Please Help..a Topic About Meat.. Posted: 04-23-05 22:02pm
How much meat should a person consume on
an average day?..What are some side
effects if an excessive amount is
taken?..
My dad is a big man, I mean he doesn't
weigh too much weight wise..But he has a
noticebly big stomach..The thing is he
loves to eat. I mean you won't see him
filling up on junk food..But his meals are
huge, especially for supper..The thing
that bothers me the most is his excessive
meat intake..Like when we're having steak,
he would have his on one of the large
plates..And the rest of his meal
(vegetable,potatoes..Etc) on another..I'm
afraid this will eventually lead to
problems with his health..I've tried
convincing him but he only gets angry,
scaring him by listing diseases..Nothing
works..What should I do?..
Here are some facts for some of you
meat-lovers out there:
meat causes - rheumatism, arthritis and
gout (uric acid buildup)
meat causes - cancer - (liver & kidney
breakdown from too much protein)
meat causes - homosexuality in males.
(excessive testosterone over several
generations)
(meat causes masculine homosexual)
meat causes - masculinity in women - hair
on their arms and legs, deeper voice.
Destroys their true feminists and makes
them bossy and stubborn. Many women from
the back look like boys.
Meat causes - high blood pressure breaks
down the blood vessel's.
Meat causes - heart problems
meat causes colitis - meat contains
……. Factitive bacteria
meat causes excessive uric acid which
leads to arthritis, kidney stones
gallstones.
Meat causes headaches &
far-sightedness, meat together with excess
sugar and too much close work cause
nearsightedness.
Ok first of all, where did you get your
facts on meat? Meat does not cause
homosexuality in men nor does it make
women more masculine. I have been eating
meat for a long time and I still look like
a woman. No extra hair on my body and I
haven't grown a penis yet!!!!!
I have to say that this is the funniest
thing I have read in a long time!
Second, meat protions should be limited to
a serving size of about 3-4
ounces..............About the size of a
deck of cards, and only about 2-3 servings
a day (that is if he is a big guy).
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Jamiebelly
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Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Re: Meat Posted: 04-30-05 02:21am
nutrigirl2775
wrote:
ok first of all, where did
you get your facts on meat? Meat does
not cause homosexuality in men nor does it
make women more masculine. I have been
eating meat for a long time and I still
look like a woman. No extra hair on my
body and I haven't grown a penis
yet!!!!!
I have to say that this is the funniest
thing I have read in a long time!
Second, meat protions should be limited to
a serving size of about 3-4
ounces..............About the size of a
deck of cards, and only about 2-3 servings
a day (that is if he is a big
guy).
i don't know if meat would alter the
hormones found in men, but I do know for a
fact that it would cause women to become
more masculine. No you wouldn't grow
extra hair, but you may have more
hair,such as on your arms and legs
compared to others if an excessive amount
of meat is consumed. A penis?..Uh I doubt
eating too much meat will lead to a sex
change. Please don't exaggerate, this is
serious.
I don't really remember, but I think I
obtained the information on a site linked
to a harvard website. I don't know if it
is legitimate or not, but i'm certain that
meat can lead to a variety of cancers and
diseases.
I'm not questioning the cancer part of
your post. But I am challenging the
making women more masculine part. I'm
not really sure where the information came
from, but I can assure you that there are
a lot of non-masculine meat eating women
in this world.
It really doesn't make any sense.
I'm not questioning you but I am
questioning your source. There is a lot
of false information on the www. We need
to be careful what we believe.
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Posted: 04-30-05 16:54pm
nutrigirl2775
wrote:
i'm not questioning the
cancer part of your post. But I am
challenging the making women more
masculine part. I'm not really sure
where the information came from, but I can
assure you that there are a lot of
non-masculine meat eating women in this
world.
It really doesn't make any sense.
I'm not questioning you but I am
questioning your source. There is a lot
of false information on the www. We
need to be careful what we
believe.
i've read somewhere that meat increases
your testosterone level. I still believe
there's some truth that women can inhabit
masculine features from excessive meat
intake. Now obviously this isn't true for
all women, since everyone's body works
differently.
