Panic Attacks - How to Fixed Yourself? [update] Posted: 04-14-05 13:01pm
Is it possible for your body to sort of
reprogram itself differently after an
episode where you are extremely
anxious/panicky? To be more specific,
having an exam or something of the sort
and getting extremely anxious and panicky
because it's not going the way you want
to. Then, when you get home, you start
getting shortness of breath and your heart
rate has increased?
I've had something of the sort, and after
3 months I still have the shortness of
breath (all the time) and the increased
heart rate (also all the time). Is it
possible that in the panic that my body
reprogrammed itself to breathe/beat
faster? I've had every test done under
the sun and even gone to a cardiosacrel
therapist and with no for-sure answers,
ruled it down to anxiety. What can I do
to retrain my body and get my heartbeat
back to normal? Is this the kind of
thing that can only be broken with
medication? Could I benifit from rehab
at the gym? Are the stretches I can do?
I've done breathing exercises and those
don't really do anything for me, and i'm
playing both my instruments as I heard
they'll help to control breathing, as well
as being a workout for my heart and lungs.
I'd love to hear from anyone who has had
experience in this kind of thing, or that
can help me out! I would really love to
get back to riding :wink:
Last edited by crippled on 04-27-05 19:31pm; edited 1 time in total
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nataliedee
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Posted: 04-16-05 00:39am
Don't take any offence to this please but
I think you may be convincing yourself
that your heart is this way more than
anything. It's very easy to do. And i'll
admit, I think I might be doing it too.
You feel that it would make sense that
your heart is beating irregularly after
the panic attack and maybe it is happening
to you. But I don't think that could
happen. It doesn't seem right. It could
also be that you're having worse panic
attacks after a big panic attack. That's
happened to me before. You could just be
in the process of getting over your
previous panic attack.
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crippled
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Posted: 04-16-05 09:11am
I don't think that's it. At school i'm
fine, I don't think about it or anything,
then I do up the stairs and it's beating
out of my chest at 150 bpm. I'm not
anxious going up the stairs at all, and
i'm really not an overly anxious person.
I have had panic attacks after the big one
but they stopped several months ago and I
haven't been anxious since, yet my
heartbeat is still higher than it should
be. I still don't know what to do :cry:
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poetmcc
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Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 273
Posted: 04-16-05 12:40pm
Hi crippled, sorry to hear what you're
going through. I think medication is the
best ay to go with this as you say nothing
else worked. Well...What's wrong with
that? I get a feeling that you don't want
to take medicines. Don't be afraid to
take them- instead be proud that you are
helping your body and yourself to have a
better life. You deserve that for
yourself. Music is a great way to calm
down -its soothing and relaxing when you
are hassled. Working out can make your
heart healthy too- but when it seems to be
ebating so fast all the time. Maybe you
want to see another Dr. To make sure its
safe. You seem to be really determined to
make your life better and that's great.
Take care of yourself and keep me posted
on how you are doing ok.
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nataliedee
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Posted: 04-16-05 22:00pm
Well then you may just have a medical
condition and you should probably talk to
someone about it. :d
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crippled
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Posted: 04-18-05 10:53am
Natalie - that's the problem, because
we're not even sure it's anxiety for sure.
If it is, it sure isn't your classic
case.. I can't even go up the stairs
without my heart racing like mad! I've
given up my horse because I can't ride
which is one of the saddest things i've
ever had to do. Whatever this is, it's
ruining my life!!
I'd really appreciate any help that anyone
can give me. Everything is getting ruined
and I don't know how much longer I can
last. If it helps, these are the things
that i've been tested for and nothing came
up:
- had ekg
- oxygen tests to check my lung capacity
- x-rays done on my lungs
- blood was tested for creatine, sodium,
potassium, chloride, calcium, magnesium
(which was low but is now fixed).
Phosphorus, t4 (done several times), white
blood cell count for mono, checked for
anemia
- halter monitor
- echo cardiogram
- ultra sounds done on legs and heart
- 24 hr unine sample
- injected radioactive chemicals to check
for blood clots near heart and lungs
- strep test
i need help so badly and i've been to
about 6-7 different doctors and none of
them can figure out what it is for sure.
I don't know what to do anymore and i'm
running out of hope. It's my 16th
birthday tomorrow and for once in 3 months
i'd like to feel good again. Please,
please, please help me get through this!!
