Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 433 Location: Houston, TX
I Have a Question Posted: 05-16-05 23:07pm
I have always thought that I was pro-life,
but because of my never ending threads
with steen, I am not quite sure. I
believe that a woman has the right to keep
or terminate a pregnancy but under certain
circumstances (just because you dont want
a baby not being one). My mother had an
abortion when I was 3 because she was
severely depressed and needed medication
that would have harmed the baby. Joss
(the baby) already had something wronge
with him, and my mother had to choose
between joss or her 3 year old and her
sanity. Obviously she chose us and had
the abortion so she could get the
medication to help her get well. The
thing is I agree with my mothers decision.
Of coarse in my case I would never have
thought twice about an abortion even
though I am 17 and have cervical cancer.
My doctor told me that I could carry my
daughter without any side effects to her
or myself, other than having to have my
cervix removed after my pregnancy. I am
now 35 weeks pregnant and praying every
night that I go into labor! Lol, my
question is; by me agreeing with my
mothers choice and accepting that in some
situations you gotta do what you gotta do,
does that make me pro-choice?
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 05-17-05 00:47am
Hi there! Your mom did what she felt was
right @ the time and you are doing what
you feel is right. Being pro-choice does
not mean that we are 100% for abortion, we
believe in choice, we do not know what
that other woman is going thru, she might
be thinking that that thing inside of her
is poison and if she were to have it she
would mame it, not feed it abuse it, I
have seen alot of this, we do not know the
whole story, their are women in this world
that are deathly afraid of babies and
children, I have seen this too, we are not
walking in these women's shoes, you can be
whatever you want to be but we as
pro-choice allow pregnant females to have
their choice.
Sincerely,
sandy
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BaByMaMa2005
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Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 433 Location: Houston, TX
Posted: 05-17-05 13:49pm
Well lets see, the reason that I am
wishing to go into labor is because for
one if you have ever been pregnant you
would then realize how uncomfortable it is
in the last month, plus I went into
pre-term labor with my daughter at 26
weeks, no one thought that I would have
lasted this long and my daughter was given
plenty of steriods so that if she had been
born early then she would be just as good
as a full-term baby. My doctor is
actually going to induce me in a few weeks
if I dont deliver first.
I know I shouldnt have asked this question
because, well, your total lack of
compassion in your answer is suprisingly
what I expected! At least steen cares
about what he stands for, this has only
brought me to the conclusion that he is a
better man than I gave him credit for.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 05-17-05 15:00pm
Hey babymomma2005 congrats on your
daughter i'll bet you are getting excited
huh?
Anyway---you can be pro-life for yourself
(as in you would never have an abortion)
but you can be pro-choice for other people
(as in they do what they do and you don't
worry either way). I know alot of people
like that.
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BaByMaMa2005
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 433 Location: Houston, TX
Posted: 05-17-05 15:16pm
pcforme
wrote:
babymama2005
wrote:
well lets see, the reason
that I am wishing to go into labor is
because for one if you have ever been
pregnant you would then realize how
uncomfortable it is in the last month,
plus I went into pre-term labor with my
daughter at 26 weeks, no one thought that
I would have lasted this long and my
daughter was given plenty of steriods so
that if she had been born early then she
would be just as good as a full-term baby.
My doctor is actually going to induce
me in a few weeks if I dont deliver first.
I know I shouldnt have asked this question
because, well, your total lack of
compassion in your answer is suprisingly
what I expected! At least steen cares
about what he stands for, this has only
brought me to the
conclusion that he is a better man than I
gave him credit
for.
whatever @@ I do know that premature
babies have major health issues. At
least try to hold off on being induced
until 38 weeks. You do know that until
37 weeks gestation, the lungs aren't
developed fully? You do care about your
unborn "child", right? I would never in
a million years have wished for a
premature
child.
well if my doctor seems to think that my
baby is ready for delivery, than I think
i'm going to take her advice. As I said
before my daughter was given steriods to
help her lungs mature faster. I also have
my own reasons for wanting to deliver
sooner, I was informed by the md anderson
cancer center that if I delivered within
the next few weeks I might not have to
loose my whole cervix, so that if I find a
husband in the future I can have another
child if we choose to. Bella is also way
over the weight limit that would keep her
in the hospital if I delivered soon, so I
would be able to take her home when I went
home.