What is there to be careful of? I just
posted the information just like anyone
could of read it on that website. If you
or anyone else believes it to be false, so
be it. It's not like i'm posing some kind
of threat. I posted it just so people
could be aware. If it doesn't make sense
to you, just ignore that part of the post.
:)
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 05-06-05 10:23am
That is so untrue. According to the
pyramid a person should consume 2-3
servings of meat (or 2-4 not sure which
one, but it is one of the two) and each
serving should be the size of your palm.
If meat causes all of the above things you
mentioned then it would be recommended
that no one eat any meat at all.
Homosexuality in males, that is the
craziest thing I have ever heard.
Masculinity in females? Whatever. I
don't know where you go that "information"
but I wouldn't go there ever again.
Your father is overeating period. No one
should ever sit down and eat two
platefulls of anything. His fat around
the midsection is putting him at risk of
all kinds of health problems. I wouldn't
worry so much about the meat, but would
start worrying about the excess weight and
the eating too much food in general.
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Posted: 05-06-05 20:11pm
hotasfrick
wrote:
that is so untrue.
According to the pyramid a person should
consume 2-3 servings of meat (or 2-4 not
sure which one, but it is one of the two)
and each serving should be the size of
your palm.
If meat causes all of the above things you
mentioned then it would be recommended
that no one eat any meat at all.
Homosexuality in males, that is the
craziest thing I have ever heard.
Masculinity in females? Whatever. I
don't know where you go that "information"
but I wouldn't go there ever again.
Your father is overeating period. No
one should ever sit down and eat two
platefulls of anything. His fat around
the midsection is putting him at risk of
all kinds of health problems. I
wouldn't worry so much about the meat, but
would start worrying about the excess
weight and the eating too much food in
general.
"no one eat any meat at all"? What are
you talking about? The information is
just for those who consistently consume
too much, not for those in general. It is
known that the food you eat can alter your
hormores, so how are you so sure that this
information is false? Just because it may
sound over the top doesn't mean you can
just jump to conclusions w/o any
professional knowledge. I've consulted
with a doctor and he said that too much
meat can indeed lead to increased hair
growth, and deeper voices in women because
meat can increase your testosterone
level.
Again,
"if you or anyone else believes it to be
false, so be it. It's not like i'm posing
some kind of threat. I posted it just so
people could be aware. If it doesn't make
sense to you, just ignore that part of the
post."
thank you for your reply.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 05-11-05 12:13pm
Read your first post before you start
trying to insult me.
It says, "meat causes...." and then you
list all of that nonsense. It does not
say, "eating too much meat causes...."
so, if you don't mind, please pay
attention before telling us we are
wrong.
Thanks for you reply.
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Posted: 05-12-05 17:51pm
hotasfrick
wrote:
read your first post before
you start trying to insult me.
It says, "meat causes...." and then you
list all of that nonsense. It does not
say, "eating too much meat causes...."
so, if you don't mind, please pay
attention before telling us we are
wrong.
Thanks for you
reply.
when did I start trying to insult you?
Quote me.
Why are you're getting so concerned? It's
not like i'm posing a threat to society by
telling them to be aware of the amount of
meat they eat.
Again I repeat, the information was
obtained from a professional website, what
knowledge do you have to falsify it? If
you're going to be so immature by picking
out little nitbits from the sentences in
order to prove yourself right and argue
about something you can't even back up,
then I suggest we should just end this
conversation.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 05-12-05 18:11pm
I'm being immature? Why is that exactly?
Because I simply stated that you didn't
say those things were caused by eating too
much meat, but simply by eating meat?
Why are you getting so defensive? You
need to calm down there buddy. Trust me,
no one is "concerned" about your post but
you.
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Posted: 05-14-05 02:26am
hotasfrick
wrote:
i'm being immature? Why
is that exactly? Because I simply
stated that you didn't say those things
were caused by eating too much meat, but
simply by eating meat? Why are you
getting so defensive? You need to
calm down there buddy. Trust me, no
one is "concerned" about your post but
you.
obviously i'm concerned, i'm concerned
about my dad's health, that's what
prompted me to create this thread in the
first place.
