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Indiana Judge Rules Against Planned Parenthood
Posted: 06-04-05 01:21am

Posted on tue, may. 31, 2005








indiana judge rules against planned parenthood in case similar to kansas one

ken kusmer

associated press


indianapolis - an indiana judge ruled tuesday that planned parenthood must turn over to the state the medical records of its patients under 14.


The case was being watched by kansas' attorney general, whose office is embroiled in a similar legal dispute with two abortion clinics before the state's highest court.


In indiana, marion county superior court judge kenneth johnson sided with the state attorney general's office in its quest to examine the medical records of 84 young patients.


However, the state said it will not press the matter and seek the records until all appeals have run their course.


"it would be our intent to wait until the process has worked itself through," said staci schneider, a spokeswoman for attorney general steve carter.


Planned parenthood of indiana tried to stop the seizure of records, arguing that investigators were on a "fishing expedition," possibly to identify the partners of sexually active 12- and 13-year-olds. None of the 84 patients has received an abortion, according to planned parenthood.


The attorney general's office has said that its medicaid fraud unit "is investigating whether or not children were neglected by virtue of a failure to report instances of child molestation to the proper authorities."

since the state seized medical records of at least six patients in march, planned parenthood has instructed its clinics not to turn over medical records to the fraud control unit. Health care providers that refuse to cooperate with medicaid fraud investigators can be disqualified from the program.


Indiana law defines sexual activity with a child under 14 as child molestation, no matter how old the partner is.


When the state can see the records was not immediately clear. Planned parenthood's attorney, ken falk of the indiana civil liberties union, immediately sought a stay of johnson's order from the judge himself. If johnson turns down the request, falk said he will turn to the indiana court of appeals.


"we absolutely intend to uphold the privacy of our doctor-patient relationships," said betty cockrum, chief executive of planned parenthood of indiana.


In kansas, attorney general phill kline also has been accused of conducting a fishing expedition in seeking access to the records of 90 patients from Dr. George tiller's clinic in wichita and the overland park clinic operated by planned parenthood of kansas and mid-missouri.


They've noted that kline is a strong abortion opponent who, as a legislator, helped write the state's late-term abortion law. The statute prohibits abortions after the 21st week unless a fetus cannot survive outside the womb or the woman's life and health are in danger.


But kline has said he needs the records as part of his investigation into child rape and potentially illegal late-term abortions. He's received support from county prosecutors who agree with him that reviewing medical records is routine in criminal inquiries.


Last year, at kline's request, a shawnee county judge issued subpoenas for the records. The clinics then asked the kansas supreme court to block the subpoenas or restrict their scope. The court hasn't yet ruled.


Kline spokesman jan lunsford said the attorney general is "encouraged by the superior court judge in indiana's ruling, given that our case is very similar."

the indiana judge's 22-page ruling rejected planned parenthood's arguments that seizure of the records violated constitutional protections to privacy and against unreasonable searches.


"the great public interest in the reporting, investigation and prosecution of child abuse trumps even the patient's interest in privileged communication with her physicians because, in the end, both the patient and the state are benefited by the disclosure," the judge wrote.



my opinion is that if planned parenthood would have complied with the law in the first place this would not be happening. When the records are seized they have noone but theirselves to blame. Apparently though they feel like they don't have to play by the rules.
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Lisa4Catholics

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Posted: 06-04-05 01:23am

Good:) and may they all shut down:)
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Posted: 06-04-05 09:57am

Indiana law - sex with someone 14 and under is child molestation no matter who the sexual partner is.

Why did planned parenthood not report these child molestation crimes? Who are they trying to protect because it certainly isn't the 14 year old. They are in all reality protecting child rapists by not reporting these incidents.

And I agree with you lisa! May they all be shut down!!
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Posted: 06-04-05 11:29am

You can blame whoever you want but if planned parenthood would have followed the law then this would have never happend in the first place. What solution do you propose?
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Posted: 06-04-05 11:39am

Hipaa states that medical records can be released for legal reasons without consent.