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BaByMaMa2005
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 433 Location: Houston, TX
Posted: 05-17-05 15:18pm
Thank you mom2trevor and sandy, y'all have
really helped me to relize that I dont
have to be either, I just have relize that
what was good for me might not have been
good for someone else.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 05-17-05 15:18pm
babymama2005
wrote:
pcforme
wrote:
babymama2005
wrote:
well lets see, the reason
that I am wishing to go into labor is
because for one if you have ever been
pregnant you would then realize how
uncomfortable it is in the last month,
plus I went into pre-term labor with my
daughter at 26 weeks, no one thought that
I would have lasted this long and my
daughter was given plenty of steriods so
that if she had been born early then she
would be just as good as a full-term baby.
My doctor is actually going to induce
me in a few weeks if I dont deliver first.
I know I shouldnt have asked this question
because, well, your total lack of
compassion in your answer is suprisingly
what I expected! At least steen cares
about what he stands for, this has only
brought me to the
conclusion that he is a better man than I
gave him credit
for.
whatever @@ I do know that premature
babies have major health issues. At
least try to hold off on being induced
until 38 weeks. You do know that until
37 weeks gestation, the lungs aren't
developed fully? You do care about
your unborn "child", right? I would
never in a million years have wished for a
premature
child.
well if my doctor seems to think that my
baby is ready for delivery, than I think
i'm going to take her advice. As I said
before my daughter was given steriods to
help her lungs mature faster. I also
have my own reasons for wanting to deliver
sooner, I was informed by the md anderson
cancer center that if I delivered within
the next few weeks I might not have to
loose my whole cervix, so that if I find a
husband in the future I can have another
child if we choose to. Bella is also way
over the weight limit that would keep her
in the hospital if I delivered soon, so I
would be able to take her home when I went
home.
i can understand you wanting to deliver
early I think I would opt for inducment as
well.
Bella will be just fine my twins were born
at 30 weeks babies are very resiliant
:wink:
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 05-18-05 06:13am
[quote="pcforme]
well, I hope all goes well. I
personally would not take the chance, but
it is your body and your choice, not
mine.[/quote]
actually as she is 35 weeks she could give
birth to a healthy baby anytime from 1
week on. Even without the steroids. As
she was given steroids for bella's lungs
to mature, bella would be fine even now.
She's over 5 lbs and all. I am 34 1/2
weeks preggers with a lil boy who is
already 5 1/2 lbs and it is extremelly
uncomfortable, so I know exactly where she
is coming from.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 05-18-05 11:07am
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
actually as she is 35 weeks
she could give birth to a healthy baby
anytime from 1 week
on.
actually, no, a full term fetus is
considered 37 weeks gestation. And if
she really cared about her current
pregnancy, she wouldn't cut short the
gestation time for selfish reasons. But
I guess as long as you are pro "life" it
is ok to have a right over your body,
huh?
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
even without the steroids.
As she was given steroids for bella's
lungs to mature, bella would be fine even
now. She's over 5 lbs and all. I
am 34 1/2 weeks preggers with a lil boy
who is already 5 1/2 lbs and it is
extremelly uncomfortable, so I know
exactly where she is coming
from.
so do i. And guess what? My future
child's development came before my
comfort. Too bad you and your fellow
pro "lifers" can't say the same. And
giving steroids means something is wrong.
Healthy full term babies don't need
drugs to live. Sick babies need drugs.
Glad I was selfish enough to let my
pregnancy go the way nature intended.
Too bad you ladies can't say the
same.
i was at my doc's yesterday and he told me
anything from 36 weeks on is fine!!!! As
for babymama2005 and the steroids, it's
more to do with medical reasons, she has
cancer!! They are trying to save a part
of her so she can have future children as
she is still very young.