Now tell me, did you actually think by
reading that statement that just by eating
meat you'll immediately inherit all those
symtoms? This thread is about my dad
consuming too much meat. Did you not
have the slightest idea that the
information might of had a connection with
the main topic? You couldn't even
understand something so simplistic without
having me state it perfectly clear for
you? What am i, talking to a 3 year
old here? You're the one that needs to
calm down and stop complicating something
so simple.
Just tell yourself, I refuse to believe in
that load of cr*p and move on.
:)
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 05-15-05 12:20pm
Why don't you just stop being insulting
and realize that you posted it incorrectly
in the first place?
And you know darn well that when I said no
one is concerned but you, I wasn't
referring to your dad's health. Come on
now.
You said, that consuming meat causes, blah
blah. You did not say that consuming too
much meat causes, blah blah. Just accept
that for goodness sakes. Should I have
just known what you meant? I'm not
psychic now. And if you would read even
just some of the posts by people on here
you would know that you cannot assume
anything. You have to go with what was
actually stated. So sorry for not just
knowing what you meant.
Don't you realize that by calling me
immature and asking if you are dealing
with a 3 year old and drudging up this
nonsense over and over you are making
yourself look like the childish one?
If you are concerned about your dad's
health then talk to him about it. But,
the bottom line is it is his life and his
body and if he wants to eat lots of meat
that is his god-given right.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Re: Please Help..a Topic About Meat.. Posted: 05-15-05 14:21pm
jamiebelly
wrote:
how much meat should a
person consume on an average day?..What
are some side effects if an excessive
amount is taken?..
My dad is a big man, I mean he doesn't
weigh too much weight wise..But he has a
noticebly big stomach..The thing is he
loves to eat. I mean you won't see him
filling up on junk food..But his meals are
huge, especially for supper..The thing
that bothers me the most is his excessive
meat intake..Like when we're having steak,
he would have his on one of the large
plates..And the rest of his meal
(vegetable,potatoes..Etc) on another..I'm
afraid this will eventually lead to
problems with his health..I've tried
convincing him but he only gets angry,
scaring him by listing diseases..Nothing
works..What should I do?..
Here are some facts for some of you
meat-lovers out there:
meat causes - rheumatism, arthritis and
gout (uric acid buildup)
meat causes - cancer - (liver & kidney
breakdown from too much protein)
meat causes - homosexuality in males.
(excessive testosterone over several
generations)
(meat causes masculine homosexual)
meat causes - masculinity in women - hair
on their arms and legs, deeper voice.
Destroys their true feminists and makes
them bossy and stubborn. Many women from
the back look like boys.
Meat causes - high blood pressure breaks
down the blood vessel's.
Meat causes headaches &
far-sightedness, meat together with excess
sugar and too much close work cause
nearsightedness.
where in the world did you get this
malarke? I don't believe that you have
even one actual fact within your diagnosis
of disease from meat consumption. Next to
soy protien, meat is the only way that you
can get all of the amino acids necessary
for muscle growth and healing. Meat
provides an excellent source of iron and
in specfic pork provides a fantastic
supply of multiple b vitamins, not all of
the b's but thiamin and folate are
provided by pork. If your father is
eating an entire plate full of meat, he is
putting himself at risk for heart problems
due to the amount of ldl cholesteral
contained in many red meats.
Hotasfrick and nutrigirl2775 have done a
fantastic job of debunking your post but I
do feel it needs just a few more facts to
make it look even worse!
Without the use of meat as a source of
protein, you would need to make sure to
have a diet rich with soy-based products
and increase your daily intake of
vegetables and nuts/legumes to more than
2x's the daily recommended amount because
of the lack of pure proteins and also the
vitamins and minerals provided by eating
senseable portions of meat.
Senseable = 3 to 5 ounces of meat 2 to 3
times a day.
Meat = beef, pork, chicken, and fish.
Fish is really great because of the omega
3 fatty acids.....(also not tied to
homosexuality)
im sorry but I cannot even go on in this
thread because I don't know if you will
ever understand what is being told to you.
