
deliver the desired results, then
alternative methods should be used since
they are harmless. They are not.
Instead, they are untested for safety or
efficacy. We do not know the true amount
of harm they are causing because the
practitioners who recommend such are too
lazy to do the study to demonstrate they
are not simply charlatans. Caveat
emptor.
If I could jump in with a comment/question
regarding my own numbness and an opinion
on the lady's arm numbness. First, my
problem. I had a cervical disc
herniation, c5,c6 last year. I had, prior
to surgery experienced a burning right
thumb with numbness, weakness in the right
arm with terrible pain and neck spasms.
It is painful for anything to touch my
thumb and it is constantly burning. 14
months after surgery it is no better but
my neck pain and right arm pain is better.
I have persistent weakness in the arm.
The doctor does not respond as this was a
workers comp case with poor reimbursement.
Does anyone think my thumb will get
better and if not, is there any treatment.
(i will not try homoepathics).
The lady sounds to me like carpal tunnel
syndrome.