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mom2trevor
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Indiana Judge Rules Against Planned Parenthood
Posted: 06-04-05 01:21am
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Posted on tue, may. 31, 2005
indiana judge rules against planned
parenthood in case similar to kansas one
ken kusmer
associated press
indianapolis - an indiana judge ruled
tuesday that planned parenthood must turn
over to the state the medical records of
its patients under 14.
The case was being watched by kansas'
attorney general, whose office is
embroiled in a similar legal dispute with
two abortion clinics before the state's
highest court.
In indiana, marion county superior court
judge kenneth johnson sided with the state
attorney general's office in its quest to
examine the medical records of 84 young
patients.
However, the state said it will not press
the matter and seek the records until all
appeals have run their course.
"it would be our intent to wait until the
process has worked itself through," said
staci schneider, a spokeswoman for
attorney general steve carter.
Planned parenthood of indiana tried to
stop the seizure of records, arguing that
investigators were on a "fishing
expedition," possibly to identify the
partners of sexually active 12- and
13-year-olds. None of the 84 patients has
received an abortion, according to planned
parenthood.
The attorney general's office has said
that its medicaid fraud unit "is
investigating whether or not children were
neglected by virtue of a failure to report
instances of child molestation to the
proper authorities."
since the state seized medical records of
at least six patients in march, planned
parenthood has instructed its clinics not
to turn over medical records to the fraud
control unit. Health care providers that
refuse to cooperate with medicaid fraud
investigators can be disqualified from the
program.
Indiana law defines sexual activity with a
child under 14 as child molestation, no
matter how old the partner is.
When the state can see the records was not
immediately clear. Planned parenthood's
attorney, ken falk of the indiana civil
liberties union, immediately sought a stay
of johnson's order from the judge himself.
If johnson turns down the request, falk
said he will turn to the indiana court of
appeals.
"we absolutely intend to uphold the
privacy of our doctor-patient
relationships," said betty cockrum, chief
executive of planned parenthood of
indiana.
In kansas, attorney general phill kline
also has been accused of conducting a
fishing expedition in seeking access to
the records of 90 patients from Dr.
George tiller's clinic in wichita and the
overland park clinic operated by planned
parenthood of kansas and mid-missouri.
They've noted that kline is a strong
abortion opponent who, as a legislator,
helped write the state's late-term
abortion law. The statute prohibits
abortions after the 21st week unless a
fetus cannot survive outside the womb or
the woman's life and health are in
danger.
But kline has said he needs the records as
part of his investigation into child rape
and potentially illegal late-term
abortions. He's received support from
county prosecutors who agree with him that
reviewing medical records is routine in
criminal inquiries.
Last year, at kline's request, a shawnee
county judge issued subpoenas for the
records. The clinics then asked the
kansas supreme court to block the
subpoenas or restrict their scope. The
court hasn't yet ruled.
Kline spokesman jan lunsford said the
attorney general is "encouraged by the
superior court judge in indiana's ruling,
given that our case is very similar."
the indiana judge's 22-page ruling
rejected planned parenthood's arguments
that seizure of the records violated
constitutional protections to privacy and
against unreasonable searches.
"the great public interest in the
reporting, investigation and prosecution
of child abuse trumps even the patient's
interest in privileged communication with
her physicians because, in the end, both
the patient and the state are benefited by
the disclosure," the judge wrote.
my opinion is that if planned parenthood
would have complied with the law in the
first place this would not be happening.
When the records are seized they have
noone but theirselves to blame.
Apparently though they feel like they
don't have to play by the rules.
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Lisa4Catholics
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Wonderful
Posted: 06-04-05 01:23am
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Good:) and may they all shut down:)
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 09:57am
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Indiana law - sex with someone 14 and
under is child molestation no matter who
the sexual partner is.
Why did planned parenthood not report
these child molestation crimes? Who are
they trying to protect because it
certainly isn't the 14 year old. They are
in all reality protecting child rapists by
not reporting these incidents.
And I agree with you lisa! May they all
be shut down!!
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 11:29am
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You can blame whoever you want but if
planned parenthood would have followed the
law then this would have never happend in
the first place. What solution do you
propose?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 11:39am
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Hipaa states that medical records can be
released for legal reasons without
consent.
Planned parenthood is not above the law so
why they think they are is beyond me.
They are required (by law) to report
abortion in 14-under females. It doesn't
matter if the 14-under child does not want
to press charges the state can file it's
own charges.
