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the New Pro-choice Abortion Argument Posted: 04-19-05 01:42am
Listen to this, apparently, the newest
argument some pro-choicers have been
making is that the fetus does not even
matter in the abortion issue. Yes, you
read that right, the nature of the fetus
is a fallacy to some and shouldn't even
come into play in the debate. If that
doesn't sound like a losing argument, I
don't know what is. The nature of the
fetus clearly matters.
"the tree comes to me."
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 04-19-05 08:03am
I would like to say that statement is
ludicrous, the whole debate centres around
the fact that the foetus can and will (if
left to its own devices) turn into a human
life, hence trying to abstract the issue
and remove that fact from the arguement
voids any discussion being held. The
whole debate is based on the morality of
whether the abortion is infantcide or
whether the procedure is comparable to a
gall stone removal.
If you take the "child" out of the
equation then yes abortions are a great
way to extend your career but that would
take the issue of morallity and throw it
out of the window, which as stated is the
whole point of the arguement in the first
place.
This debate/arguement/discussion is simply
"pro choice" trying to sidestep the issue.
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jenn_smithson
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 04-19-05 14:38pm
fishx
wrote:
i would like to say that
statement is ludicrous, the whole debate
centres around the fact that the foetus
can and will (if left to its own devices)
turn into a human
life,
not necessarily. Not
every pregnancy results in a vaible, live
birth of a child. The human uterus is
actually quite an inhospitable place and
despite the best efforts of medical
science roughly half of all pregnancies
end in spontaneous abortion (miscarriage).
Quote:
the whole debate
is based on the morality of whether the
abortion is infantcide or whether the
procedure is comparable to a gall stone
removal.
that is your opinion
and while I disagree, I respect your right
to have it. To you, in your opinion, the
whole debate is about morality but I am
not an advocate of boiling any one issue
down to one thing. There are many facets
to the issue which you do a disservice to
by cutting them off. Also, you will
always have opposing "morals" on this
issue as some feel it is just as immoral
to compell a woman to keep a pregnancy she
does not want or would not choose.
Quote:
if you take the
"child" out of the equation then yes
abortions are a great way to extend your
career but that would take the issue of
morallity and throw it out of the window,
which as stated is the whole point of the
arguement in the first
place.
not only is morality
not the sum total of the base of this
issue but neither is "extending your
career" the only reason a woman may choose
to obtain an abortion. This issue is far
from being black and white.
Quote:
this
debate/arguement/discussion is simply "pro
choice" trying to sidestep the
issue.
perhaps it's just a
response to the "pro-life" camp attempting
to focus only on the z/e/f with no regard
to the actual woman involved. However, I
don't believe it boils down completely to
that either.
Peace,
jenn
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-19-05 18:58pm
A z/e/f will not always turn into a human
life (if left on its own devices).
Their are many times that a z/e/f is
better off not continuing on with the
pregnancy, just like the pregnant female
is better off not continuing on with the
pregnancy, it can work both ways.
Being pro-choice does not mean that we are
100% for abortion, it means that we are
100% pro-choice. None of us lives with
all of the pregnant females 24/7, we do
not know what goes on all of the time.
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
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Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-19-05 21:43pm
What a waste of a post.
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 04-20-05 00:51am
sandyallen
wrote:
a z/e/f will not always turn
into a human life (if left on its own
devices).
Their are many times that a z/e/f is
better off not continuing on with the
pregnancy, just like the pregnant female
is better off not continuing on with the
pregnancy, it can work both ways.
Being pro-choice does not mean that we are
100% for abortion, it means that we are
100% pro-choice. None of us lives
with all of the pregnant females 24/7, we
do not know what goes on all of the
time.
Sincerely,
sandy
yes I know what pro choice means and to
the best of my recolection I have never
stated that pro choice was 100% for
termination.
I have many friends that are pro choice
but would not dream of having a
termination themselves so if I have ever
said that pro choice were 100%termination
then please show where and I will
apologise.
Last edited by FISHX on 04-20-05 02:38am; edited 1 time in total
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 04-20-05 00:56am
kourtney08
wrote:
what a waste of a
post.
then are you not just as quilty by
responce?
The way I see it is that if someone has
something to say and says it then no it
isn't a waste of a post.
Kourtney I thought that you were keen to
get the debate forum back on form with
comments like that obviously not.
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Kourtney08
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Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 04-20-05 13:59pm
Look back at what he said and then respond
to me again. I didn't call anyone names.
I stated the obvious. It was a waste of a
post, it was insults, and it was
pathetic.
Kthanxbye.
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sandyallen
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Fishx Posted: 04-20-05 18:26pm
I did not say that fishx said anything
about pro-choice being 100% for or against
abortion. It is just that it is the way
that some pro-lifers act, it was just a
comment.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 04-21-05 15:50pm
Well, I have never heard this argument
being used. Please state where this is
coming from....
Of course the fetus matters. If it
didn't then there wouldn't be any
debating, argumenting and the "choice"
wouldn't be so hard to make. Actually
there really wouldn't be any choice, now
would there?
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Re: Fishx Posted: 04-22-05 17:14pm
sandyallen
wrote:
i did not say that fishx
said anything about pro-choice being 100%
for or against abortion. It is just
that it is the way that some pro-lifers
act, it was just a comment.
Sincerely,
sandy
apologies it was my mistake I
misunderstood your post.
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sandyallen
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Fishx Posted: 04-22-05 19:18pm
No problem here. Apology accepted.
Sincerely,
sandy
