Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Re: White Babies Only..margaret Sanger Felt the Same Way Posted: 06-15-05 13:54pm
pcforme
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
wow...So young...So
angry....So wrong.
:?
yeah... Anyone fighting to support
their cause that you don't agree with must
be angry, young and wrong.
fool.
no...Anyone that talks and acts like you
do....Is angry, young, and wrong. It has
nothing to do with supporting a
cause....And everything to do with the way
you represent yourself on this and any
other board you "grace" with your
presence.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Re: White Babies Only..margaret Sanger Felt the Same Way Posted: 06-15-05 14:08pm
pcforme
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
no...Anyone that talks and
acts like you do....Is angry, young, and
wrong. It has nothing to do with
supporting a cause....And everything to do
with the way you represent yourself on
this and any other board you "grace" with
your
presence.
basically anyone that doesn't kiss your
a$$? Lmao. You don't deserve any
respect here or
elsewhere.
i never asked or expected anyone to kiss
anything. I merely expect others to act
as adults...Not immature children who name
call and bash anyone who doesn't agree
with them. This isn't a playground...So
grow up.
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msrosie
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Posted: 06-16-05 10:25am
I am constantly amazed - but maybe I
shouldn't be - at how many times stuff
like this is taken and quoted out of
context.
if you search for "margaret sanger and
eugenics" on google, you'll find reference
after reference (on some dubious-looking
web pages) to the birth-control pioneer's
supposed connections with nazism and a
desire to systematically exterminate
blacks through forced sterilization and
birth control. Much of the support comes
from passages sanger wrote in the early
and mid-1900s, which, when taken out of
the context in which she wrote them, do
sound pretty bad.
Take this one: "we do not want word to go
out that we want to exterminate the negro
population," from a letter from sanger to
another birth-control supporter. It's a
great sound bite-type quote for activists
looking to discredit the need for legal
abortion. But here's the context from
which that line is pulled:
it seems to me from my experience . .
. In north carolina, georgia, tennessee,
and texas, that while the colored negroes
have great respect for white doctors, they
can get closer to their own members and
more or less lay their cards on the table.
. . . They do not do this with the
white people, and if we can train the
negro doctor at the clinic, he can go
among them with enthusiasm and with
knowledge, which, I believe, will have
far-reaching results. . . . His work,
in my opinion, should be entirely with the
negro profession and the nurses, hospital,
social workers, as well as the county's
white doctors. His success will depend
upon his personality and his training by
us. The minister's work is also
important, and also he should be trained,
perhaps by the federation, as to our
ideals and the goal that we hope to reach.
We do not want word to go out that we
want to exterminate the negro population,
and the minister is the man who can
straighten out that idea if it ever occurs
(1939). (emphasis added.)
suddenly, the sentence isn't such a good
sound bite for the anti-choice crowd.
There's numerous other examples like this,
including a fabricated quote, "blacks,
soldiers, and jews are a menace to the
race," falsely attributed to a april 1933
letter sanger wrote in the birth control
review (she stopped editing the review in
1929, and the april 1933 issue contains no
letters from her.) a summary of margaret
sanger's ideas and how they're often
twisted can be found here. Another source
is the margaret sanger papers project at
nyu, a scholarly project to organize all
of sanger's writings.
As numerous members of the democratic and
republicans parties have said recently,
the goal of both sides of the abortion
debate is to reduce the need for abortions
by providing women with reliable birth
contol and education about sex and
reproduction. No one understood that
better than margaret sanger.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 17:04pm
msrosie
wrote:
i am constantly amazed - but
maybe I shouldn't be - at how many times
stuff like this is taken and quoted out of
context.
if you search for "margaret sanger and
eugenics" on google, you'll find reference
after reference (on some dubious-looking
web pages) to the birth-control pioneer's
supposed connections with nazism and a
desire to systematically exterminate
blacks through forced sterilization and
birth control. Much of the support comes
from passages sanger wrote in the early
and mid-1900s, which, when taken out of
the context in which she wrote them, do
sound pretty bad.
Take this one: "we do not want word to go
out that we want to exterminate the negro
population," from a letter from sanger to
another birth-control supporter. It's a
great sound bite-type quote for activists
looking to discredit the need for legal
abortion. But here's the context from
which that line is pulled:
it seems to me from my experience .
. . In north carolina, georgia,
tennessee, and texas, that while the
colored negroes have great respect for
white doctors, they can get closer to
their own members and more or less lay
their cards on the table. . . .