Us ladies, my pregnancy is going the way
nature intended, no drugs nothing for me,
so why don't you learn to shut your
judgemental f-ing mouth, health forum.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 05-18-05 11:21am
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
actually as she is 35 weeks
she could give birth to a healthy baby
anytime from 1 week
on.
actually, no, a full term fetus is
considered 37 weeks gestation. And if
she really cared about her current
pregnancy, she wouldn't cut short the
gestation time for selfish reasons. But
I guess as long as you are pro "life" it
is ok to have a right over your body,
huh?
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
even without the steroids.
As she was given steroids for bella's
lungs to mature, bella would be fine even
now. She's over 5 lbs and all. I
am 34 1/2 weeks preggers with a lil boy
who is already 5 1/2 lbs and it is
extremelly uncomfortable, so I know
exactly where she is coming
from.
so do i. And guess what? My future
child's development came before my
comfort. Too bad you and your fellow
pro "lifers" can't say the same. And
giving steroids means something is wrong.
Healthy full term babies don't need
drugs to live. Sick babies need drugs.
Glad I was selfish enough to let my
pregnancy go the way nature intended.
Too bad you ladies can't say the
same.
pc--noone said that 35 weeks was full
term. Twisting again I see. So according
to you she is selfish because she has
cancer and wants to do what is best for
her and her baby.
Wow--you actually let your pregnancy
continue..I'm shocked with your attitude.
My pregnancy was 100% natural until
complications beyond my control started to
risk my sons health and my own health so
yeah I can say the same.
Babies can be born sick even if they are
full term and babies can be born healthy
at 35 weeks...What's your point?
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 05-18-05 11:25am
Uh-oh blaze you've been tattled on....Ahhh
elementary school all over again.....
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 05-18-05 11:30am
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
i was at my doc's yesterday
and he told me anything from 36 weeks on
is fine!
he is lying then. Do some research on
your own for a change.
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
as for babymama2005 and the
steroids, it's more to do with medical
reasons, she has cancer!! They are
trying to save a part of her so she can
have future children as she is still very
young.
and? When her future child is old
enough to understand that he is sickly
because she was more interested in future
pregnancies instead of his health, what is
she going to say? She choose to
continue the pregnancy. You claim to be
pro life. Act like it.
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
us ladies, my pregnancy is
going the way nature intended, no drugs
nothing for me, so why don't you learn to
shut your judgemental f-ing mouth, health
forum.
i can judge what I want. I'm not the
one risking my pregnancy for my selfish
reasons.
Your post was send to admin for tos
violations.
i trust my doc more than the internet,
sorry I must be stupid or something.
Where have I claimed to be pro-life??
You don't know what I am.
Risking her pregnancy for selfish
reasons?? Her life and future, damn
girl. Oh and send my post to admin, i've
already been banned and brought back by
popular demand, so...If you weren't some
ignorant newbie, you;d know that. Should
I send all your nasty posts to admin and
say oh ban her please, maybe I can e-mail
the head honcho again like I did when I
was banned. Oh but wait i'm not an
immature tattle tale so nah I won't
bother. Grow up and grow some cojones!
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 05-18-05 11:32am
babymama2005
wrote:
pcforme
wrote:
babymama2005
wrote:
well lets see, the reason
that I am wishing to go into labor is
because for one if you have ever been
pregnant you would then realize how
uncomfortable it is in the last month,
plus I went into pre-term labor with my
daughter at 26 weeks, no one thought that
I would have lasted this long and my
daughter was given plenty of steriods so
that if she had been born early then she
would be just as good as a full-term baby.
My doctor is actually going to induce
me in a few weeks if I dont deliver first.