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Lisa4Catholics
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Re: Indiana Judge Rules Against Planned Parenthood
Posted: 06-04-05 12:07pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2trevor
wrote: | | the attorney general's
office has said that its medicaid fraud
unit "is investigating whether or not
children were neglected by virtue of a
failure to report instances of child
molestation to the proper
authorities." |
great... Instead of trying to find a
solution to the problem, the state is
going to be suckers about it. Now,
instead of seeking treatment, young
females are going to remain silent. Too
bad fundies refuse to work for the best
solution for these women instead of trying
to promote their religious
agenda. | are you saying how dare
they try to arrest childmolestors just
allow them to take the kids they molested
to the chop shop so they will not be
caught?Your compassion for women is
underwhelming*rolleyes*
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:17pm
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If some one has been raped then do you not
think that they have a duty to report it
so that the guy can be taken of the
streets therefore protecting other women?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:18pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2trevor
wrote: | | planned parenthood is not
above the law so why they think they are
is beyond me. They are required (by
law) to report abortion in 14-under
females. It doesn't matter if the
14-under child does not want to press
charges the state can file it's own
charges. |
from the article: none of the 84 patients
has received an abortion, according to
planned parenthood.
Too bad none of the cases in question
resulted in an abortion. So now what is
your excuse for the state trampling on a
patient's right for them not reading
through their medical
records? |
according to planned parenthood....Ha
ha...Dont tell me you believe that group
of anti-life liars.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:34pm
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Planned parenthood does think it has the
right to act above the law. I know
pro-choice people that won't even step
foot in a pp clinic. And yes for a legal
investigation the government does have the
right to medical records as well they
should have that right. So you can prove
that this is just a political witch hunt?
Again as I have stated before if planned
parenthood would have complied with the
law they would not be in this situation to
begin with can you not understand that?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:55pm
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Are you able to prove that pp complied
with the law? It is doubted by the state
of indiana that they did so they have
every reason to investigate. I seriously
doubt these medical records are going to
be handed out on the street corner so
what's the problem?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 13:29pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2trevor
wrote: | | are you able to prove that
pp complied with the law? It is doubted
by the state of indiana that they did so
they have every reason to
investigate. |
i don't have to prove pp complied with the
law. The state must have grounds to
request the records. Saying "i don't
believe them" isn't one of them. What
kind of country do we live in where the
government can accuse people at random of
crimes with no proof?
| mom2trevor
wrote: | | i seriously doubt these
medical records are going to be handed out
on the street corner so what's the
problem? |
that isn't the point. Patient's have a
right to keep their medical information
private. This includes from the
government. How you don't see the
complete violation of a patient's right to
their own medical record is beyond
me. |
the government apparently has reason to
believe that there was wrong doing on pp's
part so they are doing what they feel is
necessary. When there is a law violation
in question there is no medical privacy.
Can you not see that? What kind of
country to we live in that would allow so
many future citizens to die because they
are inconvenient?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 14:45pm
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Approximatly 1-2% are for maternal or
fetal health
even less then that are because of
rape..
That leaves about 95-97% of abortions
being done because the pregnancy is
inconvientient.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-04-05 17:27pm
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In all honesty I don't think that pp
should be closed down completly just a lot
better regulated .
If it is closed down a lot of usefull
services will then be withheld from people
who need them not just terminations.
I would love to see terminations stopped
but to be realistic to shut a whole clinic
down wil not really affect the termination
industry but it will affect a lot of other
aspects of peoples lifes.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 18:44pm
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Fish I was speaking of the one's that
provide terminations. They need very
strict regulations on abortion.
Pc--- here are some listed reasons
"i couldn't finish college" there for a
kid is inconvenient.
"my boyfriend doesn't want a baby"
therefore it is inconvenient.
"i can't afford a baby" therefore the
child would be inconvenient.
"i can't take care of a baby right now"
again the child would be inconvenient.
"it would ruin my future" once again the
child would be inconvenient.
"i'm too young to have a baby" and again
the child would be inconvenient.
Do I need to go on???
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 20:03pm
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What would you say the reasons were then?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 22:00pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | mom2trevor
wrote: | | what would you say the
reasons were then? |
every case is different... I, unlike
you, won't lump each person's story into
some little catagory that makes it easier
for you to toss stones
at. |
well then I guess we should just get rid
of abortion statistics then because that's
exactly what they do..They *lump* things
into catergories.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-04-05 23:28pm
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So it's okay to *lump* something into a
catergory as long as it fits a pc view?
But it's not okay when someone who is pl
does it?
I get it...
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-05-05 00:07am
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Awww look someone can spell the word
*stupid* :)
i have not place anyone into a specific
catergory. I am going by researched
statistics :) they place theirselves into
a catergory when they walk into an
abortion clinic and state their reasons
for abortion.
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