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steen
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:32pm
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And trina is back to lying. Opinions are
fine. Attacking and lying, and then
whining about being attacked back or being
called on lies, that's another story; more
examples of prolife lies and cowardess.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:36pm
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No problem! The only reason that she
said that I was defending all the pl was
because I happened to mention that I was
also prolife. It's ok though, I can be
more mature and ignore it. I respect
that people have there own opinions even
if I may disagree with them.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:37pm
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I have done none of thoes things.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm
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Also I don't generalize people into
groups. I believe every one is an
individual. I don't hate or even dislike
everyone is pro choice. That would be
discrimination.
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steen
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm
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I know you haven't. But trina has.
Many times.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:39pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | | i have done none of thoes
things. |
don't worry....Some people will say
anything for attention....Lol...I don't
think I need to name names. ;)
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steen
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:41pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | | also I don't generalize
people into groups. I believe every one
is an individual. I don't hate or even
dislike everyone is pro choice. That
would be
discrimination. |
so you agree that when
pl start making claims such as that pc are
"pro-aborts," they should tone it down
because they are spewing
misrepresentations, right?
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:45pm
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I do believe that not all prochoice are
all proabort. I think that a lot of
people who are pro choice just believe
that a women has the right to chose. My
best friend is pro choice. Now she would
never have an abortion but she believes a
women has the right to chose. Now once
again I don't agree with her. But I
respect her opinion because she can defend
her opinion and she feels strongly about
it.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:48pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | | i do believe that not all
prochoice are all proabort. I think
that a lot of people who are pro choice
just believe that a women has the right to
chose. My best friend is pro choice.
Now she would never have an abortion but
she believes a women has the right to
chose. Now once again I don't agree
with her. But I respect her opinion
because she can defend her opinion and she
feels strongly about
it. |
well...I have to admit that I did call a
couple on here pro-aborts....As in for
abortion. However you make a good
point...So I will refrain from that
terminology in the future. :)
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steen
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:48pm
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Vanessalouanne, thank you for that post.
Seems like there actually is then room
for a dialogue. I appreciate that.
What are your thoughts on trying to
prevent unwanted pregnancies through
better sex-ed and better, cheaper, more
available contraception?
And what are your views on better support
of pregnant women and new families rather
than "welfare reform" cuts to those
populations?
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:36pm
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Oh that is so frustrating! Sorry I just
wrote a very long post on my beliefs on
welfare, school sex ed and ect and it just
all deleted. That sucks. Ok well here
we go again and I apologize in advance for
an misspellings because I am going to type
quick. As far as sex ed I believe in
preaching abstinace. I am one of thoes
rare people who waited to have sex until I
was married. But I am not stupid and I
know that this is very unrealistic as far
as teens today. I can honestly say I do
not know one person besides my mother ( or
so she says ) who waited until thy were
married. Lol I believe that we need to
educate high schoolers on resorces that
they have. They need to know where they
can go to get contriceptives. I know
that many do not know all the things that
they can get for free at planned
parenthood. .. Ie condoms, birth
control, ect. I think we also need to
let them know the truth about
doctor/patient confedentuality. (i know
I butchered spelling that) I have read so
many posts from young girls saying that
they want to get on birth control but dont
ask there doctors about it because their
afraid that their parents will learn about
it. They need to know that its ok for
them to talk to their doctor. As for
welfare.. Well I know this could get me
lynched but I am a conservative
republican. But I do believe that in the
right cases welfare can be extreamly
effective and helpful. My sisters best
friend whom ive also concidered a sister
is on welfare and lives in a government
assisted apartment complex. She is a
dam.N good mother and works two jobs to
support her family. She is a single
mother and both kids are special needs.
Welfare in that case is a wonderful thing.
I think that our government (us) has
enough money in our welfare programs to
support thoes in simmilar cases. What I
do believe is that a lot of the money that
is put away is misused. I think it is
taken advantage of and that is we took a
closer look, we could help a lot of
families in need, and kick thoes off who
take advantage of the system. I believe
that health care costs are outragous.
But I also know that if you educate
yourself on what options are available to
you that you will be pleasently surprised.
I would love to know what you all
think on these issues. I love hearing
others opinions because I do listen to
them. I like to take things into
consideration. Im a hard person to budge
from there opinion but I will listen to
others arguments. Thanks guys
and again sorry about the horrible
spelling!
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trina1
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:50pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | oh that is so frustrating!
Sorry I just wrote a very long post on
my beliefs on welfare, school sex ed and
ect and it just all deleted. That
sucks. Ok well here we go again and I
apologize in advance for an misspellings
because I am going to type quick. As
far as sex ed I believe in preaching
abstinace. I am one of thoes rare
people who waited to have sex until I was
married. But I am not stupid and I
know that this is very unrealistic as far
as teens today. I can honestly say I
do not know one person besides my mother (
or so she says ) who waited until thy were
married. Lol I believe that we need to
educate high schoolers on resorces that
they have. They need to know where
they can go to get contriceptives. I
know that many do not know all the things
that they can get for free at planned
parenthood. .. Ie condoms, birth
control, ect. I think we also need to
let them know the truth about
doctor/patient confedentuality. (i
know I butchered spelling that) I have
read so many posts from young girls saying
that they want to get on birth control but
dont ask there doctors about it because
their afraid that their parents will learn
about it. They need to know that its
ok for them to talk to their doctor.