Planned parenthood is not above the law so why they think they are is beyond me. They are required (by law) to report abortion in 14-under females. It doesn't matter if the 14-under child does not want to press charges the state can file it's own charges.
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Re: Indiana Judge Rules Against Planned Parenthood
Posted: 06-04-05 12:07pm

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
the attorney general's office has said that its medicaid fraud unit "is investigating whether or not children were neglected by virtue of a failure to report instances of child molestation to the proper authorities."


great... Instead of trying to find a solution to the problem, the state is going to be suckers about it. Now, instead of seeking treatment, young females are going to remain silent. Too bad fundies refuse to work for the best solution for these women instead of trying to promote their religious agenda.
are you saying how dare they try to arrest childmolestors just allow them to take the kids they molested to the chop shop so they will not be caught?Your compassion for women is underwhelming*rolleyes*
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:17pm

If some one has been raped then do you not think that they have a duty to report it so that the guy can be taken of the streets therefore protecting other women?
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:18pm

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
planned parenthood is not above the law so why they think they are is beyond me. They are required (by law) to report abortion in 14-under females. It doesn't matter if the 14-under child does not want to press charges the state can file it's own charges.


from the article: none of the 84 patients has received an abortion, according to planned parenthood.

Too bad none of the cases in question resulted in an abortion. So now what is your excuse for the state trampling on a patient's right for them not reading through their medical records?


according to planned parenthood....Ha ha...Dont tell me you believe that group of anti-life liars.
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:34pm

Planned parenthood does think it has the right to act above the law. I know pro-choice people that won't even step foot in a pp clinic. And yes for a legal investigation the government does have the right to medical records as well they should have that right. So you can prove that this is just a political witch hunt?

Again as I have stated before if planned parenthood would have complied with the law they would not be in this situation to begin with can you not understand that?
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Posted: 06-04-05 12:55pm

Are you able to prove that pp complied with the law? It is doubted by the state of indiana that they did so they have every reason to investigate. I seriously doubt these medical records are going to be handed out on the street corner so what's the problem?
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Posted: 06-04-05 13:29pm

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
are you able to prove that pp complied with the law? It is doubted by the state of indiana that they did so they have every reason to investigate.


i don't have to prove pp complied with the law. The state must have grounds to request the records. Saying "i don't believe them" isn't one of them. What kind of country do we live in where the government can accuse people at random of crimes with no proof?


mom2trevor wrote:
i seriously doubt these medical records are going to be handed out on the street corner so what's the problem?


that isn't the point. Patient's have a right to keep their medical information private. This includes from the government. How you don't see the complete violation of a patient's right to their own medical record is beyond me.



the government apparently has reason to believe that there was wrong doing on pp's part so they are doing what they feel is necessary. When there is a law violation in question there is no medical privacy. Can you not see that? What kind of country to we live in that would allow so many future citizens to die because they are inconvenient?
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Posted: 06-04-05 14:45pm

Approximatly 1-2% are for maternal or fetal health
even less then that are because of rape..

That leaves about 95-97% of abortions being done because the pregnancy is inconvientient.
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Posted: 06-04-05 17:27pm

In all honesty I don't think that pp should be closed down completly just a lot better regulated .
If it is closed down a lot of usefull services will then be withheld from people who need them not just terminations.

I would love to see terminations stopped but to be realistic to shut a whole clinic down wil not really affect the termination industry but it will affect a lot of other aspects of peoples lifes.
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Posted: 06-04-05 18:44pm

Fish I was speaking of the one's that provide terminations. They need very strict regulations on abortion.


Pc--- here are some listed reasons

"i couldn't finish college" there for a kid is inconvenient.
"my boyfriend doesn't want a baby" therefore it is inconvenient.
"i can't afford a baby" therefore the child would be inconvenient.
"i can't take care of a baby right now" again the child would be inconvenient.
"it would ruin my future" once again the child would be inconvenient.
"i'm too young to have a baby" and again the child would be inconvenient.


Do I need to go on???
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Posted: 06-04-05 20:03pm

What would you say the reasons were then?
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Posted: 06-04-05 22:00pm

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
what would you say the reasons were then?


every case is different... I, unlike you, won't lump each person's story into some little catagory that makes it easier for you to toss stones at.



well then I guess we should just get rid of abortion statistics then because that's exactly what they do..They *lump* things into catergories.
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Posted: 06-04-05 23:28pm

So it's okay to *lump* something into a catergory as long as it fits a pc view? But it's not okay when someone who is pl does it?

I get it...
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Posted: 06-05-05 00:07am

Awww look someone can spell the word *stupid* :)

i have not place anyone into a specific catergory. I am going by researched statistics :) they place theirselves into a catergory when they walk into an abortion clinic and state their reasons for abortion.
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