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bd1012

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Abortion Is Responsible And Selfless.
Posted: 05-17-05 19:37pm

This is just a rambling post just so I can get my beliefs out there. I've been thinking about this and I truly think that abortion is far from irresponsible and selfish.. I think it's the exact opposite. I mean.. How responsible is it to find out your pregnant and to go ahead with bringing a life into this world that you know you have no intentions of taking care of and just handing it to other people to take care of? It's like... Here, I made this mess.. You clean it up. Yes there are people out there willing to adopt but what if there wasn't? You can't force a child on a unwilling person.. I know I sure as hell aint putting myself at risk for osteoporosis and having a sore arm for a day for shits and giggles.. I do it so I don't get pregnant and end up raising a child so under no circumstances while I am on this depo.. Will I end up doing that, every pregnancy will be aborted and any child that I don't know that maybe dropped at my doorstep will be taken to a hospital to be adopted.. Chances are those will never happen but i'm just saying. I think I am exempt from the obligation of pregnancy and parenthood as long as any form of birth control is being used and in my system. As far as selfishness.. I think it's selfish for people to have kids and keep them knowing they can't afford them or care for them and just think "oh well my sister will help me out" or "well worst comes to worst.. My oldest daughter will just take care of them when I can't".. No.. If you are going to have a kid.. You take care of it.. If someone is willing to help should they need come.. Fine.. But don't ever think you are entitled or assume that people have to donate their time and money to help you out cuz you were too irresponsible to have an abortion or adopt it out to a willing and volunteering family or person who can take care of it. Just cuz you maybe ready for kids..Doesn't mean society is so you make sure that child is taken care of.. And not just expect that you can leech off others. I know I said I am prochoice and for the most part I am but your freedom depends on your independence and if you keeping the child is going to lead to leeching off other people, (and I don't mean people who willingly stepped in and said they would be glad to help but people who feel obligated) then it's either abortion or adoption.. And if no ones willing to adopt, then either have an abortion or do your damndest to raise that kid on your own and accept help only from willing people and not people you guilt tripped into helping. I know I sound like a health forum but it's not right to expect other people to clean up after your mess.. I don't care if people should feel morally obligated to it or not... Help is a privelege.. Not a right necessarily. Now chances are that there will always be people out there to lend a helping hand and that's fine with me.. I'm just saying you shouldn't think you are entitled to people's time and property but dont' worry..I'm sure we wont' be up in shits creek with everybody tending to their own needs and not helping others, there will always be people out there willing to help and again.. That is fine as long as it's voluntarily. Anyway.. Back on topic.. I personally think abortion is the best thing you could do for a upp or at least not as bad as pl's make it seem. This comes from my cynical view of the world and life.. I happen to think that life is caca and I would have rather remained in my blissful serene nonexistance then be brought to the boring mundane existance we call life.. Where you to have to work soooooo hard to make a decent living and meanwhile dodge the caca from people who justt want to make your life difficult..Frankly I don't see the point and to me all abortion is is just cutting to the chase.. And if you christian pls are right.. Then it is innocent and will go straight to heaven.. Wow.. Now who wouldn't want to skip this bs we call life and go straight to heaven if it exists? I know I would... Compared to hell at least. I'm agnostic so I don't know what the afterlife will bring in case you were wondering... I can tell you what I want it to be and that's nothing but a long peastful sleep with an option to reincarnate in case for some odd reason you want to go back to earth.. To each their own I guess.. I don't care who the hell you are.. You deserve a rest after this bs called life.. Not an eternity of torture because you didn't choose the right religion.. :roll: that's bs. If this god wants people to obey him so bad and love him.. Stop dancing around the bush and playing.. "do I exist or dont' i.. Hmmm.. Who knows.. Pick the wrong answer and your sol.. Teehee" :roll: anyway.. Like I said.. Because of this belief I have.. Think it's kind of selfish to rip a soul from it's peaceful nonexistance and bring it to earth to play this stupid game and put it at risk of an eternity of torture because you want to play house and have something to cuddle and call your own..But hey.. That's just me and I am not going to go around beating pregnant women to give them miscarriages and I don't hate people who ttc. Anyway.. That's my beliefs.. Feel free to berate me and call me depressed and whatever else you would call someone with me beliefs.. I'm bored..I could use some debate right now.. Go at it if you have the energy after reading this novel. Lol
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 05-17-05 21:26pm

