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foreverblue

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Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 10:41am

Right I have listened to pro choices arguments for keeping abortion legal and one of the main arguments appears to be,if we make it illegal then woman will die obtaining back street abortions.So what you are saying is we should not make laws that someone is going to break,so are pro choice fighting to make drugs legal or rape or drink driving or even homicide because people break them laws everyday.If not then is that not hypocritical of pro choice to use it to keep abortion legal,this is not about choice,or do you support peoples choices to break into your house and steal your property,or a person who chooses to commit child abuse are you supporting their choice.?

I have also noted certain pro choicers or should I call them anti pregnancy because they always say that a fetus is a parasite or like a cancer and that a pregnant woman is a slave or has been enslaved,yet a woman who has had a termination is right and strong and free from slavery.This shows me that they are not pro choice but anti pregnancy.
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mom2trevor

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 11:08am

foreverblue wrote:
right I have listened to pro choices arguments for keeping abortion legal and one of the main arguments appears to be,if we make it illegal then woman will die obtaining back street abortions.So what you are saying is we should not make laws that someone is going to break,so are pro choice fighting to make drugs legal or rape or drink driving or even not a nice act because people break them laws everyday.If not then is that not hypocritical of pro choice to use it to keep abortion legal,this is not about choice,or do you support peoples choices to break into your house and steal your property,or a person who chooses to commit child abuse are you supporting their choice.?


I have also noted certain pro choicers or should I call them anti pregnancy because they always say that a fetus is a parasite or like a cancer and that a pregnant woman is a slave or has been enslaved,yet a woman who has had a termination is right and strong and free from slavery.This shows me that they are not pro choice but anti pregnancy.


quiet an interesting post blue...I am anxious to see how they respond to simple logic.
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Posted: 06-11-05 11:16am

I am anti-pregnancy for myself. I will never be pregnant longer than it takes to get an abortion.
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foreverblue

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Posted: 06-11-05 11:26am

msrosie wrote:
i am anti-pregnancy for myself. I will never be pregnant longer than it takes to get an abortion.




as usual a frank and honest answer from msrosie,thank you.
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steen

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 13:33pm

foreverblue wrote:
right I have listened to pro choices arguments for keeping abortion legal and one of the main arguments appears to be,if we make it illegal then woman will die obtaining back street abortions.
not really. Rather, we are pointing out that if you get your way, that will be a consequense. We are loading that on your conscisnce and showing that you just don't give a damn, thus further evidencing your misogynistic callousness towards women. So the very premise of your point is off.

The argument for abortion is about the woman's right to control her own bodily resources just like everybody else, that's all.
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i have also noted certain pro choicers or should I call them anti pregnancy
well, so me are against being pregnant for themselves. I don't see a whole lot of pc claiming that others should be prevented from being pregnant. So again, the very premise of your claim is off.

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because they always say that a fetus is a parasite or like a cancer
again, a misrepresentation. We are pointing out that the way pl defines "life," "baby" and whatnot, the tumors and parasites fall within that classification as well. That is a problem with pl's knowledge of biology and lack of common sense, nothing else.

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and that a pregnant woman is a slave or has been enslaved,
another misrepresentation. The preventing her from abortion an unwanted pregnancy is the same as taking over control and rights to her body. *that* is what the enslavement is. Again, you are missing the mark.
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yet a woman who has had a termination is right and strong and free from slavery.
she, just like any woman who chose to carry the pregnancy to term is right and strong and free from slavery. The problem is when others are interfering in her right to make her own decisions regarding the use of her body. You are again missing the mark. You can't be that ignorant about pc, can you? After all that time? Maybe you weren't listening? ;-)

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this shows me that they are not pro choice but anti pregnancy.
more nonsense hyperbole and distortion from prolife. As usual, you are dishonest.
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foreverblue

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 13:53pm

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
right I have listened to pro choices arguments for keeping abortion legal and one of the main arguments appears to be,if we make it illegal then woman will die obtaining back street abortions.
not really. Rather, we are pointing out that if you get your way, that will be a consequense. We are loading that on your conscisnce and showing that you just don't give a damn, thus further evidencing your misogynistic callousness towards women. So the very premise of your point is off.


The argument for abortion is about the woman's right to control her own bodily resources just like everybody else, that's all.

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i have also noted certain pro choicers or should I call them anti pregnancy
well, so me are against being pregnant for themselves. I don't see a whole lot of pc claiming that others should be prevented from being pregnant. So again, the very premise of your claim is off.


