kansas city, mo. (reuters) - the
pro-choice group planned parenthood
filed suit on monday against south dakota
officials, arguing that a new abortion law
mixes ideology with medicine and requires
that women considering an abortion be
given false information.
The suit, filed in u.S. District court
sioux falls, south dakota, names gov.
Mike rounds and south dakota attorney
general larry long as defendants.
It argues that a law that takes effect
july 1 forces doctors to give women
seeking abortions a list of statements
that go beyond medical information into
the realm of political and religious
beliefs.
"we've never seen anything like this
before," said tina smith, a planned
parenthood vice president based in
minnesota. "it is unusual in how far it
goes into requiring physicians to be the
mouthpiece for the state's ideology."
spokesmen for both the governor's office
and the attorney general's office declined
comment. Both rounds and long are
republicans,
many states have "informed consent" laws,
including one already on the books in
south dakota, which typically require that
women be given medical information about
the gestational age of the fetus, told of
risks of infection and pain and informed
about alternatives to abortion, such as
adoption.
But south dakota's legislature went
further, passing a law requiring that
doctors give or read to patients
considering an abortion a statement that
says "the abortion will terminate the life
of a whole, separate, unique, living human
being." it also warns that in having an
abortion, a woman risks becoming depressed
and committing suicide.
The woman must sign a statement
acknowledging that she has been given this
information.
Planned parenthood operates two clinics in
south dakota, just one of which provides
abortions.
The clash over abortion in south dakota
comes as u.S. Conservatives across the
country are attempting to limit abortions
as part of a larger movement to more
closely align state and federal laws with
what they term "moral values."
indeed, on sunday, texas gov. Rick perry
signed a new set of abortion restrictions
into law for that state, holding the
bill-signing ceremony at a christian
academy.
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 00:22am
Yes, further evidence that when facts fail
to make the pl argument, they seek to
inflict lies and misrepresentations, even
on clinic patients. Guess they have no
morals or decency.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 00:59am
I think it's better to tell them that then
for pc to tell them *oh don't worry it's
just a blob of cells* or *it's an
insignificant piece of tissue* ...It's
been told a thousand times that so called
*abortion counselors* will virtually do
anything to persuade a woman to have an
abortion by lying to them and making
abortion seem like a the more appealing
choice.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 06-07-05 01:14am
Funny, I usually only see pro-lifers
trying to shove their views down peoples
throats.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 09:19am
I never said that all people obtaining
abortions were tricked...Twisting words
again I see.
Really? And you have been to this clinic
and you know that all of the rules are
followed...Wow...Good for you. And also I
never said that *this* particular clinic
did that..Please show me where I did?
Twisting again..Tsk, tsk. And yes some
people have been swayed by
counselors....But in your perfect little
pc world every abortion is a wanted
abortion and noone pushes anyone do
anything right??
There is not a *need* for
abortion...That's like saying there is a
*need* for illegal drugs....It is simply
in most cases, a *want*.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 09:47am
Thank you for the little anti-choice
comment...Shows that you can't stop the
namecalling. :)
and there are two wonderful pregnancy
options..Parenting and adoption so
therfore I am not anti-choice...If you
want to call me anything you can call me
anti-abortion or anti-killing for
convienience.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 09:55am
The choice of adoption is usually made
while one is pregnant.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-07-05 11:16am
Pc could you please state where
foreverblue called anyone a retard?
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 12:25pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
i think it's better to tell
them that then for pc to tell them *oh
don't worry it's just a blob of cells* or
*it's an insignificant piece of tissue*
...
medical professionals
provide facts, not political platitudes.
That special trait is the purvey of pl.
Quote:
it's been told a
thousand times that so called *abortion
counselors* will virtually do anything to
persuade a woman to have an abortion by
lying to them and making abortion seem
like a the more appealing
choice.
fascinating. "a
thousand times" I guess that if a pl
repeat a lie a thousand times, you would
be telling us something factual.
Doesn't mean that your little fiction is
true, though.
Are you still so off that you wouldn't
figure out that abortion is so much under
attack that if the clinic in any way did
not provide full disclosure, that it then
wouldn't be sued. Your conspiracy ideas
just shows that pl are paranoid in
addition to being dishonest.
Last edited by steen on 06-07-05 12:31pm; edited 1 time in total
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 12:29pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
i never said that all people
obtaining abortions were
tricked...Twisting words again I
see.
but you did state the lie
that the counselors would lie to the
clients to persuade them to have
abortions. Why did you need to post such
a lie?
Quote:
there is not a
*need* for abortion...That's like saying
there is a *need* for illegal drugs....It
is simply in most cases, a
*want*.
irrelevant. It is not
your place to decide what other people
need or not. That's stalinism. "go
back to russia, commie pig" I believe the
appropriate response used to be.
You don't get to decide what other people
want.
And no, that little distraction fo yours
won't detract from your lie about abortion
counselors. Your lie will continue to be
confronted until you retract it. Should
I start telling you what I feel about
liars? Do you want this tread to turn
into that? Or will you retract your
claim?
(see, lilblazes, I *am* trying, I am
giving a chance to retract first)
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:00pm
steen
wrote:
mom2trevor
wrote:
i never said that all people
obtaining abortions were
tricked...Twisting words again I
see.
but you did state the lie
that the counselors would lie to the
clients to persuade them to have
abortions. Why did you need to post
such a lie?