That is truly the most amazing of all
nutrition posts I have ever seen.
:shock:
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Re: Please Help..a Topic About Meat.. Posted: 05-16-05 18:06pm
tamadrummer
wrote:
jamiebelly
wrote:
how much meat should a
person consume on an average day?..What
are some side effects if an excessive
amount is taken?..
My dad is a big man, I mean he doesn't
weigh too much weight wise..But he has a
noticebly big stomach..The thing is he
loves to eat. I mean you won't see him
filling up on junk food..But his meals are
huge, especially for supper..The thing
that bothers me the most is his excessive
meat intake..Like when we're having steak,
he would have his on one of the large
plates..And the rest of his meal
(vegetable,potatoes..Etc) on another..I'm
afraid this will eventually lead to
problems with his health..I've tried
convincing him but he only gets angry,
scaring him by listing diseases..Nothing
works..What should I do?..
Here are some facts for some of you
meat-lovers out there:
meat causes - rheumatism, arthritis and
gout (uric acid buildup)
meat causes - cancer - (liver & kidney
breakdown from too much protein)
meat causes - homosexuality in males.
(excessive testosterone over several
generations)
(meat causes masculine homosexual)
meat causes - masculinity in women - hair
on their arms and legs, deeper voice.
Destroys their true feminists and makes
them bossy and stubborn. Many women
from the back look like boys.
Meat causes - high blood pressure breaks
down the blood vessel's.
Meat causes headaches &
far-sightedness, meat together with excess
sugar and too much close work cause
nearsightedness.
where in the world did you get this
malarke? I don't believe that you have
even one actual fact within your diagnosis
of disease from meat consumption. Next
to soy protien, meat is the only way that
you can get all of the amino acids
necessary for muscle growth and healing.
Meat provides an excellent source of iron
and in specfic pork provides a fantastic
supply of multiple b vitamins, not all of
the b's but thiamin and folate are
provided by pork. If your father is
eating an entire plate full of meat, he is
putting himself at risk for heart problems
due to the amount of ldl cholesteral
contained in many red meats.
Hotasfrick and nutrigirl2775 have done a
fantastic job of debunking your post but I
do feel it needs just a few more facts to
make it look even worse!
Without the use of meat as a source of
protein, you would need to make sure to
have a diet rich with soy-based products
and increase your daily intake of
vegetables and nuts/legumes to more than
2x's the daily recommended amount because
of the lack of pure proteins and also the
vitamins and minerals provided by eating
senseable portions of meat.
Senseable = 3 to 5 ounces of meat 2 to 3
times a day.
Meat = beef, pork, chicken, and fish.
Fish is really great because of the omega
3 fatty acids.....(also not tied to
homosexuality)
im sorry but I cannot even go on in this
thread because I don't know if you will
ever understand what is being told to you.
That is truly the most amazing of all
nutrition posts I have ever seen.
:shock:
the information may only be true for those
who consume too much consistantly. Why
are you writing an essay on the positive
components of meat? No kidding meat is
rich in protein and minerals, no kidding
meat provides an excellent source of
nutrition for the body!! No on is saying
anything about completely eliminating meat
consumption. Get in through your head!
Please provide any link to professional
knowledge if you would like to falsify the
posted information. If not, don't just
assume it may be false just because it
sounds far-fetched.
Thank you for your reply.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-16-05 20:07pm
I don't think I can find any links tying
meat to homosexuality/masculinty since it
is not in any way tied to any research
that any compotent research
company/facility would embark in.
As a college student, I just completed
nutrition 220 at the university of phoenix
and so it is easy for me to provide more
then adequate information with regard to
the nutritional value in meat consumption.
However, finding anything to substantiate
your ties of meat to sexuality would be
totaly impossible. You are right when you
say that eating certian meats can but are
not guarenteed to increase the risk of
heart disease and other forms of cancer.
On the other hand, it is far more likly
that you will get ill from not eating meat
or soy to provide your system with the
protiens necessary for healthy blood
production and muscle healing and growth.
