man gets life for causing miscarriage
tuesday, june 07, 2005
lufkin, texas — a 19-year-old accused of
causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry
two fetuses by stepping on her stomach was
convicted monday of two counts of
homicide.
Gerardo flores (search) received an
automatic life sentence because
prosecutors did not seek the death
penalty, which was available under the
state's 2003 fetus protection law
(search).
Erica basoria, 17, acknowledged asking
flores to help end her pregnancy; she
could not be prosecuted because of her
legal right to abortion.
The defense contended that basoria punched
herself while flores was stepping on her,
making it impossible to tell who caused
the miscarriage.
Basoria told authorities that, after about
four months of pregnancy, she regretted
not getting an abortion and started
jogging and hitting herself to induce a
miscarriage. When her efforts failed, she
said she asked her boyfriend to help.
Flores did not testify, but earlier told
police that he stepped on basoria's
stomach several times during the week
before she miscarried.
Prosecutor art bauereiss said most of
basoria's family was pleased with the
jury's decision. But basoria, who sobbed
as she left the angelina county
courthouse, had stood by flores.
"it's just tragedy all around," said
flores' attorney, ryan deaton.
Texas law defines an embryo or fetus as an
"individual" and allows criminal
prosecution or civil action for a
preventable injury or death of a fetus.
The law exempts health care providers who
perform a legal medical procedure, such as
an abortion.
Used with the kind permission of the
original author of the post "cone"
Last edited by FISHX on 06-07-05 15:03pm; edited 1 time in total
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 14:49pm
Hey fish. I read this elsewhere..I
couldn't get the link to work.
Anyway...The only difference between him
and an abortionist is that he isn't
liscenced to perform abortions.
They let her get away with it though
because she had the *right to obtain an
abortion* but then they stick him in jail
for life? Doesn't sound fair does it?
This is pretty much the same as the 17
year old who beat his girlfriend with a
baseball bat. It's a terrible tradgedy :(
sad story.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 06-07-05 15:01pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
hey fish. I read this
elsewhere..I couldn't get the link to
work.
Anyway...The only difference between him
and an abortionist is that he isn't
liscenced to perform abortions.
They let her get away with it though
because she had the *right to obtain an
abortion* but then they stick him in jail
for life? Doesn't sound fair does it?
This is pretty much the same as the 17
year old who beat his girlfriend with a
baseball bat. It's a terrible tradgedy
:(
sad story.
and this while abortion is legal.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-07-05 15:04pm
Sorry don't know why the ink didn't work
but have gained permision to copy the
original post so I edited it
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-07-05 15:42pm
I thinkit's odd that they would charge him
and not her. It's not fair.
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steen
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Posted: 06-07-05 17:24pm
But then, such laws, claiming the fetus to
be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail
when this one reaches the appeals process
anyway.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-07-05 18:33pm
It says that at 4 months she regretted
*not* getting an abortion...So apparently
she had the option before and chose not to
use it..Therefore parental consent laws
cannot be blamed for this.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 06-08-05 03:10am
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 06-08-05 11:05am
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
a lab rat maybe? Or a glowing ball of
gas? Hmm...I'm stumped if a fetus isn't a
fetus...Then I really need to have a talk
with my ob/gyn and find out what I was
growing in my uterus.
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steen
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Posted: 06-08-05 13:50pm
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
oops, I of course meant
that the fetus is not a person. Sorry
about that.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 06-08-05 13:52pm
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
oops, I of course meant
that the fetus is not a person. Sorry
about that.
i did guess that steen but you really do
need to calm down.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-08-05 14:32pm
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
oops, I of course meant
that the fetus is not a person. Sorry
about that.
really? Can you prove that? Tell
me...When does it become a person? Surely
if you say it....You can back it up?!
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steen
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:00pm
foreverblue
wrote:
i did guess that steen but
you really do need to calm
down.
ah, you mean when lying
pl attack me, I should just let them.
That''s the kind of "calm down" you are
talking about, right?
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steen
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:02pm
trina1
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
oops, I of course meant
that the fetus is not a person. Sorry
about that.
really? Can you prove that? Tell
me...When does it become a person?
Surely if you say it....You can back it
up?!
i did guess that steen but
you really do need to calm
down.
ah, you mean when lying
pl attack me, I should just let them.
That''s the kind of "calm down" you are
talking about,
right?
.
Hey if I attack you then I am not going to
expect you to take it,but you have made
three mistakes in 24 hours,not like you
steen,that is what I mean steen,it is the
internet steen not worth having a coronry
over is it?
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trina1
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:13pm
steen
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
steen
wrote:
foreverblue
wrote:
steen
wrote:
but then, such laws,
claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a
fetus, they will fail when this one
reaches the appeals process
anyway.
steen calm down now you are starting to
ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is
it steen?
oops, I of course meant
that the fetus is not a person.
Sorry about
that.
really? Can you prove that? Tell
me...When does it become a person?
Surely if you say it....You can back it
up?!
lol...Nice link to nowhere. But i'll give
you props for trying.
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FISHX
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:15pm
Trina you need to decapitaise the link
before it will work.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:16pm
pcforme
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
really? Can you prove
that? Tell me...When does it become a
person? Surely if you say it....You can
back it up?!
would the .U.S .Constitution be good
enough for you?
@@
the constitution tells you when a child
becomes a person....Really? Can you point
that out to me.
I do know that all human beings do have
the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of
happiness. I don't remember there being a
ryder (sp) however saying that this only
pertained to those who were convenient.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-08-05 15:17pm
fishx
wrote:
trina you need to
decapitaise the link before it will
work.
lol...Ooops...Sorry.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-08-05 16:07pm
So what about in canada? When does it
become a person? We don;t have the
constitution here! :wink:
