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trina1

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Re: White Babies Only..margaret Sanger Felt the Same Way
Posted: 06-15-05 13:54pm

pcforme wrote:
trina1 wrote:
wow...So young...So angry....So wrong. :?


yeah... Anyone fighting to support their cause that you don't agree with must be angry, young and wrong. fool.


no...Anyone that talks and acts like you do....Is angry, young, and wrong. It has nothing to do with supporting a cause....And everything to do with the way you represent yourself on this and any other board you "grace" with your presence.
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Re: White Babies Only..margaret Sanger Felt the Same Way
Posted: 06-15-05 14:08pm

pcforme wrote:
trina1 wrote:
no...Anyone that talks and acts like you do....Is angry, young, and wrong. It has nothing to do with supporting a cause....And everything to do with the way you represent yourself on this and any other board you "grace" with your presence.


basically anyone that doesn't kiss your a$$? Lmao. You don't deserve any respect here or elsewhere.


i never asked or expected anyone to kiss anything. I merely expect others to act as adults...Not immature children who name call and bash anyone who doesn't agree with them. This isn't a playground...So grow up.
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Posted: 06-16-05 10:25am

I am constantly amazed - but maybe I shouldn't be - at how many times stuff like this is taken and quoted out of context.


Http://www.Tompaine.Com /articles/20050614/urban_legends_of_the_ab ortion_debate.Php

if you search for "margaret sanger and eugenics" on google, you'll find reference after reference (on some dubious-looking web pages) to the birth-control pioneer's supposed connections with nazism and a desire to systematically exterminate blacks through forced sterilization and birth control. Much of the support comes from passages sanger wrote in the early and mid-1900s, which, when taken out of the context in which she wrote them, do sound pretty bad.

Take this one: "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population," from a letter from sanger to another birth-control supporter. It's a great sound bite-type quote for activists looking to discredit the need for legal abortion. But here's the context from which that line is pulled:

it seems to me from my experience . . . In north carolina, georgia, tennessee, and texas, that while the colored negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the county's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The minister's work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (1939). (emphasis added.)

suddenly, the sentence isn't such a good sound bite for the anti-choice crowd. There's numerous other examples like this, including a fabricated quote, "blacks, soldiers, and jews are a menace to the race," falsely attributed to a april 1933 letter sanger wrote in the birth control review (she stopped editing the review in 1929, and the april 1933 issue contains no letters from her.) a summary of margaret sanger's ideas and how they're often twisted can be found here. Another source is the margaret sanger papers project at nyu, a scholarly project to organize all of sanger's writings.

As numerous members of the democratic and republicans parties have said recently, the goal of both sides of the abortion debate is to reduce the need for abortions by providing women with reliable birth contol and education about sex and reproduction. No one understood that better than margaret sanger.
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trina1

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:04pm

msrosie wrote:
i am constantly amazed - but maybe I shouldn't be - at how many times stuff like this is taken and quoted out of context.



Http://www.Tompaine.Com /articles/20050614/urban_legends_of_the_ab ortion_debate.Php

if you search for "margaret sanger and eugenics" on google, you'll find reference after reference (on some dubious-looking web pages) to the birth-control pioneer's supposed connections with nazism and a desire to systematically exterminate blacks through forced sterilization and birth control. Much of the support comes from passages sanger wrote in the early and mid-1900s, which, when taken out of the context in which she wrote them, do sound pretty bad.


Take this one: "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population," from a letter from sanger to another birth-control supporter. It's a great sound bite-type quote for activists looking to discredit the need for legal abortion. But here's the context from which that line is pulled:

it seems to me from my experience . . . In north carolina, georgia, tennessee, and texas, that while the colored negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the county's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The minister's work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (1939). (emphasis added.)

suddenly, the sentence isn't such a good sound bite for the anti-choice crowd. There's numerous other examples like this, including a fabricated quote, "blacks, soldiers, and jews are a menace to the race," falsely attributed to a april 1933 letter sanger wrote in the birth control review (she stopped editing the review in 1929, and the april 1933 issue contains no letters from her.) a summary of margaret sanger's ideas and how they're often twisted can be found here. Another source is the margaret sanger papers project at nyu, a scholarly project to organize all of sanger's writings.


As numerous members of the democratic and republicans parties have said recently, the goal of both sides of the abortion debate is to reduce the need for abortions by providing women with reliable birth contol and education about sex and reproduction. No one understood that better than margaret sanger.


ms rosie...Thanks so much for sharing your opinion.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:14pm

Ah, the new pl mantra, demonstrating that their lies are exposed and they have nothing left to say on the topic to defend their lies, misrepresentations and deceptions. How lame and pathetic
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trina1

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:19pm

steen wrote:
ah, the new pl mantra, demonstrating that their lies are exposed and they have nothing left to say on the topic to defend their lies, misrepresentations and deceptions. How lame and pathetic


lol...Now notice that I am directing this at you personally steen...And not all pro-choicers. You are not happy when names are being thrown around and insults are flying (unless they are coming out of your mouth...Or she who shall remain nameless' mouth).....And now you are not happy when people are polite. Lets face it steen....You aren't happy that pro-lifers even exist...Lol...Or maybe you are just not happy that I exist. Lol...The fact is....I do...And I am allowed to have opinions of my own...They don't have to agree with yours...And just because they don't....Does not make them lies. Now have a great day.:)
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:23pm

trina1 wrote:
lol...Now notice that I am directing this at you personally steen...And not all pro-choicers. You are not happy when names are being thrown around and insults are flying (unless they are coming out of your mouth...Or she who shall remain nameless' mouth).....And now you are not happy when people are polite.
i couldn't care less what language you use. I do care to point out the hypocricy of pl complaining about language when they have been engaging in it themselves. Such cowardness from lying scumbag creep like you is just plain pathetic.
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trina1

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:24pm

steen wrote:
trina1 wrote:
lol...Now notice that I am directing this at you personally steen...And not all pro-choicers. You are not happy when names are being thrown around and insults are flying (unless they are coming out of your mouth...Or she who shall remain nameless' mouth).....And now you are not happy when people are polite.
i couldn't care less what language you use. I do care to point out the hypocricy of pl complaining about language when they have been engaging in it themselves. Such cowardness from lying scumbag creep like you is just plain pathetic.


i didn't deny that I stooped low. But I said I wouldn't again...And I won't. But again...Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter.
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:27pm

trina1 wrote:
i didn't deny that I stooped low. But I said I wouldn't again...And I won't.
so suddenly we have to "forget" your personal attacks and lies because you realized that it ends up hurting you? What a lame loser you are. Creep.
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trina1

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:28pm

steen wrote:
trina1 wrote:
i didn't deny that I stooped low. But I said I wouldn't again...And I won't.
so suddenly we have to "forget" your personal attacks and lies because you realized that it ends up hurting you? What a lame loser you are. Creep.


if that is your opinion...Then once again...You are entitled to it. :)
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:29pm

Yeah, as I expected. Just another pl lying coward. Nothing new, just like all the other pl lying cowards.
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trina1

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Posted: 06-16-05 17:31pm

steen wrote:
yeah, as I expected. Just another pl lying coward. Nothing new, just like all the other pl lying cowards.


okay...If that is what you think. Lol :)
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Posted: 06-16-05 17:32pm

:roll:
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