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jurplesman
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Posted: 04-20-05 00:06am
Hello crippled,
unfortunately most doctors have no clues
as to what causes anxiety attacks and yet
the treatment is so simple.
Anxiety attacks are caused by excess
adrenaline production. This happens when
the brain senses a energy starvation as
during a hypoglycemic dip. This means
that the brain is starved of energy.
Biological energy is derived form glucose
found the food we eat. When we eat too
much sugar it may result in insulin
resistance (hypoglycemia) meaning that
receptors for insulin fail to push glucose
(as well as other nutrients) across the
cell membrane. The brain needs a
constant supply of biological energy
(derived form glucose) to synthesize our
feel-good neurochemicals.
Insulin resistance causes an increase in
the blood sugar level, triggering the
release of more insulin. Excess insulin
causes a sudden drop in blood sugar levels
and now we have a hypoglycemia and brain
starvation.
In response, the brain send stress
hormones to increase blood sugar levels,
but these very stress hormone also cause
the anxiety attacks.
Pleas read:
“beating anxiety” at our web site for
more details.
Jurriaan plesman, ba(psych), post grad.
Dip. Clin. Nutr.
Jurplesman - would not that sort of thing
show up in blood tests? In the 24 hour
urine sample, they checked my adrenals (i
don't know the results, never really got
them back so i'm assuming it was all okay)
and in a blood test it showed that I had
great sugar levels.
Thought i'd add, for about two weeks i've
been on a health diet and not allowing
myself to have any sugar what-so-ever.
I went back to visit the doctor again
today and since we've ruled everything
else out he believes it is a form of
anxiety and perhaps a virus as well.
The anxiety attacks you have described
sound exactly what I was having. They
would be worst when I was very tired but
on the weekends I wouldn't get them.
Basically, what i'm really trying to get
past right now is the constant racing
heart beat. My heart needs a rest, and
i'm not able to get in to see a
phychologist until the end of june!!
:cry:
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jurplesman
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Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 139 Location: Sydney Australia
Posted: 04-22-05 23:12pm
Hello crippled,
it is unfortunate that most conventional
doctors do not know how to test for
hypoglycemia. It is done by a special
glucose tolerance test for hypoglycemia
designed by dr george samra in sydney and
described at our web site as
"testing for hypoglycemia and how the
doctor can help".
See his book “the hypoglycemic
connection ii”.
There is a letter attached for a doctor
explaining how to test for hypoglycemia.
Unlike a test for diabetes it measures the
fluctuations of blood sugar levels over
time, that is about four hours. Blood
samples are taken every half an hour.
Some of the readings may be in the normal
range, but looks at abnormal peaks and
falls as a result of insulin (prediabetic
insulin resistance). It will also
indicate a possible hypothyroidism and a
possible imbalance in zinc and copper
levels. There are many reasons for an
abnormal glycolysis, such as various
nutritional deficiencies or other medical
conditions ( that should be excluded).
We in fact are looking for any abnormality
in the conversion of glucose to atp in
glycolysis and it may affect an
abnormality at any stage during
glycolysis.
Thus what we are looking at how the brain
is fed by atp.
Any abnormality in energy supplies to the
brain may result in the excess production
of adrenaline (the hpa reaction in medical
terms) that may be responsible for unusual
‘psychological experiences’ or
‘physical experiences’ such as
abnormal heart beats.
Normally the hypoglycemic diet should be
able to overcome the problem, but if this
fails then further medical tests may need
to be performed.
Jurriaan plesman, ba(psych), post grad.
Dip. Clin. Nutr.
For more articles see free web site at
http://www.Hypoglycemia.Asn.Au
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crippled
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Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 20 Location: Whitby
Posted: 04-23-05 09:42am
Thanks for all your help, i'm really
looking into it as I have way more then
half of the symptoms listed. I went to
one of my doctors who knows about
hypoglycemia and said we might as well
check for it because the symptoms are the
same as anxiety symptoms. However, he
recommended a different test which I will
have done on monday. I don't think it's
the g.T.T. Though. If nothing shows up
on this test, I will go to my other doctor
and request the proper test. I have high
suspicions that I have something wrong
with my metabolism. Thanks again.
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crippled
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Update Posted: 04-27-05 19:36pm
I went to a couple doctors this week that
said my resting heartrate is still in the
normal range (74-86) when sitting. It's
probably a little higher than most
people's because I haven't done any
physical activity since february
basically.