Quote:
there is not a
*need* for abortion...That's like saying
there is a *need* for illegal drugs....It
is simply in most cases, a
*want*.
irrelevant. It is not
your place to decide what other people
need or not. That's stalinism. "go
back to russia, commie pig" I believe the
appropriate response used to be.
You don't get to decide what other people
want.
And no, that little distraction fo yours
won't detract from your lie about abortion
counselors. Your lie will continue to
be confronted until you retract it.
Should I start telling you what I feel
about liars? Do you want this tread to
turn into that? Or will you retract
your claim?
(see, lilblazes, I *am* trying, I am
giving a chance to retract
first)
steen--i have not lied about anything.
Personal stories of so called *abortion*
counselors are evidence enough for me.
Can you prove that it has never happend?
And russia happens to be a beautiful
country and thankyou I would like to go
back there again as it was very nice.
Commie pig huh? Funny that comment coming
from a liberal nut.
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:05pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen--i have not lied about
anything. Personal stories of so called
*abortion* counselors are evidence enough
for me.
but they don't
constitute:
"it's been told a thousand times that so
called *abortion counselors* will
virtually do anything to persuade a woman
to have an abortion by lying to them and
making abortion seem like a the more
appealing choice."
so you gabbing with a few counselors is
not what you claimed. Oh, yeah, and you
stating "i'm prolife and want to prove how
bad pc are, can you tell me about how you
always mislead your clients" that sure is
going to let "thousand" of counselors tell
you how they lie to clients. You are
full of caca, liar. As is expected.
After jlee, mom2ty and possibly blue, you
are the worst liar here (it is a toss-up
between you and blue)
Quote:
can you prove
that it has never
happend?
ah, and you beat your
child what, you can't "prove" that it
never happened?
Yes, m2t, you are such a stupid person.
Quote:
and russia
happens to be a beautiful country and
thankyou I would like to go back there
again as it was very nice. Commie pig
huh? Funny that comment coming from a
liberal nut.
lol, that got to be the
funniest statement of the day. The irony
of the reference obviously went right over
your head. Hilarious.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 06-07-05 13:08pm
steen
wrote:
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen--i have not lied about
anything. Personal stories of so called
*abortion* counselors are evidence enough
for me.
but they don't
constitute:
"it's been told a thousand times that so
called *abortion counselors* will
virtually do anything to persuade a woman
to have an abortion by lying to them and
making abortion seem like a the more
appealing choice."
so you gabbing with a few counselors is
not what you claimed. Oh, yeah, and you
stating "i'm prolife and want to prove how
bad pc are, can you tell me about how you
always mislead your clients" that sure is
going to let "thousand" of counselors tell
you how they lie to clients. You are
full of health question, liar. As is
expected. After jlee, mom2ty and
possibly blue, you are the worst liar here
(it is a toss-up between you and blue)
Quote:
can you prove
that it has never
happend?
ah, and you beat your
child what, you can't "prove" that it
never happened?
Yes, m2t, you are such a stupid person.
Quote:
and russia
happens to be a beautiful country and
thankyou I would like to go back there
again as it was very nice. Commie pig
huh? Funny that comment coming from a
liberal nut.
lol, that got to be the
funniest statement of the day. The
irony of the reference obviously went
right over your head.
Hilarious.
but you are happy to have liars like
pcforme spout forth their lies,but then
she is prochoice.Scumbag,moronic
hypocrite,go back to bird watching.
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:11pm
Rotflmao
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:13pm
Steen--can you prove that all abortion
counselors provide accurate information
and don't sway people? I have read
personal accounts from neutral sites about
this situation and I will not post these
stories because they do not belong to
me...
And I have posted opinions...Not
lies......So keep at it steen...You
apparently don't get that there is a
difference between the two.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-07-05 13:15pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen--can you prove that
all abortion counselors provide accurate
information and don't sway people? I
have read personal accounts from neutral
sites about this situation and I will not
post these stories because they do not
belong to me...
i am just waiting for
your evidence that thousands of counselors
have done this, and that you found out
through talking with them.
No? So you lied? Well, golly-gee.
Why am I not surprised?
Quote:
and I have posted
opinions...Not
lies......
you have made multiple
lying calims for many, many months, so yes
you are lying. You are a stinking liar,
and now the chips fall. Did you think
you could lie with impunity without
consequense? When you lie so much, you
will be seen as a liar.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 06-07-05 13:17pm
steen
wrote:
you have made multiple lying
calims for many, many months, so yes you
are lying. You are a stinking liar, and
now the chips fall. Did you think you
could lie with impunity without
consequense? When you lie so much, you
will be seen as a
liar.
.
Same goes for pcforme or does it only
apply to pro lifers,hypocrite
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:20pm
Ah, so you are saying that several people
lie, yet it is only ok to call pc on it?
Yes, you sure are a hypocrite
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 06-07-05 13:22pm
steen
wrote:
ah, so you are saying that
several people lie, yet it is only ok to
call pc on it? Yes, you sure are a
hypocrite
you hypocrite you are forever crying that
pro choice just lets people lie,yet here
you are encouraging pc for me to lie
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 13:25pm
Tsk, tsk, liar. Kind of ironic that you
now get all upset per a perceived lie
after you spewed so many yourself,
stinking lying troll.
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