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steen

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:32pm

And trina is back to lying. Opinions are fine. Attacking and lying, and then whining about being attacked back or being called on lies, that's another story; more examples of prolife lies and cowardess.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:36pm

No problem! The only reason that she said that I was defending all the pl was because I happened to mention that I was also prolife. It's ok though, I can be more mature and ignore it. I respect that people have there own opinions even if I may disagree with them.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:37pm

I have done none of thoes things.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm

Also I don't generalize people into groups. I believe every one is an individual. I don't hate or even dislike everyone is pro choice. That would be discrimination.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm

I know you haven't. But trina has. Many times.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
i have done none of thoes things.


don't worry....Some people will say anything for attention....Lol...I don't think I need to name names. ;)
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steen

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:41pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
also I don't generalize people into groups. I believe every one is an individual. I don't hate or even dislike everyone is pro choice. That would be discrimination.
so you agree that when pl start making claims such as that pc are "pro-aborts," they should tone it down because they are spewing misrepresentations, right?
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:45pm

I do believe that not all prochoice are all proabort. I think that a lot of people who are pro choice just believe that a women has the right to chose. My best friend is pro choice. Now she would never have an abortion but she believes a women has the right to chose. Now once again I don't agree with her. But I respect her opinion because she can defend her opinion and she feels strongly about it.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:48pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
i do believe that not all prochoice are all proabort. I think that a lot of people who are pro choice just believe that a women has the right to chose. My best friend is pro choice. Now she would never have an abortion but she believes a women has the right to chose. Now once again I don't agree with her. But I respect her opinion because she can defend her opinion and she feels strongly about it.


well...I have to admit that I did call a couple on here pro-aborts....As in for abortion. However you make a good point...So I will refrain from that terminology in the future. :)
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:48pm

Vanessalouanne, thank you for that post. Seems like there actually is then room for a dialogue. I appreciate that.


What are your thoughts on trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies through better sex-ed and better, cheaper, more available contraception?


And what are your views on better support of pregnant women and new families rather than "welfare reform" cuts to those populations?
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:36pm

Oh that is so frustrating! Sorry I just wrote a very long post on my beliefs on welfare, school sex ed and ect and it just all deleted. That sucks. Ok well here we go again and I apologize in advance for an misspellings because I am going to type quick. As far as sex ed I believe in preaching abstinace. I am one of thoes rare people who waited to have sex until I was married. But I am not stupid and I know that this is very unrealistic as far as teens today. I can honestly say I do not know one person besides my mother ( or so she says ) who waited until thy were married. Lol I believe that we need to educate high schoolers on resorces that they have. They need to know where they can go to get contriceptives. I know that many do not know all the things that they can get for free at planned parenthood. .. Ie condoms, birth control, ect. I think we also need to let them know the truth about doctor/patient confedentuality. (i know I butchered spelling that) I have read so many posts from young girls saying that they want to get on birth control but dont ask there doctors about it because their afraid that their parents will learn about it. They need to know that its ok for them to talk to their doctor. As for welfare.. Well I know this could get me lynched but I am a conservative republican. But I do believe that in the right cases welfare can be extreamly effective and helpful. My sisters best friend whom ive also concidered a sister is on welfare and lives in a government assisted apartment complex. She is a dam.N good mother and works two jobs to support her family. She is a single mother and both kids are special needs. Welfare in that case is a wonderful thing. I think that our government (us) has enough money in our welfare programs to support thoes in simmilar cases. What I do believe is that a lot of the money that is put away is misused. I think it is taken advantage of and that is we took a closer look, we could help a lot of families in need, and kick thoes off who take advantage of the system. I believe that health care costs are outragous. But I also know that if you educate yourself on what options are available to you that you will be pleasently surprised. I would love to know what you all think on these issues. I love hearing others opinions because I do listen to them. I like to take things into consideration. Im a hard person to budge from there opinion but I will listen to others arguments. Thanks guys