I know I shouldnt have asked this question
because, well, your total lack of
compassion in your answer is suprisingly
what I expected! At least steen cares
about what he stands for, this has only
brought me to the
conclusion that he is a better man than I
gave him credit
for.
whatever @@ I do know that premature
babies have major health issues. At
least try to hold off on being induced
until 38 weeks. You do know that until
37 weeks gestation, the lungs aren't
developed fully? You do care about
your unborn "child", right? I would
never in a million years have wished for a
premature
child.
well if my doctor seems to think that my
baby is ready for delivery, than I think
i'm going to take her advice. As I said
before my daughter was given steriods to
help her lungs mature faster. I also
have my own reasons for wanting to deliver
sooner, I was informed by the md anderson
cancer center that if I delivered within
the next few weeks I might not have to
loose my whole cervix, so that if I find a
husband in the future I can have another
child if we choose to. Bella is also way
over the weight limit that would keep her
in the hospital if I delivered soon, so I
would be able to take her home when I went
home.
did you not read her post?? "well if my
doctor seems to think that my baby is
ready for delivery, that I think I am
going to take her advice"
did you miss that part? Selective reading
how pro-choice of you.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 05-18-05 12:33pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
babymama2005
wrote:
pcforme
wrote:
babymama2005
wrote:
well lets see, the reason
that I am wishing to go into labor is
because for one if you have ever been
pregnant you would then realize how
uncomfortable it is in the last month,
plus I went into pre-term labor with my
daughter at 26 weeks, no one thought that
I would have lasted this long and my
daughter was given plenty of steriods so
that if she had been born early then she
would be just as good as a full-term baby.
My doctor is actually going to induce
me in a few weeks if I dont deliver first.
I know I shouldnt have asked this question
because, well, your total lack of
compassion in your answer is suprisingly
what I expected! At least steen cares
about what he stands for, this has only
brought me to the
conclusion that he is a better man than I
gave him credit
for.
whatever @@ I do know that premature
babies have major health issues. At
least try to hold off on being induced
until 38 weeks. You do know that
until 37 weeks gestation, the lungs aren't
developed fully? You do care about
your unborn "child", right? I would
never in a million years have wished for a
premature
child.
well if my doctor seems to think that my
baby is ready for delivery, than I think
i'm going to take her advice. As I said
before my daughter was given steriods to
help her lungs mature faster. I also
have my own reasons for wanting to deliver
sooner, I was informed by the md anderson
cancer center that if I delivered within
the next few weeks I might not have to
loose my whole cervix, so that if I find a
husband in the future I can have another
child if we choose to. Bella is also
way over the weight limit that would keep
her in the hospital if I delivered soon,
so I would be able to take her home when I
went home.
did you not read her post?? "well if my
doctor seems to think that my baby is
ready for delivery, that I think I am
going to take her advice"
did you miss that part? Selective
reading how pro-choice of
you.
..
Pro choice know better than a doctor
have'nt you learnt that yet,and the bit
about prem babies being sickly is just bs
we have had three and they have had less
medical problems than the others.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 05-18-05 12:51pm
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
i trust my doc more than the
internet, sorry I must be stupid or
something.
you must be... That is why people get
things called second opinions.
Doctor's are perfect.
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
where have I claimed to be
pro-life?? You don't know what I
am.
sure. Your posts reek pl.
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
risking her pregnancy for
selfish reasons?? Her life and
future, damn girl. Oh and send my
post to admin, i've already been banned
and brought back by popular demand,
so...If you weren't some ignorant newbie,
you;d know that. Should I send all
your nasty posts to admin and say oh ban
her please, maybe I can e-mail the head
honcho again like I did when I was banned.
Oh but wait i'm not an immature
tattle tale so nah I won't bother.
Grow up and grow some
cojones!
her "life"? No, just her future
fertility. Guess her poor fetus will
learn the lesson of her selfishness.
Tos'd.
all this from someone who holds no value
to the life of a baby/fetus.
How the hell can you sit there judging
anyone for putting medical treatment first
when her child is perfectly viable is
beyond me what happend to pc's favorite
argument that the mother holds more value
than the baby/fetus ?