They do not do this with the white people,
and if we can train the negro doctor at
the clinic, he can go among them with
enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I
believe, will have far-reaching results.
. . . His work, in my opinion,
should be entirely with the negro
profession and the nurses, hospital,
social workers, as well as the county's
white doctors. His success will depend
upon his personality and his training by
us. The minister's work is also
important, and also he should be trained,
perhaps by the federation, as to our
ideals and the goal that we hope to reach.
We do not want word to go out that we
want to exterminate the negro population,
and the minister is the man who can
straighten out that idea if it ever occurs
(1939). (emphasis added.)
suddenly, the sentence isn't such a good
sound bite for the anti-choice crowd.
There's numerous other examples like this,
including a fabricated quote, "blacks,
soldiers, and jews are a menace to the
race," falsely attributed to a april 1933
letter sanger wrote in the birth control
review (she stopped editing the review in
1929, and the april 1933 issue contains no
letters from her.) a summary of margaret
sanger's ideas and how they're often
twisted can be found here. Another
source is the margaret sanger papers
project at nyu, a scholarly project to
organize all of sanger's writings.
As numerous members of the democratic and
republicans parties have said recently,
the goal of both sides of the abortion
debate is to reduce the need for abortions
by providing women with reliable birth
contol and education about sex and
reproduction. No one understood that
better than margaret
sanger.
ms rosie...Thanks so much for sharing your
opinion.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-16-05 17:14pm
Ah, the new pl mantra, demonstrating that
their lies are exposed and they have
nothing left to say on the topic to defend
their lies, misrepresentations and
deceptions. How lame and pathetic
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 17:19pm
steen
wrote:
ah, the new pl mantra,
demonstrating that their lies are exposed
and they have nothing left to say on the
topic to defend their lies,
misrepresentations and deceptions. How
lame and
pathetic
lol...Now notice that I am directing this
at you personally steen...And not all
pro-choicers. You are not happy when
names are being thrown around and insults
are flying (unless they are coming out of
your mouth...Or she who shall remain
nameless' mouth).....And now you are not
happy when people are polite. Lets face
it steen....You aren't happy that
pro-lifers even exist...Lol...Or maybe you
are just not happy that I exist.
Lol...The fact is....I do...And I am
allowed to have opinions of my own...They
don't have to agree with yours...And just
because they don't....Does not make them
lies. Now have a great day.:)
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-16-05 17:23pm
trina1
wrote:
lol...Now notice that I am
directing this at you personally
steen...And not all pro-choicers. You
are not happy when names are being thrown
around and insults are flying (unless they
are coming out of your mouth...Or she who
shall remain nameless' mouth).....And now
you are not happy when people are
polite.
i couldn't care less what
language you use. I do care to point out
the hypocricy of pl complaining about
language when they have been engaging in
it themselves. Such cowardness from
lying scumbag creep like you is just plain
pathetic.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 17:24pm
steen
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
lol...Now notice that I am
directing this at you personally
steen...And not all pro-choicers. You
are not happy when names are being thrown
around and insults are flying (unless they
are coming out of your mouth...Or she who
shall remain nameless' mouth).....And now
you are not happy when people are
polite.
i couldn't care less what
language you use. I do care to point
out the hypocricy of pl complaining about
language when they have been engaging in
it themselves. Such cowardness from
lying scumbag creep like you is just plain
pathetic.
i didn't deny that I stooped low. But I
said I wouldn't again...And I won't. But
again...Thanks for sharing your thoughts
on the matter.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-16-05 17:27pm
trina1
wrote:
i didn't deny that I stooped
low. But I said I wouldn't again...And I
won't.
so suddenly we have to
"forget" your personal attacks and lies
because you realized that it ends up
hurting you? What a lame loser you are.
Creep.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 17:28pm
steen
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
i didn't deny that I stooped
low. But I said I wouldn't again...And
I won't.
so suddenly we have to
"forget" your personal attacks and lies
because you realized that it ends up
hurting you? What a lame loser you are.
Creep.
if that is your opinion...Then once
again...You are entitled to it. :)
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-16-05 17:29pm
Yeah, as I expected. Just another pl
lying coward. Nothing new, just like all
the other pl lying cowards.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 17:31pm
steen
wrote:
yeah, as I expected. Just
another pl lying coward. Nothing new,
just like all the other pl lying
cowards.
okay...If that is what you think. Lol :)
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest