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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 01:05am
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Heartless misogynist because I refuse to
feel sorry for someone who apparently made
their own choice? You know the same
choice that you whine about so much...I
feel sorry for her daughter but that is
the extent of my sympathy. How is that
heartless? Poos friend is *not* a
victim! She can play the victim and
whine for sympathy all she wants but oh
well. Looks like she needs to grow up
and realize what choice she did make
instead of "wishing that she aborted".
What is wishing gonna do for her?
If that makes me heartless to you then so
be it. I don't feel sorry for any adult
that makes a bad choice.
Call me heartless/mysoginyst whatever you
like but that's just the way I see things.
If people aren't adult enough to make
such important decisions then maybe they
shouldn't be allowed to make them.
And please call me all the names that you
like :) doesn't bother me one bit. It
just shows how *well* you are able to
debate.
Edited to respond to fishes post below--i
said earlier that she should seek
counseling or at least do something to
change her situation. And was called a
heartless mysogynist. If she has felt
like this for four years why hasn't she
done something to change it? If she has
ppd for that long then (it usually sets in
any time during the first year after
birth) she needs to see someone.
Steen--if she won't seek help then what
can anyone do for her? We can't do
anything for her. Instead of seeking
pity she needs to seek treatment.
Last edited by mom2trevor on 06-04-05 08:43am; edited 1 time in total
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-04-05 05:11am
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In my opinion it sounds like the poor
woman could be suffering a mild form of
pnd if everything else in the family
enviroment is ok and it is only the child
that she is distant from that is the only
thing that I can think of.
Poopoo has she seen her g.P about it do
you know?
If not it may be worth droping it into
conversation.
You never know after a short course of
anti depressants or counciling she may see
the child in a differnt light and if not
then nothing is lost really but if so just
think of what she could gain.
I say she needs help and advice from a
profesional but there you go I aint no
doctor.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 06-05-05 08:19am
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There is no point in pathologising it all.
She is not depressed or miserable. She
is getting on with her life. She simply
recognises that it is not the life she was
planning. She had plans and things she
wanted to do, and now at the age of 22 she
is simply stuck in a role she was not
planning. She can tell me about it,
because she knows I won't be aghast that
her child isn't the most important thing
in the world, and won't condemn her for
not being absolutely thrilled about being
a mother. She said everyone was so
thrilled for her when she got pregnant,
that she just put all her doubts aside and
went along with it. As I said, she loves
her daughter, she just would rather not
have had her.
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steen
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Posted: 06-05-05 10:10am
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As I said, m2t, and as your post
confirmed, you are a heartless misogynist.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-05-05 13:20pm
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| steen
wrote: | | as I said, m2t, and as your
post confirmed, you are a heartless
misogynist. |
i am so glad that you know me so well
steen. I just choose to feel sorry for
the true victim and that is the child.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 06-05-05 13:56pm
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| mom2trevor
wrote: | | I just choose to feel sorry
for the true victim and that is the
child. |
i don't understand -- why is the child a
victim? She was born -- which is
obviously the most important thing to the
anti-choicers. She is loved and cared
for. She has both parents. She is not
abused. She is well-fed. What makes the
child a victim? There are plenty of
planned children, or ones born to women
who would never have considered abortions,
who are far worse off.
There is no victim here-- just someone who
says that if they had to do it over again,
they would have had an abortion.
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mom2ty
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Posted: 06-05-05 14:03pm
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| poopoopoo
wrote: | | mom2trevor
wrote: | | I just choose to feel sorry
for the true victim and that is the
child. |
i don't understand -- why is the child a
victim? She was born -- which is
obviously the most important thing to the
anti-choicers. She is loved and cared
for. She has both parents. She is not
abused. She is well-fed. What makes
the child a victim? There are plenty of
planned children, or ones born to women
who would never have considered abortions,
who are far worse off.
There is no victim here-- just someone who
says that if they had to do it over again,
they would have had an
abortion. |
like I said before, I think you've made
this whole story up just to prove a point.
I have a hard time believing any b.S.
That comes spilling out of you fundie's
mouths. If this girl really does exist
she probably doesn't regret it as much as
you think. Just because you would hate to
be in her situation doesn't mean she feels
that way. Also, just because she may
complain and miss her old life or wish
things would've happened in a different
way doesn't mean she regrets not killing
her child. I miss my old life sometimes
to when I had freedom, but that doesn't
mean I wish I would've never had my son.
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mom2ty
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Posted: 06-05-05 18:41pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | poopoopoo
wrote: | | there is no victim here--
just someone who says that if they had to
do it over again, they would have had an
abortion. |
i have heard that 80% of people with
children say they wouldn't do it again if
they could start
over. |
oh really, where are your sources?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-05-05 21:19pm
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Poo--it's apparent that you wrote this
story to show your poor friend as victim.
If not then why else did you write it?
The child is the victim because it is
apparent that she is not wanted...I sure
hope that noone ever tells her that..
Pc--your little 80% quote is just you
pulling bullshi* out of your as*. But it
was just something you overheard huh? So
if I tell you that earth is flat are you
gonna believe that too?