Those are your opinions. There really isn't anything to debate. Though I can say that you and are 100% opposite. I love life. I think it's a precious amazing gift and I think everyone should be able experience it.
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bd1012

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Posted: 05-17-05 21:31pm

mom2trevor wrote:
those are your opinions. There really isn't anything to debate. Though I can say that you and are 100% opposite. I love life. I think it's a precious amazing gift and I think everyone should be able experience it.

aww come on.. Tell me i'm crazy and selfish and whatever.. Throw me a bone here..Lol..
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 05-17-05 22:03pm

**throws bone**

good grief what is wrong with you? Are you depressed? Do you like marilyn manson or something? Do you need help? You are insane....And soooo selfish...How could you? I mean really how could you say those horrible things...Lol..There is that better?

By the way--love manson...Just being dramatic...Haha...
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Kia

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Posted: 05-18-05 04:28am

Ok i'm confused - brandy I thought you were pro-life??
What did I miss lol
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lil_blaze2004

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Posted: 05-18-05 05:55am

kia_breizzze wrote:
ok i'm confused - brandy I thought you were pro-life??

What did I miss lol


brandy is not pro-life. I think she used to be but then some people turned her-lol.

Brandy is pro-brandy-:wink:
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steen

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Posted: 05-18-05 08:03am

Miauuu.
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lil_blaze2004

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Posted: 05-18-05 11:08am

steen wrote:
miauuu.


prrrrrrrr. Brandy will know I was just busting her chops. Lol
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 05-18-05 11:16am

The reason I didn't debate with bd (my second post was in a joke manner) is because I respect her opinion..She is 100% entitled to it. She isn't a health forum about her opinion.
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sandyallen

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Posted: 05-18-05 20:40pm

I respect your opinion bd 100%.
I love life! I do not like liars and cheats! I do not hate! I help people.
If you love children, have them, love them and support them, don't depend on the welfare system.
I am pro-choice because I believe in choice and that does not mean that I am not 100% for abortion.
Sincerely,
sandy
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bd1012

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Posted: 06-14-05 18:15pm

Bump for trina
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trina1

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Posted: 06-14-05 18:21pm

bd1012 wrote:
bump for trina


ahhhhh....I am honored. I disagree 100%...But that is my opinion....Which I have stated before. To me....All human life is precious. That being said....You are entitled to your opinion and on this....We will have to agree to disagree.
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bd1012

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Posted: 06-14-05 20:30pm

jlee77 wrote:
i disagree bd. Life is precious. Hopefully someday you will experience something to feel that way as well. Maybe you just need to find the way. Nobody said you have to be religious to do so, although I personally feel it makes it that much easier.

I do have to comment on something you said though. Yell at me or say "ok I respect your opinion", have it how you will.

You quoted "here, I made this mess, clean it up".

What is the difference with seeking out an abortion for a mistaken pregnancy? Your cleaning the problem up with abortion, am I right?!

yes it is but it dosen't nearly require as much effort and the person doing it is being compensated for doing it by being paid either by you or the government or whatever..
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bd1012

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Posted: 06-14-05 20:33pm

And you all may think life is precious.. But I fail to see that from where i"m at.. Right now I see around me right now.. People working their ass off and constantly having to dodge caca and right now we just got majorly betrayed and becuase of it..Alot of our money that is in no way disposable.. Has gone to waste and we don't know if we can get it back.. All I see right now is people working their asses off to make ends meet while being raped by the government and trying to deal with life's caca. I see nothing precious.. I see a life full of struglling ahead.. And as far as the nonmaterial things go.. I'm emotionally numb so "love" and all that.. Doesn't cut it..
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mom2ty