and again sorry about the horrible spelling!
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:50pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
oh that is so frustrating! Sorry I just wrote a very long post on my beliefs on welfare, school sex ed and ect and it just all deleted. That sucks. Ok well here we go again and I apologize in advance for an misspellings because I am going to type quick. As far as sex ed I believe in preaching abstinace. I am one of thoes rare people who waited to have sex until I was married. But I am not stupid and I know that this is very unrealistic as far as teens today. I can honestly say I do not know one person besides my mother ( or so she says ) who waited until thy were married. Lol I believe that we need to educate high schoolers on resorces that they have. They need to know where they can go to get contriceptives. I know that many do not know all the things that they can get for free at planned parenthood. .. Ie condoms, birth control, ect. I think we also need to let them know the truth about doctor/patient confedentuality. (i know I butchered spelling that) I have read so many posts from young girls saying that they want to get on birth control but dont ask there doctors about it because their afraid that their parents will learn about it. They need to know that its ok for them to talk to their doctor. As for welfare.. Well I know this could get me lynched but I am a conservative republican. But I do believe that in the right cases welfare can be extreamly effective and helpful. My sisters best friend whom ive also concidered a sister is on welfare and lives in a government assisted apartment complex. She is a dam.N good mother and works two jobs to support her family. She is a single mother and both kids are special needs. Welfare in that case is a wonderful thing. I think that our government (us) has enough money in our welfare programs to support thoes in simmilar cases. What I do believe is that a lot of the money that is put away is misused. I think it is taken advantage of and that is we took a closer look, we could help a lot of families in need, and kick thoes off who take advantage of the system. I believe that health care costs are outragous. But I also know that if you educate yourself on what options are available to you that you will be pleasently surprised. I would love to know what you all think on these issues. I love hearing others opinions because I do listen to them. I like to take things into consideration. Im a hard person to budge from there opinion but I will listen to others arguments. Thanks guys

and again sorry about the horrible spelling!


as far as welfare goes...In the case of your friend...That is completely understandable. Both my son and my nephew were born premature and had long stays in nicu. Both my sister and I were covered by insurance....But in both cases the day our children were born....The hospital social worker made us both sign up for medicaid. They said it covered our preemies for a year in case something happened with our insurance. In both cases we felt it unecessary...But since it was hospital policy....We did it. In my sisters case...It was never needed...In mine however...It was. My son was in the nicu for five months...And then five months after he came home....My husband died suddenly from an anuerysm. Our insurance was through his work and had been tremendous...As my sons bills had racked up to nearly a million dollars while he was hospitalized....However my husband died at 9 a.M. And at midnight that night....Our insurance was no longer in affect. My son still had meds, drs. Visits, etc and we had no insurance to cover us. If we had not had that medicaid....We would have been in trouble until we were able to get another insurance instated. Special needs children need a great deal when it comes to meds, medical care, therapy, etc....If you can't afford insurance (and in this day and age....Who really can?) welfare is sometimes the only choice you have. To me...This is not misusing the system. Misusing the system is refusing to work when you are capable and having kids just so you get free money, housing and food. Jmho
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:59pm

I completely agree with you. I am sorry to hear about your husband. How is your son now? It is cases like thoes that make welfare a great thing and I believe that is why the system was set up. To help thoes who are truly in need.
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:06pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
i completely agree with you. I am sorry to hear about your husband. How is your son now? It is cases like thoes that make welfare a great thing and I believe that is why the system was set up. To help thoes who are truly in need.


thank you. My son is now 4 and doing tremendous. His originial diagnosis was that he would never possibly be more than a vegetable. He had an infection in the hospital which caused him to have nearly 100 strokes. Today he feeds himself, communicates through sign language, is learning to walk and hopefully will learn to talk. He understands everything he is told and he is the love of my life....(along with my other kids of course..Lol) yes...Without welfare...Even for a short time....We would have been in trouble. I do feel though that in many cases welfare is misused.
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:13pm

I am a huge supporter of sign language.
I am actually fluent in asl. I am glad to hear he is doing well. My mother teaches special education at the middle school level and I know that there is nothing more rewarding then seeing thoes kind of acheivments. Just the fact that you have communication with your son is such a blessing! I am signing off here in a little bit, driving from southern california to oklahoma tomarrow to see the in-laws. Trina I hope that .God will continue to bless you family as it seems he already has! Good luck with your son and I hope I will be able to speak to you again soon!

Vanessa
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:15pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
i am a huge supporter of sign language.

I am actually fluent in asl. I am glad to hear he is doing well. My mother teaches special education at the middle school level and I know that there is nothing more rewarding then seeing thoes kind of acheivments. Just the fact that you have communication with your son is such a blessing! I am signing off here in a little bit, driving from southern california to oklahoma tomarrow to see the in-laws. Trina I hope that .God will continue to bless you family as it seems he already has! Good luck with your son and I hope I will be able to speak to you again soon!


Vanessa


thank you. Have a wonderful trip. I am sure I will be here when you get back. Have fun.
Trina
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Posted: 06-16-05 21:19pm

Vanessa, you are very right in what you saidd , it is just that I cannot handle these welfare abuseers and lazy lifers that ddo not even try to go get off their butt's and pro-abort's and pro-death are very wrong and very immature, and I thank trina for summing up to it. Thanks again,
sincerely,
sandy
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