As for welfare.. Well I know this could
get me lynched but I am a conservative
republican. But I do believe that in
the right cases welfare can be extreamly
effective and helpful. My sisters best
friend whom ive also concidered a sister
is on welfare and lives in a government
assisted apartment complex. She is a
dam.N good mother and works two jobs to
support her family. She is a single
mother and both kids are special needs.
Welfare in that case is a wonderful
thing. I think that our government
(us) has enough money in our welfare
programs to support thoes in simmilar
cases. What I do believe is that a lot
of the money that is put away is misused.
I think it is taken advantage of and
that is we took a closer look, we could
help a lot of families in need, and kick
thoes off who take advantage of the
system. I believe that health care
costs are outragous. But I also know
that if you educate yourself on what
options are available to you that you will
be pleasently surprised. I would
love to know what you all think on these
issues. I love hearing others opinions
because I do listen to them. I like to
take things into consideration. Im a
hard person to budge from there opinion
but I will listen to others arguments.
Thanks guys
and again sorry about the horrible
spelling! |
as far as welfare goes...In the case of
your friend...That is completely
understandable. Both my son and my
nephew were born premature and had long
stays in nicu. Both my sister and I were
covered by insurance....But in both cases
the day our children were born....The
hospital social worker made us both sign
up for medicaid. They said it covered
our preemies for a year in case something
happened with our insurance. In both
cases we felt it unecessary...But since it
was hospital policy....We did it. In my
sisters case...It was never needed...In
mine however...It was. My son was in the
nicu for five months...And then five
months after he came home....My husband
died suddenly from an anuerysm. Our
insurance was through his work and had
been tremendous...As my sons bills had
racked up to nearly a million dollars
while he was hospitalized....However my
husband died at 9 a.M. And at midnight
that night....Our insurance was no longer
in affect. My son still had meds, drs.
Visits, etc and we had no insurance to
cover us. If we had not had that
medicaid....We would have been in trouble
until we were able to get another
insurance instated. Special needs
children need a great deal when it comes
to meds, medical care, therapy, etc....If
you can't afford insurance (and in this
day and age....Who really can?) welfare is
sometimes the only choice you have. To
me...This is not misusing the system.
Misusing the system is refusing to work
when you are capable and having kids just
so you get free money, housing and food.
Jmho
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 18:59pm
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I completely agree with you. I am sorry
to hear about your husband. How is your
son now? It is cases like thoes that
make welfare a great thing and I believe
that is why the system was set up. To
help thoes who are truly in need.
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trina1
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:06pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | | i completely agree with you.
I am sorry to hear about your husband.
How is your son now? It is cases like
thoes that make welfare a great thing and
I believe that is why the system was set
up. To help thoes who are truly in
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thank you. My son is now 4 and doing
tremendous. His originial diagnosis was
that he would never possibly be more than
a vegetable. He had an infection in the
hospital which caused him to have nearly
100 strokes. Today he feeds himself,
communicates through sign language, is
learning to walk and hopefully will learn
to talk. He understands everything he is
told and he is the love of my
life....(along with my other kids of
course..Lol) yes...Without welfare...Even
for a short time....We would have been in
trouble. I do feel though that in many
cases welfare is misused.
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vanessalouanne
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:13pm
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I am a huge supporter of sign language.
I am actually fluent in asl. I am glad
to hear he is doing well. My mother
teaches special education at the middle
school level and I know that there is
nothing more rewarding then seeing thoes
kind of acheivments. Just the fact that
you have communication with your son is
such a blessing! I am signing off here
in a little bit, driving from southern
california to oklahoma tomarrow to see the
in-laws. Trina I hope that .God will
continue to bless you family as it seems
he already has! Good luck with your son
and I hope I will be able to speak to you
again soon!
Vanessa
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trina1
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Posted: 06-16-05 19:15pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | i am a huge supporter of
sign language.
I am actually fluent in asl. I am glad
to hear he is doing well. My mother
teaches special education at the middle
school level and I know that there is
nothing more rewarding then seeing thoes
kind of acheivments. Just the fact that
you have communication with your son is
such a blessing! I am signing off here
in a little bit, driving from southern
california to oklahoma tomarrow to see the
in-laws. Trina I hope that .God will
continue to bless you family as it seems
he already has! Good luck with your son
and I hope I will be able to speak to you
again soon!
Vanessa |
thank you. Have a wonderful trip. I am
sure I will be here when you get back.
Have fun.
Trina
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sandyallen
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Posted: 06-16-05 21:19pm
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Vanessa, you are very right in what you
saidd , it is just that I cannot handle
these welfare abuseers and lazy lifers
that ddo not even try to go get off their
butt's and pro-abort's and pro-death are
very wrong and very immature, and I thank
trina for summing up to it. Thanks
again,
sincerely,
sandy
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