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Posted: 06-14-05 21:50pm

bd1012 wrote:
and you all may think life is precious.. But I fail to see that from where i"m at.. Right now I see around me right now.. People working their ass off and constantly having to dodge bullhealth question and right now we just got majorly betrayed and becuase of it..Alot of our money that is in no way disposable.. Has gone to waste and we don't know if we can get it back.. All I see right now is people working their asses off to make ends meet while being raped by the government and trying to deal with life's bullhealth question. I see nothing precious.. I see a life full of struglling ahead.. And as far as the nonmaterial things go.. I'm emotionally numb so "love" and all that.. Doesn't cut it..


i'm sorry that life isn't going so well for you. Nobody who is so unhappy could possibly see life as precious. I hope that one day you find your happiness, maybe then you will have a different view.
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bd1012

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Posted: 06-14-05 21:57pm

mom2ty wrote:
bd1012 wrote:
and you all may think life is precious.. But I fail to see that from where i"m at.. Right now I see around me right now.. People working their ass off and constantly having to dodge bullhealth question and right now we just got majorly betrayed and becuase of it..Alot of our money that is in no way disposable.. Has gone to waste and we don't know if we can get it back.. All I see right now is people working their asses off to make ends meet while being raped by the government and trying to deal with life's bullhealth question. I see nothing precious.. I see a life full of struglling ahead.. And as far as the nonmaterial things go.. I'm emotionally numb so "love" and all that.. Doesn't cut it..


i'm sorry that life isn't going so well for you. Nobody who is so unhappy could possibly see life as precious. I hope that one day you find your happiness, maybe then you will have a different view.

i wouldn't say i'm unhappy.. Just cynical.. My life could be a 1000 times worse so I don't want to say i'm depressed.. Just neutral kinda...
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trina1

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Posted: 06-14-05 22:14pm

bd1012 wrote:
and you all may think life is precious.. But I fail to see that from where i"m at.. Right now I see around me right now.. People working their ass off and constantly having to dodge bullhealth question and right now we just got majorly betrayed and becuase of it..Alot of our money that is in no way disposable.. Has gone to waste and we don't know if we can get it back.. All I see right now is people working their asses off to make ends meet while being raped by the government and trying to deal with life's bullhealth question. I see nothing precious.. I see a life full of struglling ahead.. And as far as the nonmaterial things go.. I'm emotionally numb so "love" and all that.. Doesn't cut it..



but what if just one of those aborted human lives were precious enough to make the world a better place? What if him or her was the president we need? What if we already have done away with the one who could have made this world what it should be...Instead of what it is? Just something to think about.
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bd1012

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Posted: 06-14-05 22:33pm

trina1 wrote:
bd1012 wrote:
and you all may think life is precious.. But I fail to see that from where i"m at.. Right now I see around me right now.. People working their ass off and constantly having to dodge bullhealth question and right now we just got majorly betrayed and becuase of it..Alot of our money that is in no way disposable.. Has gone to waste and we don't know if we can get it back.. All I see right now is people working their asses off to make ends meet while being raped by the government and trying to deal with life's bullhealth question. I see nothing precious.. I see a life full of struglling ahead.. And as far as the nonmaterial things go.. I'm emotionally numb so "love" and all that.. Doesn't cut it..



but what if just one of those aborted human lives were precious enough to make the world a better place? What if him or her was the president we need? What if we already have done away with the one who could have made this world what it should be...Instead of what it is? Just something to think about.

what about it? You can't miss what you never had.
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mom2ty

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Posted: 06-14-05 22:34pm

pcforme wrote:
cell research may hold the key to cures for cancer? Diabetes? Ever think that is what the fetus' purpose was?


what?!?!?! The fetus' purpose? You truly are deranged.
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 06-14-05 22:38pm

Any pro-abort ever stop to think that maybe it's purpose is to be born and live?
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