I think this may all be caused by the
shortness of breath. Since I have this,
doesn't it mean my heart has to beat
faster to get more oxygen? Does this make
sense?
I'm looking for any input on this as too
how I can get better. I tested negative
to hypoglycemia. I have no other health
problems what-so-ever and am perfectly
healthy besides being out of breath and
having a racing heart. I get extremely
out of breath just walking around or going
upstairs, although i've done every lung
test and theres nothing wrong, and I am
breathing deep and slow. Any other
thoughts?
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jurplesman
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Posted: 04-27-05 21:35pm
Hello crippled,
you said that you tested negative for
hypoglycemia.
Well, can you tell me the results of the
test?? There should be at least nine
readings.
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crippled
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Posted: 04-29-05 15:59pm
Jurples - I had only two readings and I
didn't get them back. My doctor is very
familiar with hypoglycemia and he said
that the g.T.T. Can actually cause
hypoglycemic symptoms even if the person
does not have it, which can lead to the
wrong diagnostics. I had a 12 hour
fasting glucose blood test and another
blood test that they took 2 hours after
eating. They we both fine.
Something else has come up though. I had
a pulmonary lung fuction test about 6
weeks ago and the dlco levels were very
low, showing that somehow my circulation
to my lungs is being restricted. I am
going in for a cat scan soon.
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jurplesman
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Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 139 Location: Sydney Australia
Posted: 04-30-05 00:03am
Hi crippled,
you write:
"jurples - I had only two readings and I
didn't get them back. My doctor is very
familiar with hypoglycemia and he said
that the g.T.T. Can actually cause
hypoglycemic symptoms even if the person
does not have it, which can lead to the
wrong diagnostics. I had a 12 hour
fasting glucose blood test and another
blood test that they took 2 hours after
eating. They we both fine."
the above test seems to be a test for
diabetes. I don't know where your
doctors got the idea that a gtt causes
hypoglycemia! This is exactly what we
are testing for. If you have a
hypoglycemic reaction in a gtt, you have
the hypoglycemic syndrome. The test does
not cause hypoglycemia, but your inability
to metabolize the glucose load properly
causes you to have a hypoglycemic
reaction. This is indicative of
hypoglycemia.
I am afraid I can not be of further
assistance if you do not have a proper
test for hypoglycemia as explained at our
web site.
Perhaps you should see a naturopath, or a
nutritionist, or a 'complementary doctor'
familiar with nutritional medicine.
Jurriaan plesman, ba(psych), post grad.
Dip. Clin. Nutr.
For more articles see free web site at
http://www.Hypoglycemia.Asn.Au
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Fiona murphy
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Just Thinking Posted: 04-30-05 05:47am
I suffer from panic attacks and anxiety
(well suffered!!), I understand them and
can control my anxiety to live my normal
life again without to much fuss. For me
it was all in my mind, yes, I was having
symptoms, shortness of breath, racing
heart, nausea etc. I also went to the
doctors for a few years and they all said
it was anxiety. The way I got over it was
to say to myself "does it really matter if
my heart races for the rest of my life?" I
mean the doctor said my heart was all
normal and I was quite healthy, so who
cares?! The best thing I ever did was to
live my life as normal with my racing
heart, and you know what? As soon as I
calmed down and wasnt scared of it
anymore it went!!!!! It takes quite a
while (months), but it didnt kill or even
hurt me. Dont analyze how you are feeling
cause this feeds it. If your heart races
just say "who cares, it's not going to
hurt me" and occupy your mind with
something else. Dont give it another
thought. Be strong and get back on your
horse. Has your racing heart ever
stopped?, have you passed out?, has it
hurt you in anyway (besides just feeling
uncomfortable and scary)? I had it for
years and I was terrified that something
bad was going to happen but day after day
month after month, year after year nothing
happened to mean until I wasnt scared of
anything anymore. I reckon that your
heart has felt like this before but you
didnt give it another thought. Its just
that this time you paid attention to it
and it scared you. Good luck and give it
a go!!!
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Filo
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Posted: 04-30-05 08:52am
I think thats very good advice fiona
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crippled
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Posted: 04-30-05 10:02am
Thanks fiona. I think this is excellent
advise as well. Before I do anything too
strenuous though, i'm waiting to get in to
have a cat scan, just to make sure there
isn't something more serious that's
restricting my blood flow to my lungs.
For all I know, I could have a virus (it
did all start with a cold after all..)