Jenn_smithson:again, as in the other
thread, I responded to the first post that
I saw that I thought I could better
explain. Clearly, there was a
misunderstanding present and I sought to
illeviate the problem before it became an
issue.
Clearly abortion its self is an issue and
any discussion of abortion is an issue or
'misunderstanding'..Disagreement
whatever.. I am sorry if you are a
professional problem fixer or think you
are but I just dont think that what you
say will fix that one.
Jenn_smithson:if there were one absolute
truth with regards to abortion, then we
would all believe it without deviation.
The principle would be easily seen and
understood and no one would be able to
falter against it. This is readily not
the case. Many different people believe
many different things with regards to
abortion worldwide. <<if there was
one objective truth even within the two
camps, all who consider themselves one or
the other would believe in those truths as
they are and yet this is not the case.
There is great variation on belief and
none of the beliefs are inately wrong
(unless you compare them to your own
belief system).
"i. Myself" believe there is one absoulte
truth about abortion because I believe in
god. A baby is a gift, god never intended
for anyone to ever kill a child.E.V.E.R
and if you believe in god then obviously
you wouldnt believe in abortion. And if
you don't believe in god..Im scared for
you (and im sure you'll find out one day)
i'll pray for you. And if you believe in
god but yet still believe in abortion I
will still be praying for you.Thats
another discussion that I will not get
into. But like I have said many times
before you believe what you want to
believe and I will believe what I want to
believe
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Re: Lukitsme03 Posted: 04-20-05 11:52am
steen
wrote:
where_is_the_line
wrote:
fine, but there is still
only one truth. You're correct that
one individual opinion does not
necessarily speak for the entire truth,
but all opinions are not equal.
ah, such as "raspberries
taste better than strawberries." either
it is true or false, and surely there is
only one truth,
right?
the absolute truth isn't necessarily in
the form of a true or false, it depends on
what is being considered. In that case,
the absolute truth would not be either or.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Re: Lukitsme03 Posted: 04-20-05 12:01pm
jenn_smithson
wrote:
if there were one absolute
truth with regards to abortion, then we
would all believe it without deviation.
The principle would be easily seen and
understood and no one would be able to
falter against it. This is readily not
the case. Many different people believe
many different things with regards to
abortion worldwide.
not so. The absolute truth is not
dependent upon majority agreement. The
majority opinion at any given time can be
closer to wrong or closer to being right
or somewhere inbetween.
Many issues that once had majority consent
or at least involved a substantial amount
of dispute are not so today. The absolute
truth never changed, it was people's
opinions on the issues.
I'm not claiming that we can always
decipher the absolute truth completely but
it still exists.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Re: Lukitsme03 Posted: 04-20-05 19:30pm
where_is_the_line
wrote:
many issues that once had
majority consent or at least involved a
substantial amount of dispute are not so
today. The absolute truth never changed,
it was people's opinions on the issues.
I'm not claiming that we can always
decipher the absolute truth completely but
it still
exists.
if it cannot be
deciphered, what is the point of stating
that it exists? If you cannot discern it
and see it and allow everyone else to see
it, then what keeps it from just being a
figment of someone's imagination?
Obviously, we are going to inevitably
agree to disagree since I don't believe
that there is any absolute truth as it
relates to human beings.
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where_is_the_line
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 173 Location: USA: NY & DC
Re: Lukitsme03 Posted: 04-20-05 20:45pm
jenn_smithson
wrote:
where_is_the_line
wrote:
many issues that once had
majority consent or at least involved a
substantial amount of dispute are not so
today. The absolute truth never
changed, it was people's opinions on the
issues.
I'm not claiming that we can always
decipher the absolute truth completely but
it still
exists.
if it cannot be
deciphered, what is the point of stating
that it exists? If you cannot discern
it and see it and allow everyone else to
see it, then what keeps it from just being
a figment of someone's imagination?
Obviously, we are going to inevitably
agree to disagree since I don't believe
that there is any absolute truth as it
relates to human
beings.
how can you say that? We often make
discoveries that are closer to the
"absolute truths" that exist throughout
human history. What absolute truths don't
exist as it relates to human beings? All
our scientific and medical advancements,
are those based solely on someone's
imagination? The absolute truth often can
be discerned if given enough effort and
enough knowledge is present.
The atom still existed before we could
discern it. What is wrong with claiming
there are absolute truths that exist that
may not be clear to everyone?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 04-21-05 00:31am
Quote:
I think you or
anyone else with that type of attitude
should keep your thoughts and comments to
yourselves !!!
i will when you no life having religious
conservative fundies get your hands off my
uterus and stop trying to dictate my sex
life.. I will have sex when and when I
want (which is like once a month so don't
you even begin to tell me i'm a
prostitute) and I will abort if I conceive
(which isn't likely since I rarely have
sex and i'm on depo and I have
hypothryroidism which can sometimes affect
fertility) whether you like it or not.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 04-21-05 01:42am
bd1012
wrote:
Quote:
I think you or
anyone else with that type of attitude
should keep your thoughts and comments to
yourselves !!!
i will when you no life having religious
conservative fundies get your hands off my
uterus and stop trying to dictate my sex
life.. I will have sex when and when I
want (which is like once a month so don't
you even begin to tell me i'm a
prostitute) and I will abort if I conceive
(which isn't likely since I rarely have
sex and i'm on depo and I have
hypothryroidism which can sometimes affect
fertility) whether you like it or
not.
well said bd and I quite agree with you
that it is a stupid argument to say "keep
your legs shut" when really they should be
campaigning for a better education and
better availability of contraception,i
also agree that no one should tell another
to stay out of it because of thier
beliefs.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-21-05 14:19pm
This maybe a cute cuddly baby to you but
to others it can be a nightmare monster,
it is very sad that you do not understand
much about the real world and you want to
crowd more into the system, into foster
homes that will never be adopted. You
want to stop abortion, stop women from
having sex(making love or whatever). Next
you will want to make it so women are not
allowed in bars, not vote, you want to
make it so that everyone must attend
church on sunday. If you want to go back
to the olden days bully for you, they
still had abortion then too. My
great-grandmother was a midwife on a
indian reservation she lived to be
105years old, she still had her right
mind, she told us things that happened 100
years ago about abortion and they were
moral, religous people too.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Lukitsme Posted: 04-21-05 15:34pm
Don't punish the baby because of "her"
mistake. What? Last time I checked it
took two to make a baby. So, don't go on
saying it was her mistake. It may have
been an accident (ie failed birth control,
etc.) or it may have been a mistake, but
it would be a mistake of two not one.
But, that is where the two thing usually
ends. Then, it is up to the pregnant
woman to decide what happens as in most
cases she will be the only one affected by
it. The guy, if he doesn't want the
baby, can push and push for an abortion,
and if one is had, why is it that "she" is
the only one to get bashed for it? Why
is it that the sperm donor never ever gets
bashed? I personally don't think anyone
should be bashed, but that is a bunch of
bull.
And if birth control fails, and a woman
ends up pregnant, who are we to say that
she has to carry the fetus for nine months
and then give birth? Do you really think
anyone has the right to make her do that?
That is sick, in my opinion.
Kourtney.....That first post of
poopoopoo's was to lukitsme not to you, so
I don't see why you feel you have to tell
her to run along.