You hypocrite.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 05-18-05 12:59pm
pcforme
wrote:
fishx
wrote:
all this from someone who
holds no value to the life of a
baby/fetus.
exactly how do you plan to prove I hold no
value for the life of a fetus?
fishx
wrote:
how the hell can you sit
there judging anyone for putting medical
treatment first when her child is
perfectly viable is beyond me what happend
to pc's favorite argument that the mother
holds more value than the baby/fetus ?
You
hypocrite.
actually, it is me that is fighting for
selfish pl'ers like this to give birth
early. It is you that is the
hypocrite. You should care more about
the fact that she is delivering early and
risking the fetus' health, not i.
Funny how the pl'ers here are not
concerned with the fetus, yet I am.
Lol
who is watching your children while you
and dh sit online all
day?
she has to deliver early so she can start
her treatment or are medical reasons only
valid if you want to terminate .
You are the one that has been arguing the
toss about the mothers life being of more
value not me you stupid phsycotic health
forum.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 05-18-05 13:20pm
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
i trust my doc more than the
internet, sorry I must be stupid or
something.
you must be... That is why people get
things called second opinions. Doctor's
are perfect.
Tos'd.
are you really that ignorant? As I see 2
doc's and a nurse every time I go to the
doc's I trust their 3 opinions before the
net. You are a real piece of work, why
don;t you go walk out your penthouse
window?
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 05-18-05 13:22pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
pcforme
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
i trust my doc more than the
internet, sorry I must be stupid or
something.
you must be... That is why people get
things called second opinions.
Doctor's are perfect.
Tos'd.
are you really that ignorant? As I see
2 doc's and a nurse every time I go to the
doc's I trust their 3 opinions before the
net. You are a real piece of work, why
don;t you go walk out your penthouse
window?
.
What her double decker bus lol
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 05-18-05 13:31pm
[quote="pcforme"][quote="fishx"]she has to
deliver early so she can start her
treatment or are medical reasons only
valid if you want to terminate .
Wrong. She wants to deliver early so
she can have more children in the future.
Maybe your husband should be calling you
the illeterate one.
Babymama2005 wrote: I also have my own
reasons for wanting to deliver sooner, I
was informed by the md anderson cancer
center that if I delivered within the next
few weeks I might not have to loose my
whole cervix, so that if I find a husband
in the future I can have another child if
we choose to. Bella is also way over the
weight limit that would keep her in the
hospital if I delivered soon, so I would
be able to take her home when I went
home.
Quote:
the fetus isn't in danger... Neither is
her life. She wants to have more
illegitamate children in the future and
that is more important than her current
pregnancy.
i can't get over what a dog you are.
She's 17 years old, she's lucky to be
having bella but has a right to want more
children if she can have them. She
didn't say she was gonna pull the baby out
herself early, only have her early if her
docs think it is the right thing to do.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 05-18-05 13:34pm
[quote="pcforme"][quote="fishx"]she has to
deliver early so she can start her
treatment or are medical reasons only
valid if you want to terminate .
Wrong. She wants to deliver early so
she can have more children in the future.
Maybe your husband should be calling you
the illeterate one.
Babymama2005 wrote: I also have my own
reasons for wanting to deliver sooner, I
was informed by the md anderson cancer
center that if I delivered within the next
few weeks I might not have to loose my
whole cervix, so that if I find a husband
in the future I can have another child if
we choose to. Bella is also way over the
weight limit that would keep her in the
hospital if I delivered soon, so I would
be able to take her home when I went
home.
Quote:
the fetus isn't in danger... Neither is
her life. She wants to have more
illegitamate children in the future and
that is more important than her current
pregnancy.
and what do you call having half of your
cervix removed if not having treatment ?
Do you actualy know how fast a cancer can
spread?
Now if she had terminated her pregnancy to
receive trearment you would be defending
her to the death.
I think the fact that cancer can claim a
life in a matter of weeks and she want's
her child to have a mother to love her is
her main priorty right now .
Whether her child is illegitamate has
nothing to do with this debate and I think
your referal to it really lets the pro
choice side down.
You really are one sick little puppy.