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mom2ty
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Posted: 06-05-05 21:20pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2ty
wrote: | | i have heard that 80% of
people with children say they wouldn't do
it again if they could start
over. |
oh really, where are your
sources? |
i never said it was a fact... Just a
stat I had heard recently... It was
shocking to me. I do know people that
have said it, I just didn't think it was
that high.[/quote]
whoever said that to you is probably just
another lying, pro-baby killer just like
you who was just trying to make abortion
look good. I'm sure if you actually did a
real study on this you'll find just the
opposite.
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mom2ty
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Posted: 06-06-05 06:48am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2ty
wrote: | | whoever said that to you is
probably just another lying, pro-baby
killer just like you who was just trying
to make abortion look good. I'm sure if
you actually did a real study on this
you'll find just the
opposite. |
yeah... Some dj on the radio giving out
strange facts is just on his pro baby
killing spread @@ you are a doing it
fool. |
so since some stupid dj said it on the
radio and that means it's true. You're
more stupid than I thought!!
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 06-06-05 07:33am
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| mom2trevor
wrote: | poo--it's apparent that you
wrote this story to show your poor friend
as victim. If not then why else did you
write it? The child is the victim
because it is apparent that she is not
wanted...I sure hope that noone ever tells
her that..
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no , I don't see her as any kind of
victim. As I said originally, I brought
this up because of all the people who keep
talking about how so many women regret
having abortions. We all know women who
don't regret having abortions, and there
are many very touching and eloquent
stories by women on imnotsorry.Com.
The reason for posting the story is just
to point out that women who decide against
an abortion can also regret their decision
-- and they have to live with the
consequences of that decision every day.
She is not a victim -- she had the choice,
and allowed herself to be talked out of
having an abortion. It's not like they
put her in a straightjacket and forced her
to carry to term. But her instinct was
that she didn't want to be a mother. She
gave in to the social pressure to do have
the baby. She regrets that.
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mom2ty
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Posted: 06-06-05 07:39am
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Pc, if it's not fact, you don't need to go
around parading information that isn't
backed up by any proof. Just another
example of your pro-death lies. Liar.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-05 10:45am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2ty
wrote: | | so since some stupid dj said
it on the radio and that means it's true.
You're more stupid than I
thought!! |
you're suck a retard. It was a figure I
heard. Again, I never stated it was
fact. While I do know people that have
said the same thing, I can't believe the
figure could be so high. I posted it
here hoping someone may have heard it too
and might have more information about it.
Unlike you, I enjoy learning and
exchanging information. Go back to
hell, gay
woman. |
relax on the retard thing, I know you
probably didn't mean it more than another
insult but a lot of people can get
extremelly offended when people use that
term. Just because someone is retarded
or handicapped does not mean they are
unintelligent. Trust me on this i've
worked with handicapped kids for years and
years.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:21am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | relax on the retard thing, I
know you probably didn't mean it more than
another insult but a lot of people can get
extremelly offended when people use that
term. |
i'll remember that the next time ty is
calling me a baby killer or pcdeath.
@@ |
hey you call her some pretty nasty names
too but I think retard is very offensive.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:28am
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Lil is one of the fairest people on this
forum and has more integrity in her little
toe than you have in your whole body.
She is not a hypocrit and I am damn sure
that if mom2ty had offended her she would
be saying exactly the same to her.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:34am
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No what I am saying is that she doesn't
get involved usualy so you can deduce from
that just how offended at your choice of
words that she is.
But then again causing offence sems to be
your favorit pass time
doesn't it?
Fell free to correct me if I am mistaken
but from what we have seen from you on
this forum I don't think I am.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:36am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | she is not a hypocrit and I
am damn sure that if mom2ty had offended
her she would be saying exactly the same
to her. |
so let me get this right... As long as
she isn't offended, name calling is ok?
@@ hypocrite is exactly what she
is. |
i've told people to stop with the name
calling but no one seems to listen.
Retard is very offensive. Ever work with
a handicapped child/person?
What is it with you, are u that unhappy
that you just have to go around attacking
everyone? I feel real sorry for you that
you always have to stoop down to such low
levels.
Here.... Mom2ty wanna stop calling pc a
babykiller please. Fetuskiller is ok
though! Remember just be politically
correct! And calling someone a retard
is not politically correct.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:42am
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Errrm would that be my husband my alter
ego come on at least be consistent in what
your opinions are.
Right let me get this right now you are
complaining about a husband that according
to you is actually my alter ego.
Right so if he doesn't exsist then how can
I stop him voicing his opinion on one as
vile as you(not that I would want him to
stop voicing his opinion)?
So what is it your choice husband or alter
ego?@
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-05 11:50am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | fishx
wrote: | | no what I am saying is that
she doesn't get involved usualy so you can
deduce from that just how offended at your
choice of words that she
is. |
i could care less. She is either going
to expect everyone here to not offend each
other or she can keep her trap shut.
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madita madre.... Since you're all like
lil children who don't listen since a lot
of us have asked to stop with the name
calling and you people can't seem to. I
asked mom2ty to stop calling you
babykiller as maybe it is offensive (look
up a couple of posts). Call me a health
forum or whatever but there are certain
limits. And calling people names does
not help get your point accross. It just
makes everyone look a lot more ignorant.
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