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because they always say that a fetus is a parasite or like a cancer
again, a misrepresentation. We are pointing out that the way pl defines "life," "baby" and whatnot, the tumors and parasites fall within that classification as well. That is a problem with pl's knowledge of biology and lack of common sense, nothing else.


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and that a pregnant woman is a slave or has been enslaved,
another misrepresentation. The preventing her from abortion an unwanted pregnancy is the same as taking over control and rights to her body. *that* is what the enslavement is. Again, you are missing the mark.

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yet a woman who has had a termination is right and strong and free from slavery.
she, just like any woman who chose to carry the pregnancy to term is right and strong and free from slavery. The problem is when others are interfering in her right to make her own decisions regarding the use of her body. You are again missing the mark. You can't be that ignorant about pc, can you? After all that time? Maybe you weren't listening? ;-)

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this shows me that they are not pro choice but anti pregnancy.
more nonsense hyperbole and distortion from prolife. As usual, you are dishonest.





this from the hypocrite who only used half of a post in a pathetic attempt to make her look like a liar
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foreverblue

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Posted: 06-11-05 14:07pm

The consequence of making drugs illegal would be addicts od'ing
the consequence of making rape illigal is that victims get mu.R.Dered.
The consequence of making drink driving illigal is that people will run from the police and maybe crash and kill someone.
So are you fighting to save all these people steen.
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steen

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 14:12pm

foreverblue wrote:
this from the hypocrite who only used half of a post in a pathetic attempt to make her look like a liar
way to go loser liar, pathetically trying to avoid dealing with where I pointed out your errors. Pl have no integrity in their cowardly avoidance of dealing with their own mistakes. Lame.
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foreverblue

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 14:15pm

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
this from the hypocrite who only used half of a post in a pathetic attempt to make her look like a liar
way to go loser liar, pathetically trying to avoid dealing with where I pointed out your errors. Pl have no integrity in their cowardly avoidance of dealing with their own mistakes. Lame.




ha ha ha ha what a joke you hypocrite that is all you ever do keep up the good work steen,
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foreverblue

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Re: Pro Choice And the Law
Posted: 06-11-05 14:25pm

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
this from the hypocrite who only used half of a post in a pathetic attempt to make her look like a liar
way to go loser liar, pathetically trying to avoid dealing with where I pointed out your errors. Pl have no integrity in their cowardly avoidance of dealing with their own mistakes. Lame.
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Right back at ya freak



steen wrote:

what you "think" has been disproven by factual evidence. They are scumbag liars.



mom2ty wrote:
where's your factual evidence that you keep spewing about? I have yet to see any of it. Just false accusations by you. Love ya
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Your answer mr hypocrite.




steen wrote:
take a hike, scumbag lying troll creep.
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And you are not an hypocrite why?
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steen

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Posted: 06-11-05 15:04pm

:roll:
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Posted: 06-11-05 17:18pm

pcforme wrote:
if a person wants to do drugs, I have no problem that.

If a person wants to sell themselves for sex, I have no problem with that.

Their body, their choice.

Drugs are legal in the .U.S. Just the ones the government can regulate and make money from.


actually I heard they banned medicinal marijuana in the states this week. The gov was making money off of that so why stop it? I think alcohol is worse than pot in all aspects but for some reason liquor is legal. Go figure.
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sandyallen

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Posted: 06-11-05 23:22pm

It is also about choice and about the situation at the time(that is abortion I am talking about) as each situation is different and we are all different.
So I would say that foreverblue is truly the hypocrite here as definitely shown here because he is the weakest link(lol).
Sincerely.
Sandy
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mom2ty

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Posted: 06-12-05 07:09am

sandyallen wrote:
it is also about choice and about the situation at the time(that is abortion I am talking about) as each situation is different and we are all different.

So I would say that foreverblue is truly the hypocrite here as definitely shown here because he is the weakest link(lol).

Sincerely.

Sandy


your posts never make any sense and never follow what anybody else is saying.
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FISHX

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Posted: 06-12-05 07:14am

Has anyone else here noticed that over half of sandyallens post contain the word foreverblue even when he hasn't posted to her?
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 06-12-05 10:00am

fishx wrote:
has anyone else here noticed that over half of sandyallens post contain the word foreverblue even when he hasn't posted to her?


she generally makes no sense either.
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