This debate is so rediculous because I
have no way to substantiate most of your
points but all of mine can be verified on
why don't you just stop
being insulting and realize that you
posted it incorrectly in the first place?
You said, that consuming meat causes, blah
blah. You did not say that consuming
too much meat causes, blah blah. Just
accept that for goodness sakes. Should
I have just known what you meant? I'm
not psychic now.
again,
'did you not have the slightest idea that
the information might of had a connection
with the main topic?' 'you couldn't even
understand something so simplistic without
having me state it perfectly clear for
you?'
if you think you need to be psychic to
comprehend that, my gosh, how do you
manage to get through the day?
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Jamiebelly
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
Posted: 05-17-05 04:21am
tamadrummer
wrote:
i don't think I can find any
links tying meat to
homosexuality/masculinty since it is not
in any way tied to any research that any
compotent research company/facility would
embark in.
As a college student, I just completed
nutrition 220 at the university of phoenix
and so it is easy for me to provide more
then adequate information with regard to
the nutritional value in meat consumption.
However, finding anything to substantiate
your ties of meat to sexuality would be
totaly impossible. You are right when
you say that eating certian meats can but
are not guarenteed to increase the risk of
heart disease and other forms of cancer.
On the other hand, it is far more likly
that you will get ill from not eating meat
or soy to provide your system with the
protiens necessary for healthy blood
production and muscle healing and growth.
This debate is so rediculous because I
have no way to substantiate most of your
points but all of mine can be verified on
you cannot always base your knowledge on
education. Unless you can provide
accurate, confirmed facts that meat does
not affect sexuality, please don't jump to
conclusions that it would be 'totaly
impossible.'
'on the other hand, it is far more likly
that you will get ill from not eating meat
or soy to provide your system with the
protiens necessary for healthy blood
production and muscle healing and
growth.'
please stay on topic. There's no need to
provide extra information all the time
that is unrelated to the present concerned
issue. Again, I repeat 'no one is saying
anything about completely eliminating meat
consumption,' and that the information was
obtained from a professional website,
where facts were assessed by natural food
scientists and dieticians. Stop refering
it to 'my points' or 'my ties to meat.'
obviously you can varify your info, you're
just listing general, proven facts.
'meat or soy to provide your system with
proteins' oh, who knew. :roll:
not once have I said I believe the facts
that I have posted, but just because
something may sound inaccessible, doesn't
make it fictitious. Everyone is so sure
that excessive meat intake can never be
linked to homosexuality/masculinity in
women. Though, what evidence do you have
to say this is inaccurate? I've already
mentioned that I have consulted with a
doctor and he indicated that testosterone
concentration can be increased by those
consuming a high-protein, meat-containing
diet, due to it's influence by saturated
fats. Because meat can alter your
hormones, he concluded that meat can
indeed lead to increased hair growth,
strength, and deeper voices in women.
Call it masculinity if you want, but it is
true that meat does increase testosterone
synthesis in both sexes. Anyways, the
bottom line is eating too much meat can
lead to future health problems. Whether
the facts are accurate or not, all i'm
trying to get through to people is just be
aware of the amount of meat you consume.
i'm finished with this thread. It seems
like i'm just being repetitive.
Thank you for all those who've replied.
I guess i'll just try harder to convince
my daddy to eat less. :d
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 05-17-05 07:41am
I will concede the point of increased risk
of cancer for the 2nd time. You chose
only to qoute portions of the last message
I posted.
You have done a fine job of verifying the
already known "fact" that eating meat in
any amount not in large or small amounts
but in any amount depending on the
genetics of the person, can increase the
rate of colon cancer. Good job I have
said that over and over as well.
Provide anything factual and science based
other then the private conversation you
have with your doctor that eating meat
effects sexuality.
I have searched on google, yahoo and lycos
search engines and have come up with
nothing to substantiate with scientific
"fact" and research that eating meat
effects sexuality in any
way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not myth but fact has to be used, and not
your doctors own field study that has no
scientific basis other then he/she carries
the title of doctor.
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 05-18-05 09:16am
You will never get the point, so there is
no point in wasting our time. Good luck
trying to find someone to believe this
nonsense!
